What's your bail-out OS?

I'm not leaving Gentoo, portage is a god-level software, I can't see myself using a pre-compiled, binary package manager ever again

No, I mean really.

It runs everything at 90% native performance now.
youtube.com/watch?v=y332ilSEI7k
imgur.com/a/b2Oh83n

This graph is already outdated and the minimums are performing better with the new state cache in DXVK version 0.8

>Windows 7 going end-of-life
Doesn't matter unless you're in business/government
>Incompatible with modern hardware
Like what?

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Urbit

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IIRC you cant install it with the new processors since it doesnt include the USB drivers needed for keyboard input.

Enjoy your 2 characters per minute.

>usb keyboard
there are still brand new motherboards being sold right now with PS/2 ports forgoing the need for usb for input

"it runs everything at 90% native performance"
is not the same as
"everything it runs runs at 90% native performance"
until wine works with heavy toolkits like Visual Studio or Android Studio you will have to use windows at least in a VM, those toolkits are just too valuable
but now I realize other than Paint.NET all my other programs have native linux ports or better alternatives.

Well I guess those would be the exception, but not many people will just buy a new mobo for win7.
Also, I think there was something else as well aside the usb driver issue.

>Android Studio
What? That's based on IDEA, it runs natively on Linux. Why would you try to run it in wine

If need be you can always just inject the USB drivers into the install media but there shouldn't really be any outstanding issues as long as intel provides drivers

Android studio is native to linux, though.

Visual Studio is a tough one to crack but when it comes down to it I do think the general GNU terminal only method of addressing your code is a hell of a lot more efficient, easier to read, and compile for whatever platform you want, as well as submitting code in a bite sized commit format to git.

I wish this meme would stay and die on Facebook where it belongs.

>Linux about to have a massive drop in code quality
What did they mean by this?

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If these are your concerns, you should:
Move all your data to open formats: PNG, LaTeX, HTML or text, etc.
Install and learn NetBSD. It's the only thing that runs on basically any computer built since before the Berlin Wall fell.
Move all your data to your /home directory on your comfy new NetBSD box. Backup regularly.

user, everybody uses git. In fact, Visual Studio is very well integrated with git.
But also everybody uses an IDE. You sound like you have never worked on a project longer than 100 lines of code. Stepping through your code using gdb on a terminal emulator is not an option.
>inb4 I don't have bugs in my code
Bullshit.

System d being 2 million lines of alphabet agency unaudited code with dependencies you can't get rid of

It confuses me how people talk about Visual Studio like it's some miracle. It seemed like a pretty mediocre IDE when I tried it. The biggest issue I had is that it wanted to represent its entire file tree in its project files and required you to manually "add" files. As a result if the FS changed at all outside of VS it would shit the bed in really bizarre ways. IDE functionality was fine but Jetbrains stuff does more. Maybe it's improved now but I was not impressed desu.

I'm sure it's wonderful for making Windows desktop apps but that seems like a shrinking market these days. Except for games but what kind of dev falls for the game industry meme

i didn't know about android studio, that's nice

but visual studio just has so many nice features... nuget package manager, great autocomplete, great code folding, great debugger, variable renaming. Also does JetBrains do C++? And is JetBrains free like VS?

but I understand and I'm porting one of my projects to linux right now and making my own package manager that essentially does a bunch of git clones into a packages folder then creates a string including all the include directories and linker parameters for GCC that would get concatenated onto whatever your initial invocation is

VS even went as far as suggesting what #includes I was missing. I dunno if the JetBrains one does that. But anyways, you are pretty much comparing the IDE that's considered the best in the industry with the one that's considered the second best. That doesn't say anything too bad about VS.

>nuget package manager, great autocomplete, great code folding, great debugger, variable renaming

Yes to pretty much all of that (maybe not package manager, but that's not an IDE's job desu). Speaking for their Java IDE at least it has absurd amount of refactoring and code analysis tools, plus lots of inline code visualization and style help. It's top stuff. But that's their thing, I believe they made Resharper for VS as well.

Not sure about C++, I know they have surprisingly good IDEs for dynamic langs like Python, Ruby, etc. The Java IDE is very capable in the free version. I'm pretty sure Android Studio is based on it. I wouldn't be surprised if VS might still be ahead for C++ though.

>Linus """"""""""""taking a break""""""""""""
>Not having a drop in quality

Pick one

Yeah. I'm looking forward to replacing it all with Vim Plugins™. I think the debugger is the only really important thing I'll miss

Does an IDE really make that much of a difference? Lucid went out of business trying to make an emacs-based IDE.
I can't help but suspect all IDEs are trojans for whatever hobbyhorse the IDE was built for.

Don't let the Jow Forums rage worry you.

Same. I just finished a new build and was umming and erring about what os to install as I fancied trying something new. But as I looked at the options nothing appealed to me. So I stuck with Gentoo. Portage is love.

>Portage
>All Gentoo installations come with Portage. Like all data, there is a possibility Portage can become corrupted or even uninstalled, which is very bad. If this is the case there are ways Portage can be recovered, however Portage re-installation can be quite a hassle. It becomes a work of manual labor: installing a package manager without a package manager.
>god-tier

This. As much as I love linux, I fully support pulling the code contributions. It does suck that this happened just as wine was starting to get really good. So, how long does everyone think it will take for a linux kernal alternative to crop up? Because I don't expect FreeBSD to be the alternative, if it were it probably would have done so before now.

>Visual Studio
Yikes.
>Android Studio
Runs natively in Linux.

You don't program. Time to stop larping.

rent-free

Hackintosh.

Maybe not if you are familiar with gdb's syntax, but then you're limited to C and you'll have to learn another debugger's syntax again if you want to switch languages. All that learning time could be better spent learning the actual language and just actually writing code.
>I can't help but suspect all IDEs are trojans for whatever hobbyhorse the IDE was built for.
Dunno what you're talking about, there's an IDE for pretty much any language you can think about.

>Dunno what you're talking about
Don't feel bad, he doesn't either.

win 8 still runs for a couple years, I will see what has proven itself then.

>Dunno what you're talking about, there's an IDE for pretty much any language you can think about.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. IDEs make marginal programmers productive without repercussion.
You should feel stupid now.

>You should feel stupid now.
>>I can't help but suspect all IDEs are trojans for whatever hobbyhorse the IDE was built for.
Not really. I don't even think you knew what your word soup actually meant.

>shit souls 3
no thanks senpai

>Integrated Development Environment
Who Integrated it, Developing for what, in what Environment?
Try again, CIA nigger.

Is this some kind of new shitposting?

All I'm saying is that an IDE probably has a bias. Probably for the environment it was built for.

>this environment heavily favors the tool(s) it was custom designed to be used with
How did we ever hope to understand technology before you came along?

>incompatible with modern hardware

OP keeps pulling massive turds out of his stretched asshole

In what way is he wrong?

I kinda see what you mean. But you can use autotools or whatever build system you want with IDEs. Portability is more about what OS APIs you use.

I'm currently running a fully updated Windows 7 build with a 8600k, 32gb of DDR4 3600 ram, a m.2 1TB SSD and a 1080ti. The system is running as good or even better than Windows 10 or any Linux flavour distro.

Explain to me in what way is Windows 7 incompatible with modern hardware?

So what you're saying is that there isn't any new hardware out there that Windows 7 can't run?

You probably couldn't, without an IDE. That's the point, chuckletrousers.

Programming is hard, but it's quite a lot easier if you can copy-paste.

The burden of proof rests on you buddy, show me.

Proof of what? I didn't make any claims. I'm asking you if Windows 7 can run all new hardware.

>Programming is hard
The fact that you think this explains a lot. Carry on.

IDEA is superior to VisualStudio (it's not even a studio)

Yes, you can even run Windows 7 on the latest ayymd cuckrippers.

>Programming is not hard
And, thus, a legion of H1Bs take your job.
Do you retaliate? Choose
(Yes) or (No)

>running Windows on threadrippers
Brain-dead idiot, enjoy your 30% performance loss.

Linux is going to be fine - i hope. If there ARE massive drops in quality and stability i expect it to be widely published.

Most distributions, DEs, etc. are pleasing to look at, usable on a daily basis and supported. It just needs a little bit more mainstream support and maybe we'll see Linux PCs in best buy.

You sound like some video game. You're weird.

Just because someone can doesn't mean they will you fucking brainlet negroid.

Linux quality means jack shit, distro's quality is more important.

Sorry for being witty, interesting and relevant all at once in a way you cannot process.

Practice smiling into a mirror with a good friend.

Yeah, man. Sorry. Please don't stab me with your +1 long sword or whatever.

Try smiling with teeth.

Yeah, I'll do that. Thanks.

You're one of those insufferable people who can't speak without being as needlessly verbose and cryptic as you possibly can, aren't you? Do you really think talking like that makes you look clever or insightful? Or is it just a defense mechanism?

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I have four kids, and you're arguing about half a joke about IDEs. Good luck!

Are you drunk or something?

Maybe, but I'm still right.

Right about what? What in the hell are you even talking about at this point?

>Jow Forums rage
mhmm a phone poster is anti/pol/
really makes you think

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For laptops ChromeOS seems promising, it's getting Linux applications support doesn't it? For desktops some distro with KDE probably, opensuse seems alright.

Okay, fine.
1. If you can write good code, you do not need an IDE.
2. If you require an IDE, your code is suspect.
3. I've tried many IDEs, they are quite good at directing coders in pre-defined directions.
4. I say, "No, thanks."
5. You're kinda enamored with IDEs, and how they direct you.
6. I don't like that.
7. This was all entirely clear to anybody other than you, but I spelled it out because you're Special.

>If you require an IDE, your code is suspect.
No, it isn't, and the idea that this is true is patently absurd.
>You're kinda enamored with IDEs
I don't use IDEs, unless we're counting things like vim or emacs as such.

Hi! Welcome to Jow Forums.

If you were so annoyed by my post you responded, you're very butthurt.

Are you ok? Seriously. What's your issue, man?

that's what happens when an "adult" didn't ever learn how to cope with other people challenging his opinion or (god forbid) telling him he's wrong

Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora or Arch.

But he's technically correct, a stock Windows 7 ISO will fail to install on a Ryzen chipset, or any newer Intel chipset because of the lack of drivers for the USB controller (and some motherboards ship with zero PS/2 ports).

You can patch the Windows ISO to include the drivers, but let's be honest can you really trust any of these tools to not install something malicious with the drivers? Plugging your ears and screaming that it's a meme makes you look like a massive retard.

>Wine runs everything.
Just how much more RAM do I need?

underrated keks

Manjaro or KDE Neon. Whichever is more stable by the time that I have to stop using my OS. In my case it ain't Windows, it's hackintosh. Since in the future it won't be supported anymore because they want to ditch Intel (and rightfully so) and I'm not willing to pay for genuine apple hardware, and I predict it will also be closer to iOS than what macOS is right now, I expect at least for some distros to still be there.

On the other hand, Windows 10 doesn't really work that bad that people have to bail out. At least in comparison to 7 which is what everyone wants to keep using for some reason. It's still a shitty system overall. Stable my rancid ass, if you have newer hardware or want better scaling or multimonitor support, you're fucked.

Just buy a usb2 pci-e card like this ebay.com/itm/192640328139
It's $19, you don't need to keep in in the machine and you can use it for many machines to come for various purposes.

It has to be USB2 (since win7 doesn't include many usb3 drivers - even x79 doesn't work ootb) and it has to be an older chip (ie. MosChip pci-e to USB2 chips won't work, since the they were only released in ~2014) The linked card has a Via VT6212 which has drivers on all Win7 isos as it was released in ~04-05.
pci-e over pci is simply because PCI slots are becoming rarer.

i think i will go for temple os and improve it a bit

>only windows audio
Yeah it would suck to hear all that stutter, cracking and poping.

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seL4.systems

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You can slipstream them yourself if you really want to not use any 3rd party programs, just make sure your AMD/Intel chipset drivers are from their official website and you're good.

RISC OS

You can still use Windows 7 for a lot - it's just that we're facing a dilemma where companies are no longer making drivers for newer USB xHCI controllers (like again, the Cannonlake PCH,) and there are no alternatives.

No, you cannot force install a Kaby Lake USB 3.0 driver onto a Cannonlake USB 3.1 controller and expect it to work, it BSODS.

No, you cannot get the generic Microsoft xHCI driver from newer versions of the OS (8.0 and up) working on 7, they refuse to start.

So, one annoyance is that you'll have to put in a third party USB card for newer computers if the USB controllers on the board are not Win 7 compatible.

Integrating drivers/updates is easy, you just mount the install/boot wims, and use DISM to integrate drivers. But, it's going to be hard to integrate drivers that don't exist...

This.

BSD on dual-boot for Internet
Continue with 'doze 8.1 for gaming, disconnect from net
Server 2012 still acceptable

I fail to see the problem.

>BSD on dual-boot for Internet
FreeBSD is cucked.
NetBSD, noone cares about.
OpenBSD, barely usable (Especially for Noobs that use Shitbuntu).

OpenBSD is probably the answer if it becomes more desktop user friendly and improves it's functionality.