What's the best (non expensive) way to backup data ?

RAID6 and such are also simply for high robustness of your data vs. hardware failure and cheaply so.

Go with a QNAP + cloud backup and you'll be set.

A 2 bay QNAP costs $250 with RAID10
why would you ever deal with multiple external drives

You can also easily DIY this if you got Linux knowledge, either doing this cheaper or creating a NAS to go up to 6-8 drives for the same price.

My problem with homebrew solutions to a NAS is generally you'll have a form factor case which is much bigger than you need or have to drop 60-100 on a case. You'll need a mobo/CPU/ram either way too.

For 350 you can get a 4 bay QNAP.

There is no large problem dropping $60-100 on a nice cube case on a $250 computer [without drives] budget for a NAS since you can go with the typical onboard Intel Atom/Pentium AsRock or other boards. You'll stay within budget.

And if you go >6 drives I'll strongly suggest that maybe having a Node 804, Define R5 or something else or a cheap 2-4U Rackmount somewhere is less of a bother than paying $600 extra for the Synology / QNAP enterprise NAS gear. Even if it is perhaps a few cm bigger.

Example linkage to AsRock boards:
newegg.com/ASRock-Embedded-Solutions/BrandSubCat/ID-1944-446

Only with >6 drives you have to even consider upscaling to a Ryzen 2200G or something. I processing power won't be the issue unless it already is on the NAS box as well.

>For 350 you can get a 4 bay QNAP.

For that you could get a Fractal with 8 bays, a cheap intel board and a pentium or celeron. Then use OMV. Something with at least 8 PCIe lanes for an HBA card for 8 drives.

It only starts getting really expensive when you move into server grade stuff (supermicro boards with IPMI and multiple nics and shit), ECC memory and what not.

I've a 3U with a Supermicro board, E5-2660, HBA card, 128GB of RAM, 16 hot swap bays... cost me thousands (over a few years) to put together. But it does absolutely fucking everything I could want from a server.

The problem with those boards is lack of sata ports, and lack of PCIe lanes for an HBA card.

A Node case plus PSU is already $150. A cheap board is $50 and a pentium is $50. RAM is another $100. It's not worth the trouble unless you have most of the parts already lying around.

>The problem with those boards is lack of sata ports
It is no problem for 4-6 or 8 drives with no particularly high performance needs.

You got 4 SATA ports onboard [if you make sure to get such a board, they don't cost much either] and can add 2-4 more SATA ports on the PCI slot for $10/20 ish.

> It's not worth the trouble
For the price of a 2 bay NAS you get a 6-8 drive NAS [and in an expensive upgradeable case, too], how is that not worth it?

If you bought the 6-8 drive NAS you'd generally pay 3-4x as much, if not more. They're milking these.

I use Restic with B2 as the backend. $0.004$/GB/mo

First of all at $350 you are already at the price of a 4-bay NAS. Second, the bay size and price are not the only variables. Pre-made NAS are much smaller, use less energy, and just werk. They have other useful features like hot swappable bays, dual NIC, etc. Third, 8 drive NAS is not 3-4x as much, and if you need 8 bay NAS you are probably beyond the point of caring about the difference between $2000 and $700 for the NAS equipment.

I see
$0.005 for storage per month [so $50 per rented 10TB drive / month] plus $0.01 per GB downloaded [so $100 to download that 10TB drive]?

That's not at all cheap except for tiny quantities of data.

>encrypt
>put in google drive
huh, such a hassle

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is it worth investing in an ssd, are they more reliable than HDDs? 4TB is just fine for me.

>First of all at $350 you are already at the price of a 4-bay NAS.
Yea, and I said you can stay within $250 for a 6 bay NAS.

>Pre-made NAS are much smaller
Marginally smaller per drive, not actually much

> use less energy
No, not really. At 4 drives I have no problem putting a $10-15 or so Chinese PicoPSU clone on an onboard Atom board and use ~the same wattage.

At 8+ drives it's also not too tricky to fall within ~the same power consumption

> and just werk
Unless you're a retard Windows admin, that saves you around 20 minutes on the assembly of the NAS and 0.5-2h with setting up OMV or SuSe or Fedora or any Linux of your choosing.

The "just werks" on premade NAS does however not actually include easy access to borgbackup, duplicati, syncthing, ceph, moosefs or anything else a literate computer user might want to use. What you got "easily" installable is usually more what companies want to sell you and the NAS vendor's average-ish software. It's usually a multiple of the arsepain installing any software [and still getting updates later and so on] than on a self-built NAS.

>if you need 8 bay NAS you are probably beyond the point of caring about the difference between $2000 and $700 for the NAS equipment.
"Hurr, I got 8 drives and want 2 or so to add later so it doesn't even matter if I pay $2k instead of $400".

No, nobody says that.

Software raid is objectively the best nowadays. You're not relying on a card to keep operating, you're not relying on the configs in the OS, you're not even relying on the drives since the config for the drives are mirrored.
Software raid is basicaly; config isstored in each drive, so so long as you have enough drives to have data integrity, you can run it on any system.

No, they're not more reliable than HDD.

Reliability is done by having copies of data on *more drives*, RAID and backups.

You aren't betting on one drive being super reliable [not feasible], you are betting on not all drives with a data copy failing at the same time [very feasible].

>Marginally smaller per drive, not actually much
Actually a Qnap or Synology 4-Bay NAS is about 3rd of the size of a Node 304.

If your house floods or burns and you lose your data it's not backed up.

The Node 304 is a 6 drive NAS, so sure it's a bit larger. Nobody but people living in small by Tokyo standards hen pen for humans should have any problem to park even a midi tower though.

And you can of course still get a smaller 4 drive HTPC case or whatever else. Or stack Odroid HC2s or duct tape an Odroid XU4 / Rock64 to some 4 HDD USB HDD enclosure with UAS, or anything else.

DVDs
prove me wrong

>If your house floods or burns and you lose your data it's not backed up.
If the planet explodes, your data is not backed up

If the planet explodes, you're not backed up.

b-b-b-back that ass up

mega and usbs

Blu-rays exist

>2018
>still using optical media
Even consoles realize that it's useless outside of installations and usage as a physical drm key.

tapes

fpbp

I'm not saying Blu-rays are the best solution, I'm merely pointing out that DVDs aren't even the best choice in optical media

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if my house floods or burns i'd just kill myself desu so no loss

>60TB of hentai

Seek Professional Help

t. No backups pleb

Backups to another HDD. Full stop. Use an external and disconnect when done. Keep it in a fire safe if the data is really important to you. Anything less is not a backup.

That's 12TB. The compressed figure is for storing mostly text.

RAID is absolutely primarily for high availability. JBOD isn't RAID.

>2 bay
>RAID 10

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too poor to have a backup house with backup furniture and backup rape dungeon desu

How much data?

>How much data?
60GB

local data is backedup daily to to a raid1 nas
critical nas data is backed up to the cloud daily

>useless for periodic backups
>take up a large amount of physical space per terabyte

>backed up to the cloud daily

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Hmm I didnt think it would require 4 drives. In that case I'd just mirror them.