How does Apple do it?
Insane performance
Logan Brooks
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browserbench.org
zdnet.com
iphone.appleinsider.com
apple.com
youtube.com
twitter.com
Adrian Lee
superior machines
Owen Brown
>JavaScript benchmark
Justin Thomas
slow down every other phones with patches and (((FEATURES))) like battery throttling .
Aaron Perez
Even the competition?
Josiah Perry
You know Android pajeets are BH when they come up with their bullshit about "HURR DURR updates that slow down your phones".
Joseph Watson
The potent Pixel 2 XL
Caleb Allen
>cheating artificial benchmarks that hard
>meanwhile gets BTFO by $300 poco in real apps
How does apple do it?
Owen Davis
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With fake YouTube videos.
Who paid for those phones?
Ethan Gomez
> "over three times slower"
The points scale is probably not linear. 38 vs 125 points could also mean something like "about 10% faster" or even "10x faster".
Furthermore: a benchmark that combines multiple scores into one may even mislead completely (as in: scores are completely opposite of actual HW performance) by weighing different sub-scores in completely unintuituive ways: e.g. a JavaScript benchmark may weigh, say, string processing highly. Now, if you compare (hypothetical) device A (strong HW but fucked up JS implementation/browser) with (hypothetical) device B (weaker HW but super-optimized JS) you may conclude that device B is stronger even though just using another browser (or any other software) on device A would completely reverse these results.
And, iirc, that actually happened with Apple devices and a benchmark that weighed crypto performance (for which Apple apparently has an accelerator) unrealistically high.
In conclusion: benchmarks that deal with some weird points system (e.g. CineBench points) are complete trash compared to benchmarks that compare timings of real-world-software (e.g. how long does it take to render/compress/convert X).
Bentley Morales
Soup Jow Forums, I'm an unironic paid Apple shill.
You might recognize our agency's threads like:
>y dont u own a mac r u poor? lol
>post your apple products
>where my (apple product) bros at?
>WHO HYPE FOR (apple product/event)?
>why does (celebrity or notable people) use (apple product) i'm confused, pls shill for me!
>lol green bubbles
>"Perfection" (apple product photo)
>macbooks are overpriced, ok show me a laptop that... pasta
>geekbench circlejerking threads
>look! this pro-apple blog says good things about (apple product)! please click it!
>it just werks (apple product photo)
>i used to use non-apple products but then i tired apple products and never looked back!
>rotate threads and topics regularly to avoid being caught by mods as "flooding"
We focus primarily on tech blogs and the like with hacked Disqus accounts that we can buy for like 1000/$50 on the dark web to get a real post history and identity. Me, I got Jow Forums with a few other guys.
>pretend to need to (X), recommend Apple products to ourselves
>enter non-Apple thread and convince people to consider Apple
>get shekels
>make thread but it devolves into Apple getting shit on
>no shekels
When we can't get any good shilling going, we'll just crap on the competition, THEN try to slip in a suggestion to try Apple products.
>OMG i own this HP/MS/Samsung/LG product and it SUCKS
>coshill comes in the thread, plugs (Apple product)
>lololol loonix has no gaymes, windows master race!
>lololol wangblows sux, linux master race!
>step in after 100 posts and make up story about how great (Apple product) is
Mostly a side job and I make $100 every month or so for no effort, but I'm quitting because they bullshitted me once on a check, plus I'm graduating so now I'm outing them.
is my old coworker
Alexander Rivera
Show me some REAL javascript scores of your phone Jow Forums
jsperf.com
This is on a chink Maze Alpha 4G
Jason Hughes
coping
Michael Stewart
whats up bro, did your thinkpad battery fall out today?
Nathan Martin
all the other macs must've been throttling
Ryan Brown
>green bubbles
Someone please explain
Joseph Campbell
How did you manage to write that on your Corre 2 Duo with 1366x768 screen? And those mushy membrane keys?
Joshua Butler
Superior engineering on both software and hardware, on top of a generous amount of money invested in large processors on each phone, using the latest 7nm tech...
Easton Phillips
who cares how fast it is when it has a fucking notch in the middle of the screen
Jackson Nguyen
Notch is better than a lip. You can push the notifications in the corners, and get more screen space for everything else.
Justin Powell
girls won't talk to you if you send them texts and it shows up as green bubbles. If you have an iphone your texts show up as blue bubbles.
Ryan Turner
nah, I have blue bubbles and they don't talk to me either
Elijah Perry
What? I'm currently using an iPhone™ 6S and that never happened to me. Is this a feature exclusive to the US?
Jace Myers
Browserbench begin WebKit site, WebKit is developer team paid for Apple to make safari.
Angel Wright
Apple have a better silicon team than Intel and AMD and probably Nvidia combined, headed by pic related.
>“Silicon is unforgiving,” Mr. Srouji said. “My team is already working on the chips you're going to see in 2020. You make bets. We have the system and the software. We have better knowledge versus external chipmakers about where things are going to end up. Since we own the silicon, we own the software, the operating system and everything else, we deliver, always. We deliver for the exact specification of iOS and nothing else. We don't have to worry about other operating systems.”
This is why Apple wins. While Qualcomm are just trying to satisfy everyone and Android vendors are just trying to ship something someone is willing to pay for every year with no real vision for the future, Apple are steadily actually working towards something. They control the entire stack, the ENTIRE stack. They're making more and more in-house components and chips so they can have levels of integration and perfection that Samsung can only dream of.
Lucas Rodriguez
Is Apple tricking JavaScript tests now? The absolute state lmao
Ryder Lewis
If an ARM based smartphone is beating a Xeon computer, either that benchmark is total bullshit, or that Xeon is extremely poorly cooled and is throttling to hell.
Jaxon Kelly
wtf I love Apple now
Adam Cruz
This
Was reading about how android phones never see updates. Was not surprised by the content of all articles.
Hunter Smith
JavaScript benchmark are really bad, JS is 5 to 10 slow than high optimized C++, some heavy JIT compiler could made Atom beat i7 chip.
Long time ago IE team made atom beat i7 Chrome in sunspider.
Julian Sanders
>jsperf.com
Droidfags are pathetic.
Andrew Adams
god who gives a shit, that doesnt justify a expensive phone with notch
Wyatt Richardson
>I dun care about muh cpu
>Steve Jobs bad man
Ryder Gutierrez
Why the fuck is iMac slower than a phone?
Did they make a hardware unit just for JS execution?
Leo Gray
>oh boy I get a high score in geekbench and some other retarded pajeet JavaScript benchmark
Caleb Taylor
The Apple A series chips were designed by Jim Keller not some chinks and pajeets, that's why.
Bentley Diaz
The only thing apple has better than anyone else is a street shitting team.
iTODDLERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Ethan Bell
huawei nexus 6p (2015)
Ian Campbell
What the fuck does JavaScript speedometer even mean?
Jeremiah Howard
Luke Robinson
yeah i can do so much with that power in ios at that price on a fucking phone
Connor Rogers
>muh phone is a computer
It's a web browser and video player. Stop being retarded.
Easton Phillips
OnePlus 3T
Evan Price
>SHOW ME SCORES IN A BENCHMARK MADE FOR APPLE CPUS
streetshit harder poojeet
John Hill
its irony user
Michael Myers
If you like for your websites to load slow as balls.
Levi Martinez
>If you like for your websites to load slow as balls.
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oliver Gomez
Post the Geekbench
John Martinez
Post your toilet. Oh wait, you don't have one.
Nathan Turner
How is Apple the pajeet company now? India is one of the few places where Android is completely dominant.
Nathan Sullivan
Apple hires pajeets for all their shillings
Jeremiah Perry
By cheating in Javascript.
This is well documented. Various things don't work properly or in the currect order on iOS Safari.
Brandon Parker
maybe they improved their JS engine.
I heard JS is trash so it wouldn't be too hard.
Hunter Brown
I guess I had too high of expectations -_-
Joshua Rodriguez
How many hours in MS Paint did that take you Rankeesh?
Kayden Peterson
Yes, Apple pays people to shill on Jow Forums. After all, what better market for you $1000 than a board full of poorfag neets. You're delusional.
Matthew Hall
is that you? I'm confused.
seriously why would you post a pic of yourself in the internet?
I dunno I could see it. They contract some shady company to shill for them and they say they're shilling to top customers when really it's just basement-beards and weeblolicons.
Cooper Miller
Hi Pradeep. Still posting rebranded Microsoft memes of your uncle again? How did Apple hurt your feelings today?
Luis Flores
It measures how fast your browser can run javascript. I got different scores in the 60s on my laptop Haswell i7-4700MQ between Chromium and Edge on Windows 10. Seems my 4 year old chinkpad is just about on par with a MacBook 1.4 i7 from Spring 2017, though Safari for OS X may be better or worse optimized than the browsers I used. And since the iPhone XS is beating a 3 GHz Xeon, iOS Safari must be a good deal better optimized than OS X Safari.
I note that none of them used more than 1 core.
Levi Carter
we were discussing this in our comp architecture class the other day. idr the entire discussion but basically they made some optimizations specifically for running javascript. Probably has to do with something SIMD related with their ARM instructions, similar to x86 and AVX instructions. If someone with more background in this could pipe in that'd be great
Grayson Davis
>1620x1888
>Doesn't even run the tests on a frootphune
The aplel way.
Nokia 8
Joseph Cooper
how is this js benchmark?
dom operations so much expensive
Jonathan Perez
How do I get a job shilling? Seems like easy money.
Jose Wood
delete javascript
Parker Cox
Juan Kelly
Samsung A8 2018 on oreo
Joshua Perez
Same test but done In Chrome. Same device.
Dominic Parker
who cares
more apple toddlers = more inferior shallow minded lazy engineers = more jobs for us, technical geeks
Levi Rodriguez
What are you people doing with your lives? Life is too short to waste waiting on javascripts.
Hunter Hernandez
Cucked
iPhone 8
Adrian Wood
>x many points on synthetic benchmark
>x seconds faster in app opening speed test
NONE OF THOSE MATTER. None of those translate into a perceivable user experience improvement. Apps open up fast enough and js code runs fast enough. Things like battery life, charging speed, camera and camera app are way more important.
Josiah Phillips
>Apple building in crypto acceleration but banning crypto mining apps
COPING
John Carter
>compares a shitty phone vs a throttled down computer
apple 2018
Jack Ortiz
Brainlet, a faster cpu makes your battery last longer and improves the longevity of the device. Enjoy the subpar experience, basedboy
Brody Ross
Speak for yourself. I almost never use the camera, but I have all system animations disabled because delays in UI tick me off.
Gavin Carter
A more power efficient CPU makes your battery last longer, not a faster one.
Caleb Ramirez
Being able to clock down the cpu faster because the instruction is done is also important
Zachary Myers
>another day
>another benchmark apple cheats at
>lagPhone still gets BTFO by $300 phones in actual day-to-day apps
>iPoojeet in desperate damage control mode for entire thread
Jose Smith
cpus are too complex to make such a general assumption. they clock up and clock down, the clock-voltage-power function is nonlinear, the operating system tries to predictively adjust clocks and batch intensive tasks when clocks are up and at the same time tries to minimize clock changes (they incure a cost too). it's true that cpu performance correlates with cpu efficiency because faster cpus are more recent and more recent cpus are also more efficien (common cause correlation).
Josiah Walker
That's only part of what constitutes power efficiency. It doesn't matter if you can clock your CPU down 2 times faster if it consumes 3 times more power in the active state.
Ayden Butler
>meanwhile in the real world
Elijah Ross
yikes
Jaxon Edwards
My i7-4770 gets 57.
There's something extremely fishy about these results.
Brody Williams
>How does Apple do it?
arm > x86
James Johnson
just let it slip for a min
this machine is my second one that i use to play minecraft cause i fucking love logging on servers and blow cities up
its a athlon 631 with 8gb ram and a 260x
note this result is with java being forcefully run on the cpu ONLY
if i force both chrome and java to run on the gpu the result goes to 83
Dylan Gray
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Justin Nelson
It's entirely possible that they added some hardware optimizations specifically for their JS engine. Given how horribly slow JS execution is due to interpreting, sandboxing and the general inefficiency of the language, having some hardware shortcuts can make a huge difference (but it doesn't benefit tasks other than JS).
Zachary Anderson
iPhone 6 here. jQuery is fucking slow.
Anthony Perez
Too bad it only works in benchmarks and not actual websites.
Easton Sanders
they are probably running the java on the cache to quickly flush the gargabe collector and thus not bottlenecking the cpu
and im pretty sure they arent doing delete and compact at all
Chase Clark
>You know Android pajeets are BH when they come up with their bullshit about "HURR DURR updates that slow down your phones".
iphone.appleinsider.com
apple.com
Yeah, totally made up.
Cameron Martinez
In real life, unless you have a really shit CPU or the webdevs were particularly horrible, website loading is limited by server response lag and transfer rate, not JS execution.
Julian Miller
I just had a thought that maybe when the engine detects that it can potentially thread out it does. Most of these tests are kinds of loops that don't rely on the output of one for the next. If the engine detects this it could easily spawn a thread on each core to handle a loop each.
I'm kinda interested in what you see in the Speedometer test on iOS. How fast the forms appear, expand and check all the boxes. Maybe I'll visit a store.
Ethan Williams
Bull. A few watt ARM in a phone is not going to beat a Xeon. The benchmark is crap.
Lucas Moore
Well in this day and age probably every global multinational company has hired citizens of probably every nationality. Yes, that includes Indians
Then again Apple is still one of the whit*st company out there
Parker Hernandez
iPOOJEET BTFO
Christopher Richardson
Apple's JS engine is the best in the world.
Jaxon Murphy
> lost on all benchmarks
NONE OF THOSE MATTER.
KYS, pajeet. Apple is the best on everything, they also beat the Samsung Note 9 on batt life.
Joshua Gray
Connect the iPhone to a shittier WiFi, and profit of losers.
You are an idiot, you know?