All right, serious question here. Why is no one on Jow Forums showing any enthusiasm for the latest nvidia gen...

1. Jow Forums likes an underdog, but no one can actually cheer on AMD right now. Watching nvidia kick their ass without even seeming to try is fucking stale.
2. The 1080Ti runs 4K at _exactly_ the same speed as the 2080, but for 2/3rds the price.
Since nothing actually runs RTX, this means anyone buying a 2080 is probably functionally retarded.
Since the 1080Ti runs 4K just fine, there isn't really any point to buying a 2080Ti right now, aside from dick-measuring rights. If you have that much money, and really don't give a fuck how stupid you look, yeah, you can get one, but if you really don't give a fuck about the money buy a Quatro or Titan V.

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Cuz i don't like novideo as a company

Ray tracing will be interesting in rendering programs like 3ds max. Just not in games.

As a 1080 ti owner I don't need upgrades for a couple of years. You can't even use the advertised rt since there is no content yet.

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Too many kvetchers around here OP.

I was holding out for the next gen of cards to drive 1440p. The 2080ti is too expensive, I couldn't justify that kind of spend as a casual gamer. The 2080 just matches the performance of the 1080ti and is about $200 more. I picked up a 1080ti instead and I can make a few other system upgrades with the money I didn't spend on a 2080.

If it works as it's supposed to, and doesn't significantly degrade the experience, it may make some games visually more interesting. But it is a fucking developer tool, and telling users to get excited for it would be like Intel telling users to get excited about a dedicated AES module on the processor. Yes, it will be useful. No, the end user does not give a fuck.
The NVLink feature is probably more interesting than RTX ever will be, since it might allow additional resources to act as a pool, instead of struggling to timeshare. Good money nvidia doesn't do anything useful with that possibility.

this. i got an aorus 1080ti for $520, and when i upgrade the rest i should still come out well below the cost of the 2080ti

tl:dr
The best thing about the 2080/Ti release is what it did for the used 1080Ti market.

It's good, but it's not good enough that the hype alone can sustain itself. You need the people from the other side showing the 1 or 2 instances where their card ekes out a 2-3 frame win along with a watts/$ chart that no one has ever used to buy a card, topped off with some clearly delusional beliefs about how their drivers will age their boxed wine into the house red.

Snap - however I paid a bit more £630. Nice card the latest software on the gigabyte site is broke, get the 1.38 release of the control panel it works well.

I see /v/ has discovered the easiest way to trigger Jow Forums

Cards were never this expensive in the past. I paid $650 Can for a 6800GT in the mid 2000 and a similar price for my 8800GTS. from that point on prices began to slowly rise over the years until the last few generations when they suddenly jumped to more than double the previous price point. A brand new 2080 should be $700. That's all it is worth. The 2070 Should be $600 and the 2060 $400. I paid $550 for my 390 when it came out and was wondering how bad i was going to be screwed this gen as I wanted to upgrade, Seeing $1200 for a 2080 however means im going to be looking at $1000 for a 2070. I'd rather abandon the hobby than knowingly get ripped off.

whats wrong with the online software? i think i installed the aorus engine off the disc that came with it, not sure of the version. it seems to work

Because it's expensive and the overhyped RTX technology doesn't deliver acceptable performance.

this so much

749 for a GPU is expensive as well, i don t see people bashing the 1080ti. there is a right price for everything. and 1200 for the 2080ti is not a right price .

Got a 1080ti on a 144hz 1440p screen.
Why should I upgrade?

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3 am and I'm here answering to a shill, well I'm in pain so whatever, let's get on with it.
>All right, serious question here.
Riiiight.
>Why is no one on Jow Forums showing any enthusiasm for the latest nvidia gen?
Because Jow Forums doesn't really give a fuck about sales pitch, and RTX is just that.
>Is it expensive?
Yes. Disproportionately so.
>Well, yes it is, but Nvidia cards were never cheap.
Wrong. Comparatively to the previous generation nvidia always offered more performance for lower prices, up until the 10 series and the mining bubble. They upshifted the naming convention to carry over the previous prices without providing actual performance increase; if we mentally downshift the naming, then performance increases and card names start making sense, and if they were priced as per pre-founders-edition custom, then we'd have a generation of cards worth buying.
>Also, it brings great performance and new tech
This is true, but it's the usual sales pitch, the one Apple uses every time: MUH FASTEST EVER. No shit faggot, you can't release something worse than the previous generation, so it's obviously going to be better than before, and then apply the transitive property of inequalities. The point is: how much better is this new thing going to be at what price?
>so why is no one here or on /v/ even remotely interested in it?
Because the whole sales pitch was based on a new technology that isn't implemented yet and that almost nobody had the chance to put his hands on, so the target users basically won't benefit from it significantly in the lifetime of the product.

So you can experience RTX 1080p@30fps medium settings

I'm mildly interested to replace 2x1080 however even paying 400$ after sells it's still fucking lot of money

1. The difference between the 1080 Ti and 2080 is marginal.
2. The 2080 Ti hasn't made it to the hands of the customers yet and they are still out of stock.
3. The 2080 Ti is well out of the price range most people are willing to pay.
That's the best and most neutral response I have. I plan on buying a 2080 Ti for 165hz gaming. They are not in stock anywhere.

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i'm excited because my bro will give me his gtx 1080 to justify his purchase of 2080 ti with his wife

RTX is not actual ray tracing.

Nobody is going to main Windows 10 for raytracing, and devs are going to ignore DX12 as much as they always do because of this fact, Nvidia's just doing what AMD did and is paying for some launch eye-candy in games that will mostly be used in DX11 mode

A big part of the price pay for the RTX technology
Which is probably the future, but wont be relevant before a year atleast

If you look purely at performance per cost it's not a very good deal

Because the only way this is worth getting is if you are gaming at 4k 144Hz, most people are gaming at 2k 144hz or 1080 at 144hz, which the improvement between the 1080Ti and the 2080 RTX is under 20 FPS, but costs about 100 bucks more then a 1080ti The only benifit that the RTX has, is that its scaling from waht i have been reading is really good, like 60%+ with SLI, but you then need to drop close to 2k on them. So again pointless
On top of that, RayTracing is pretty much DoA, only games that have is are Cyberpunk which is god knows how long out, BF5 which is going to be crap/doa, and Tomb raider, which still does not have it.

Let me clear things up with the naming thing, let's take for instance
>GTX 680
>MSRP $500
>GTX 770
>Msrp $400
>770 performed comparably if not slightly better than the 680
>same performance or higher for lower affordabls price

>GTX 780Ti
>MSRP $700
>TDP 250W
>GTX 980
>MSRP $550
>TDP 165W
>again similar performance or higher for lower price and in this case even lower power consumption

Nvidia before Pascal used to give the same performance of the previous generation at a market tier lower in the newer generation, meaning any given level of performance costs around $100 less each new generation.
What they did now is the inverse: any given level of performance costs around $100 more, just for the privilege of coming with some bullshit that you have no way of knowing if and how it will work. As I said, if they kept using the Ti badge to denominate the stopgap card between each generation, this issue wouldn't exist:
>if the RTX 2080 Ti was called RTX 2080
>if the RTX 2080 was called RTX 2070
>and they were priced accordingly to their name
>they'd offer the same performance of a higher tier card of the previous generation
>for the same price of the previous generation, which is questionably acceptable

how does it differ?

Hard to disagree.

I hope their stock collapses, fucking greedy kikes

23% at 1440p
31% at 4K

It's not with it because of the unbalanced price bump. Plus it will be replaced next year or two with 7nm

>with
worth

Maybe if the 2080 Ti were about $300 cheaper, I'd get it. I think I'll just wait until the RX 600 series comes out. Better bang for the buck on the midrange end.

That or whatever the next high-end GPU is going to be from AMD.

Do you think the RX600 will be about to push 60Hz at 4K?

What happened is that the crypto GPU price hike made nvidia realised that gamers will actually pay $1k+ for a gaming GPU. +AMD being a fullcuck now they are raising the price.

I don't care very much because I don't play FPS or AAA games anymore or if i do i just put down the graphics option, and new GPU means i can scoop up a last gen GPU for cheap. But this trend means a general price increase for GPU going forward. Which is bad for everybody.

It's probably good for nvidia though. I should buy some nvidia.

Price/performance ratio is abysmal and that is all that matters.

>Also, it brings great performance and new tech

It brings performance OR the new tech.
You can either play 4k OR play 1080p 40 fps with RTX.
That's the big flaw of this generation. They spent fuckload of chip space on this RTX feature and it doesn't even deliver 1080p 60 fps, literally unplayable.

I own a 1080ti and rtx looks like meme tier shit. no interest at all to upgrade and get jewed in the process

Only raytraces select few effects, not everything.

It's just not that exciting.

I might drink the Kool aid and get a 2080.

If DLSS upscaling really does look as good as native rendering and is widely supported I may get a reference model in a couple months.

If I wait two months and it turns out to be too gimmicky I'll probably just get a 1080 and wait another year.

>If
wait for board partner cards to be available at more "reasonable" prices.

Because GPU prices just came down from the Crypto mining and Jewvidia doesn't want it to end.

Right because I totally care about the better shadowing support for all the 3 games that support the new card.

I got a 1080ti and feel like it was an utter waste of money. So, yeah. I'll probably get one

imagine being this retarded

Everyone loves RTX, it's simply the world's fastest & most power efficient GPU

All the haters are just AYYMDPOORFAGS that can never afford the best things in life because they're lazy fucks that live in their mother's basement

Spending $1,200 is still better than spending thousands of dollars on cars or motorcycle accessories

The problem is if no one adopts RTX, then developers won't use it. It's a Catch 22. You won't get support for a new technology unless there's mass adoption

I would feel that way if I bought it 7 months ago.

I'd also feel that way if I had one and didn't sell it then as well.

Mostly I feel stupid for buying one and then just not playing very many games in the last year. It's not about the money, it's about my refusal to accept that I've grown out of games

1. it's not worth upgrading from 1070 for 1440p yet.
2. $1300 for a videocard that will get replaced in ~2 years is a bit irresponsible.
3. RTX feature presentation was a marketing failure, even GN gave them shit for it.

Should I buy a 1080 ti instead?

here is why it worked with Gf3: ATI did it first. it was tech for everyone.
RTX is proprietary, expensive and won't be used on consoles.

2deep

If you want to play on 4k.

>even GN gave them shit for it
GN giving companies shit is taken for granted.
Linus TT gave them shit for it, which is way more telling.

As if ATI is even in the game anymore
They'll make some freesync version of it for the PS5 Portable

Price never scaled with performance before, so why should we pretend it's okay this time?

>as if AMD CPUs would ever sell anymore
said everyone and their grandma in 2011.

>all metrics based on raytracing (admittedly incredible shadows) which has virtually no titles at the moment
>by the time the games are out the 2080 will be old news

I thought so too but then I started delving into 00s games I never played and have a fucking blast. That's when I realized it's just nugames being shit.

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also when you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have raytracing?

as someone who has been pc gaming since the 90's , gpu's are nothing to get hype about , gpu's each gen back then were like 100% to 200% better , while enabling new technologys to make the games look much better , like 3DFX

stop kvetching and just turn over those shekels

Because I dont support companies I don't like.

Because they are tightening their vices and become pretty much Intel. Pascal was their Sandy Bridge IMO so now we have Turing which is the equivalent of Ivy Bridge where Intel started being cheap with not soldering their IHS, raising the prices, and offering mediocre gains in performance. Nvidia, while they didn't cheapen their build materials, definitely executed the raising prices and offering too little performance much better than Intel did.

The only way to have a good market again is if AMD pulls off another Ryzen miracle in the GPU market but that is very unlikely to happen with Navi. Maybe the generation after will be but then again, we'll need to see. In the meanwhile, I expect to see more of the same from Nvidia as long as the performance gap remains.

because most people on Jow Forums uses linux and nvidia drivers sucks on linux.
get out faggot

>no rtx games
>/v/ not interested

Well no fucking shit

Why would a Smash Brothers board be interested in GPUs?

>Pascal was their Sandy Bridge
nah, that's maxwell
pascal is haswell at best.

Well then it sounds like dropping a mint on an RTX would be good sense for you.

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Because nvidia rushed it Nd games with the tech are months to years away if that
$1200+ is titan v xp money and it isn't even as good as those cards either it's just. Absolutely failure to launch mess
Nvidia won't $1500aud for a 2080 as well the 1080 and 980ti where only around $500-900 at worst so this is nuts
Nothing stopping anyone from getting a cheap 1080ti either
Cunts say that oooh nvidia will do the price they just wunna force us into buying pascal stock BULLSHIT they ant these $1000usd cards to be the new gold standard and as a 1080 owner myself it's just not worth it no it's not because I'm poor it's that rtx is literally useless right now and never buy a first gen card
7nm is already here as well so if you already have. High end card it makes sense to wait.
Besides the 2070 being $500-599usd is ajoke it used to be a $2xx card for the 70 series
They can't take a flying leap they don't even have enough confidence in the tech to put out a rtx 2060 or lower instead they are feature set segmenting their own fucking gpu lineup
Never thought I'd see nvidia compete with itself and lose customers in the process but there you go.
Now fuck off shill there is nothing wrong with skipping crap cards like rtx 2080ti and especially 2080 2070 which are more often then not slower hotter and more expensive then the cards they replace.
Nvidia couldn't even be fucked making a playable first party deal demo and won't even give hard dates when rtx is actually coming out that's how wonky and rushed this launch is you'd have to be a moron to buy one of these let alone pre order or worse buy a aib card at inflated prices

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"RTX" is a just a backend for DXR, and DXR is for "everyone".

DXR effects are most likely going to be "toggle" style options for quite some time but they're also most likely going to be implemented into all the big engines as a standard options, so don't expect them to be sparse.

Something to remember, for the various uses it's being looked at (Shadows, Reflections, AO, GI) RT is inherently easier/simpler to implement and work with compared the mess of techniques currently in use.

Unless Navi manages to have RT hardware, yes, consoles aren't going to have real time hybrid ray tracing like DXR. Then again unless Navi completely knocks it out of the park performance-wise, next generation consoles are going to compare even worse than normal to PC hardware at launch and the inevitable comparisons made to games with DXR is just going to make it that much worse.

If only based Scatman could sink shill threads like this one into the 11th page...

because its shit

%30 gains for a hundred percent power draw at three times the price is pissing off normies like a firestorm user that's what.
the only people buying these are miners and rich people other people either can't afford it or can't afford the running costs.

not everyone lives in the USA and is rich good user.

because i game at 1080p and this is overpriced shit i neither want nor need

>but Nvidia cards were never cheap

But this is a whole new level of not cheap.

Most of Jow Forums uses Linux...
Nvidia Linux drivers are...less then optimal.

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Most people still game on 1920x1080 or even 1366x768.

Hell yea dude! Fuck buying a house and cars. Lets just live in my PC tower its $2500

Most people game at 1080p, realistically speaking almost everyone has a 1080/60 monitor.
"hardcore" gamers will have 1080/144hz
rich people will have 1440, 4k or 1440/144hz, rich people don't give a shit and will buy whatever is top of the line anyway

A 1070 is overkill for the average person, why the FUCK would they care about a 2080ti for $1300 or something stupid. It's completely insanely overkill for 99.9% of people.

It's not just expensive. It's way too expensive and it's continuing the trend of flagship GPU prices going up year-on-year.

They continue to test the waters and retards like you continue to confirm to them consumers are willing to pay higher and higher prices. Same fucking story with flagship Apple and Samsung phones.

Don't just justify it away. That kind of attitude is why the mean price keeps going up.

On a personal note I just don't buy flagship GPUs anymore. The depreciation is insane versus just buying a $200 card. I'm running an RX480 now and it plays fucking everything. Oh no! I need to turn down a setting here and there on Witcher 3. I'm still playing the game at 1600p no problems.

I did. $500 used. I had a 2080 on preorder for $932. I saved over $400, but no ray tracing :(

Probably not, from what I have read it will outperform a 1080 for the price of a 3GB 1060.

>Buying beta testing gen cards.

Good one, Nvidia. Not following for that shit. DLSS and ray tracing isnt even out yet.

Because the performance on the dollar didn’t budge.
If anything, it fucking dropped.
Why would i buy at such garbage prices ?

>Entirely marketed around a single raytracing gimmick

>~25% performance increase
>50% price increase

>25% performance imrpovement turns to -25% with raytracing on