Why is firefox losing by so much?
All clean profiles by the way
Why is firefox losing by so much?
Nathan Mitchell
Eli Gutierrez
Why do you care? The fastest possible code is code that never runs. The way to have a blazing-fast browser isn't it pick the one with the highest benchmark scores, its to install ad and script blocking.
John Parker
because mozilla is led by a feminist
Daniel Myers
Firefox BLOAT
Connor Bailey
Made me curious so I checked. While the gap on my system is similar it's slightly smaller. 685 on Chrome vs 532 on Firefox, that's a pretty big difference. Firefox version is actually 62.0 on Linux, btw, screenshot just reports the default.useragent.override setting.
These are with totally NOT clean profiles, btw, so that's somewhat important to note. Mainly, Chromium on my box does not seem to get GPU acceleration enabled chrome://gpu/ (last tiem I set it up, anyway). The same is true for Firefox, I changed quite few things there to. The page to check in Firefox is about:support to see if
layers.acceleration.force-enabled
layers.omtp.enabled
is set to true.
I am guessing some of the gap is due to those settings not being enabled. Then there is......
gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated
which I have set to false (default, I didn't disable it, just don't enable it). I do believe Firefox would perform better with this set to enabled for this test, I'm actually going to check. The Problem with this setting is that it made some sites use exponentially more GPU VRAM. If having a web page open makes GPU VRAM usage go from 1 GB to 5-6 GB in less than half an hour then there's something ... wrong.
William Perez
Yeah ive wondered taht too myself lately.
Firefox running 4 live video streams keeps disconnecting and reconnecting, other browsers run fine.
Elijah Harris
>Linux 0.0
now that was a kernel
Anthony Martinez
>Why is a project concentrating on gender politics lagging behind software that's actually developed?
Thomas Baker
Firefox with
gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated
changed to true and the same settings as the previous run bumped the score up to 566. This is an improvement over 532 but it's still more than a hundred points shy of 685 in Chrome.. same browser version, btw, and still on linux. I just updated the useragent string and also ublock origin filters to get rid of those "share" buttons
Jonathan Gray
Ain't gonna be a kernel no more with SJW code
Ryan Hall
Nu-Firefox is an absolute garbage and I'm furious that The Botnet Browser is the only one currently usable.
Gavin Cox
Firefox is a clusterfuck of old code.
Parker Watson
The Gecko engine is a clusterfuck of 25 year-old code. That's why they want to replace it with Servo.
So far all they've done is replace the CSS rendering, which did introduce big improvements.
The problem is that the Servo development was stalled while Rust was being development, and now that Rust is mostly done they have to implement whatever bullshit new HTML5 standards the W3C has approved that week both in Gecko and servo since they can't just leave all their current users in the air.
Can you try that with a WebKit-based browser?
Jack Barnes
so when is firefox going to be cleared back to use?
Austin Hill
there's absolutely nothing about "new" c code that makes it inherently faster than old c code. claws-mail is really old but it's a whole lot faster than thunderbird.
And blink, which is what chrome/chromium uses today, is a fork of webkit which is a fork of khtml - which is .. quite old.
Firefox's desire to replace gecko with servo does seem to be a problem, though, gecko got little improvement and servo hasn't amounted to anything. its not like they decided to throw webkit under the bus when they started blink, they forked it (=improved major parts of it).
On a different note, I would very much like to see one of you wintoddler girls run that benchmark. the two results in this thread are from me and one other user running Linux, I'm just curious to see how the results compare on Windows. Linux was somewhat of a priority back when Firefox was forked it was named Phoenix and then Firebird. Mozilla gradually decided that Windows is the market (which is true) and it seems like they are basically ignoring Linux these days.
Jaxson Wood
>using Firefox unironically
It's not 2006 anymore
Lincoln Lewis
Decided to test Konqueror because why not, haven't used it for quite some time but I got curious how other browsers compare... and this result ... is interesting.
>Konqueror 766
So .. Konqueror is actually the fastest Linux browser?
Gavin Hall
>lower is better
Zachary Thomas
Maybe it's fastest, but it also crashes and is unstable. Some websites work with, some don't, some JS works, some don't.
Crashes every 3 minutes (or less, depends on which website is opened), but never ends process.
If it just worked, I'd use it over Firefox.
Thomas Cox
A lot of security that might get ignored by smaller players make your browser slower. Somehow FireFox manages to be the least secure and slowest.
Based and redpilled.
Easton Walker
>google is not concerned with gender politics
Juan Hughes
>Maybe it's fastest, but it also crashes and is unstable
That is not my experience testing it the last 5 minutes, but there are some rather obvious short-comings. Press the menu key or right-click a page in chrome and you have back, forward, reload and some other options & in firefox you have back, forward and reload arrows.
In Konqueror there's.. Bookmark and Open in firefox?
Also, it's got a URL bar and search bar. Typing keywords into the URL bar results in errors. Which .. I guess is because it's a URL bar .. but using that for searching works in every other browser. There's a LOT of basic usability issues like this.
Leo Kelly
Code does not age, of course. The problem is that old code is not replaced, so if there's a bug causing performance issues, or if the original design was flawed or unsuitable for modern needs it will not be fixed ever. Also there's the problem of patches upon patches upon patches of code.
Blink is a WebKit fork, indeed. The idea behind Blink was to revamp the engine, remove useless code and rewrite other parts.
Brandon Ortiz
Mine will probably fail because I disabled webgl to avoid fingerprinting. So I don't really care about which implements all the standards. I just care about which implements the standards I care about.
Carson Thompson
Yeah, I've noticed all this. But for me it's unstable for some reason.
Could be because I'm using arch and it fetches an unstable version of konqueror.
Nothing else was/is broken.
Jordan Kelly
firefox is a shit browser
colors are off
it's slow
does shit weirdly for no fucking reason
has scrolling issues/weirdness
has screen tearing where every other browser doesn't
Caleb Collins
yeah, being knee-deep in SJW bullshit isn't a good argument to use for or against any web modern web browser..
as for alternatives, anyone using linux and not using chromium/chrome or firefox?
and I'm also still curious to see results of that browser benchmark on the wintendo if anyone wants to check that out
gonna run it on my laptop, btw. it's got the Intel CPU and iGPU which may produce results that differ from a desktop with a dedicated one
Luis Kelly
Price of freedom
Nicholas Perez
t. Gargle cum user
Sebastian Torres
shit site. doesn't even work properly
>Browser had problems running multiple tests
which ones?????????????????
webdev/10
Jack Morgan
Rust
David Adams
Cuz that's more inclusive.
Brayden Sanders
It's gonna have lower scores overall than on windows since no loonex browsers can decode videos on the GPU
Jonathan Barnes
Why are all the big tech companies going backwards?
Nathan Thompson
Uninstalled chrome last night.
It runs a program called google updater in the background gen when chrome is closed.
Gavin Russell
that would be relevant if your statements was true and video decoding was a part of this test.. but none of those things are true. hardware accelerated video decoding works fine, and so does accelerated WebGL (which IS relevant for this test).
nice, now run it in chrome too so we can get a comparison. that figure doesn't mean all that much since it also depends on what cpu/gpu/hardware you are (ab)using.
912 is much higher than what I got in both chromium/firefox/konqueror, that much is sure
Julian Phillips
Connor Carter
Why not try Nightly with all the webrender shit on? Literally nobody on Jow Forums runs vanilla Firefox.
Evan Thompson
Good point, should try a fresh firefox install too
Evan Lee
>IPad as fast as Desktop Power 1000w space heaters
Lmao
Wyatt Sanchez
I get similar results on Windows as well.
Not really surprised. I looked into setting up FF sync server (with self hosted auth) and what I saw made me throw up inside. With software quality like this no wonder they're getting left behind.
Anthony Scott
No such thing as hardware accelerated video playback on linux browsers.
Robert King
>I looked into setting up FF sync server (with self hosted auth) and what I saw made me throw up inside.
I looked that up once and came upon some dudes tutorial/experience while setting it up, made me almost punch the screen
Kevin Morris
>hardware accelerated video decoding works fine
It doesn't even work on Windows. Didn't Mozilla get a huge speedup from disabling the video decoder on Vega?
Jordan Flores
So is nobody gonna run Nightly with gfx.webrender.all set to true? I'd do it but this test doesn't even load in any of my browsers.