/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Any good? I'm fairly bad at this.
Ram is 16gb at 3000Mhz. Never really felt the need for SSD's so i'm only going HDD for now.

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So I just recently upgraded to a 1080ti during the 2000 hysteria for 500 USD. I was using an old HDTV as a monitor due to my room not having a proper desk, but I'm gonna remodel my room soon and was looking into some real monitors. I sorta wanna go the dual monitor route so that I can use borderless fullscreen and text chat with my friends while playing. I don't really wanna break more than 500USD on these and I don't care much for the 4K meme yet. What are some decent monitors? I'm leaning toward 1080p.

Why are all 1070 ti's (excluding FE editions due to cooler design) a bit hotter and more RAM hungry than a regular 1070s? I'm seeing close to 500mb of ram usage difference between the two models. There's 10% or so of FPS difference but sometimes there are significant temperature differences of 5+ degrees, as well. Why is that?

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>1440p 144hz HDR
$400
>4k 144hz HDR
>$800
How is the later cheaper?

>why does more powerful card draw more power
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Looking at 2 GPUs right now, Zotac AMP Extreme 1070 ti and Power Color Red Dragon RX-580. $350 and $200 respectively. What should I get for 1080p60hz gaming

Nvidia is known for power efficiency and I find it strange that all that additional power is transferred to heat instead of more frames. Here's another example:

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1ms. ONE damn millisecond difference. But it draws more power, hotter, and $100 more expensive.
I wish to break modern benchmarking so much.

>Nvidia is known for power efficiency
oh boy

>is known for power efficiency
if you first GPU was 970, sure.
hardware is not 100% efficient. more cores ->more temperature->not enough FPS increase
can't break physics,user

>who needs an i9?
Who needs a 2700X?
Same amount of cores and threads, but the i9-9900k is faster. It's good for people who render and edit videos, high res photographs, people who do animation, 3D work, and so on. Also it will shred everything besides skylake-x in gaming.

>CPU that's going to be at least 75% more expensive will perform better
Woah. Better factor in the cost of the LN2 pot as well.

Compared to RX GPU's that need undervolting to get Nvidia-tier temperatures, YES, Nvidia IS more power efficient.

Leaks say it's gonna go for 450. 9700K oc's to 5.5 on water so I doubt you'll need anything special to cool the i9.

That's quite some level of delusion. I'll be sure to screencap it for when reality bites.

user, only nvidia power to performance card that's worth the money is 1070, please do not buy anything else.

>Leaks say it's gonna go for 450
8700k just grew 20% in price. did you miss all the recent intel news?

Those are the only 2 cards worth buying anything else is completely retarded

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What's better for gaming and emulation, 8700k + RX 280 or 2600 + 1070 ti?

Stock 9900k faster than overclocked 2700X

The only thing stopping the 9900k are price and supply. If its $500+ and in scarce supply then its DOA. People upgrading on December and January will never touch Intel until they've seen what the Ryzen 3000 series can do

The 8th gen CPUs are spiking up in price due to shortages, even at a $450 starting price it can easily shoot up to $500 pretty easily if Week 1 supply is low

This isn't like the 8700k that sold out in the first week despite having a steady supply

Bump?

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for ps2? anything modern.
ps3 - 8700k is better as far as I know, ps3 not worth it yet though

for gaming no emulation 2600+1070.

>msrp

>t. shitter who didnt buy rx56 or gtx1070

Sure buddy

1070 for $380 is pretty retarded. You can regularly get Vega 56 for $385 which is on average something like 15-20% better.
They're only close in those very Nvidia favored games Nvidia told Shill Unboxed to test. As bad as their "review" is, because there is only so much you can shill those garbage RTX cards, it was far more favorable than more independent tests like Gamers Nexus.

>8700k @ 500€

Hory shirt.

that's not my usecase you waste of bandwidth

Why are americans so poor?

That's what I'm aiming for. I overpaid for a 1050 ti quite some time ago and was very pleased with it's performance. It hurt a little when I sold it a few months ago. I hope the 1070 will serve me well, as well.

Got a chance to take an Asus GTX 1060 Turbo 6GB refurbished for around 230$ with 1 year warranty.

Should i bite?

Why is everyone else so cucked.

Getting close to the final build.
Will get a deal on RAM and GPU.already have 2 SSD and a HDD.
Thoughts?

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damn euro prices are so high

Wtf is this mess

higher wages, higher taxes, higher cost of living, higher quality of life.

21% VAT included.

At the moment my gaming is split between R6:Siege and ARPGs like Path of Exile etc.
I notice that especially with siege i play on low settings except shadows and LOD and still get hiccups every now and then. I get FPS around 75 and when looking directly up i can get up to 120fps.
i would like to have the same fps with medium to high graphics. My budget is around 350euro and if there are upgrades which will sustain me for more than 2 years i go up to 500euro.
What do i need to change?

Motherboard: ASUS H81M - D PLus
CPU : Intel i7-4790K CPU @4.00 GHz, 40001 MHz
RAM: 16GB DDR3, 1600MHz
Graphics card: AMD Radeon R9 200 Series
Hardrove: Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB
Monitor: LENOVO L24q-10 23.8 Zoll QHD 60Hz 4ms reaction
Powersupply: be quiet! Straight Power 10 800W

probably the 8700k since it has better single core clock speed which is the most important thing for ps2 emulation but either would probably work great

am I retarded? plan on ocing the ram, computer will mostly be for extended periods of gaming, watching anime, and doing some school work. Excuse the prices, Cucknada will do that to a man.

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Buying 8700K at that price is just retarded, 2700X costs 319 euros from Amazon.de and you're also paying 69 euros for PC assembly, what the fuck user?

also nvidia gpus tend to work better in pcsx2 especially if it's a 1070ti vs rx280

From what I've read Path of Exile is a CPU hog. That old Intel might not be up to par.

best cpu for a lga 1155 socket?

>Asus

Asus ROG Strix 1080ti is rated the best 1080ti but that's a 2.5 slot card with 3 fans

Maybe I just got a particularly shitty M.2, but a $5 M.2 heatsink might come in handy.

I'm thinking of picking up a Ryzen 5 2600 but I'm abit worried about buying the motherboard.
I don't have any AMD CPU's and I don't know anyone with one, So if I need to update my bios I'm worried I'll be SOL
Is there anyway to confirm my mobo will work with the cpu?

Get a b450 board.

Buy 4xx mobo

My mate streams it on a fucking FX6300, that guy will be fine

I'm pretty sure this is fine but I just want to confirm
amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FQB4X3M/?tag=pcp0f-21
That'll work right?
Thanks so much guys!
That plus the 2600 comes up to £205 which is just about what I wanted to pay.

Is this okay?

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>Is this okay?
No.

are you going to elaborate?

Not him, post the pcpartpicker list url.

pcpartpicker.com/list/R3hpV6

de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NRDHnH
And 144 Hz, Freesync monitor for 199 EUR
nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZBZ2FT/aoc-monitor-g2460pf
PSU is 750W because it was only few euros pricier over 650W model.

You don't need more than 450W.

Guys what do you think about this build?

I'm going off the pcpartpicker list a guy made, it's the entry level of pc gaming for AMD:

CPU- AMD Ryzen 3 2200g
Mobo- ASRock B450M
Memory- G. skill ripjaws (2x4gb)
Storage- Hitachi Deskstar 7k200 2tb 7200 rpm
Video Card- MSI Geforce gtx 1050 ti
Case- Deepcool- tesseract
Power Supply- cooler master master watt 550w

Please don't tell me it sucks, if you guys do I will never make the final decision on buying a pc lol, I'm not the one that likes spending money on stuff, I don't make enough as it is.

It's 540 in total, what do you think?

I don't see any major issues, a 250gb hard drive might fill up pretty fast, do you have a SSD or HDD you are going to included. What is your target resolution?

I would strongly consider getting an SSD in addition to your HDD. going from HDD to SSD is night and s

Sorry, 550-600W

There's 10 EUR difference between 550W and 750W.

I have a 2TB HDD but probably going to buy another. 250GB for SSD is enough because for 10 years I only have 60-120.

That's not too bad for a 1070ti really. I'm running a 1070ti Aero I got on sale a few weeks back, and when I tested it on Ark, which is not gentle with a graphics card in the slightest, it wouldn't break past 76C.
Came from a 970 btw.
>blower
I already bought it intending to replace the cooler with a Raijintek Morpheus, or going custom loop altogether, so it wasn't just because it was on sale, I was actively searching for a reference PCB design.

what would be a cheap option that would fit in that build? the thread says to consider getting an expensive ssd so thats a bummer.

pcpartpicker.com/list/9fghYT
what do you think?
i accept cases recomendations also.

Wait for Coffee Lake + Z390 boards to launch in 3-4 weeks .
Otherwise:
1. Overpaying for fast RAM which doesn't affect Intel CPUs performance like Ryzen
2. NVMe PCI-e SSDs look good in synthetic benchmarks but have marginal performance benefits in real-world applications over standard SATA SSDs
3. Slightly overpaying for the PSU at that wattage

Here's my modification:
pcpartpicker.com/list/Nh6zHh
Cases are a bit subjective, but with the cost savings I can bump you up to GTX 1080 and nearly double your SSD boot drive capacity with money to spare. Could probably get a used GTX 1080 Ti for the same price.
It's $1300 w/GTX 1070 and you could upgrade to a good 2560x1440 144Hz monitor instead with the money saved:
ebay.com/itm/US-Mbest-MB279QR144-QHD-2560x1440-144Hz-AMD-FreeSync-27-Gaming-Monitor/223004541375

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>intlel
No

Why 2200gay when you have a gpu? Get an i3.

watercooling is a meme

Thanks user, not sure if I can trust those SSD and RAM manufacturers since I always go by well-knowns.
I will use the rest of your build and recommendations, thanks.

Where's the gpu?

>Raijintek Morpheus
I assume you know a bit about that. I was also planning on using that. Can I just slap 2 noctua fans on it or do they have to be some special compatible fans?

>paying extra for shitty insecure knock-off SMT that doesn't work
>trying to cool a piece of molten metal with a little 212 Evo
>shit ass board that couldn't even overclock an 8350k, let alone 6 cores.
The worst z370 board you could have chosen, as far as I'm aware. I don't believe that board can even run the 8700k stock with MCE enabled without VRM throttling, if even stock if your setup doesn't have good airflow.
>NVMe for gayming
>paying almost what Vega56 or 1070Ti costs for a 1070 non-Ti
>not the Meshify C
>$70 for a 650W gold rated PSU
>Better price:performance RAM options, but you know the name Corsair so you chose it
There is not a single thing right with this build.
Every single item you chose is at best substandard, and at worst worse than I could have done if I were intentionally trying to pick the worst possible component for the slot.
At least you didn't choose 2400MHz RAM, so it could be worse.

i know, but i already have it so better make use of it
forgot to say, i already have a 1070, thats why is not in the build

Your PSU will be slightly less efficient if under 50% load. With that system you'll get up to around 450W on max load if I am not mistaken(95W CPU and 300W GPU and 40-60W with Mobo and others).

It's not until around 5-15% load that the PSU efficiency drops off notably, depending on model.
You being really misleading even if you did say "slightly".

Then you're gucci

yeah ive heard theres no purpose in gettng a apu+gpu together, care to explain why though?

It still affects the performance, you should never get 2133 MHz RAM considering it's a very slight price increase.

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AM4 and overclocking is the reason why.

Also afaik, some games can use the APU for async compute even with a dGPU.

TPU is shit and does GPU bottlenecked benchmarks.

Pretty significant with ryzen

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They used GTX 1080 for this.

Nope, any standard height 120mm fans will do.
Best part though is that the 1070ti uses the usual Mini 4pin connector for the factory fan, so with a Mini to Standard 4pin adapter and a splitter I can still have the GPU control the fans. My previous 970 otoh used a proprietary 6pin one.
Assuming it doesn't overdraw current of course. My advice is check how much amperage the stock fan(s) draw (their back sticker should say it) and plan your fans around it. In a previous 760 I had I modded in two Arctic F9's that actually had lower Amp draw than the smaller factory fans.

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On idle, with 750W he'll hit 5-15% load.

Yes, that is true. So you didn't articulate that well as you basically said "slightly lower under 50% load"
Yes, that build should have a 550W PSU at most. 450 would be fine.

>2080 better perf per dollar than 1080ti
literally every benchmark ive seen puts them virtually identical, and the 2080 costs $100-200 more

Yeah, definitely-not-a-shill Steve followed Nvidia's """"""review guide"""" very closely. Great guy. Not a clickbait hack at all.

you can get an SSD for fairly cheap these days ( $80 or so for about 500gb ) and it's worth every penny you spend in terms of boot time and load time.