Tesla BTFO!

small little company called Apple, heard of it?

only in predetermined perfect conditions.

plus, what all the nerds forget is: dirt roads, night & heavy weather

There are bigger issues with Tesla. Such as that they lose money with very little competiton. What is tesla going to do when both the Luxury brands and the Consumer brands produce reliable Electric Cars? Companies like Toyota, Ford, GM, Honda etc will make cars more affordably, and other brands can make more luxurious cars.

>listening to some molerat looking mf

nobody is talking about 1 specific company here, but about the concept of self driving AI

>The literal who apple co-founder didn't get the cancer
The bad guy always wins.

>all these faggots ITT talking shit about Woz
sure is reddit here.

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>still buying the cancer meme
He was just another fag who was cured by AIDS that's all.

thats retarded, car doesnt need to match human intelegence, right fucking now AI car can drive in normal city no problem, they might have few hiccups here and there, but thats it. Sure AI isnt capable of going offroading or in streets with no signs right now.
But thats not an issue what whatsoever.

>right fucking now AI car can drive in normal city no problem
literally wrong.

Laugh all the way to the bank with all the money they made through government subsidies.

AI cars drive like paranoid grandmas and human drivers have to take over during most any non-vanilla scenario the car encounters.

Kathy Griffin's ex has an axe to grind with Musk, I think hes generally right in the sense that it wont be safe and mainstream as soon as many people say

A company he had nothing to do with the success of, yes.
If Woz woz so smart - how come he didn't make another Apple?
Steve did - he made 2. (NeXT and Pixar)

no one cares about meme man.
leatherjacketman Jen says it's possible though and I believe him more than a washed old up fat guy who was relevant only for putting from off-the-shelf components together and selling it as the Apple2.

>leatherjacketman Jen
Yep, it's Reddit in here alright.

Not surprising, leatherjacketwimp Jen is selling cheapo off-the-shelf tegra chips to tesla.

He's just salty he sold all Applel stocks

>one year ago
Everyone talking about autonomous driving, lots of companies working on it, startups etc
>now
Barely any noise

Yep, it was just a meme, it's gonna go the same way as the VR hype

gps cant even keep up with road changes or construction.

the 'off the shelf' components your referring to were developed by nvidia, Jen's company.
Fat man developed nothing, he's never been involved in IC development.
He's never really been involved with much at all.

Even his peers kept developing. he just started being more fat.

I wish they'd post the video when people make these statements.

>Imaging satellites that image the entire united states many times per day can't keep up with construction that takes months to even start

they arent losing shit and works a little like those neet bux you get every month

Theyll just end up setting the maximum speed to around 40km the slow speed will be made up for by never having traffic jams due to perfect syncrocity

>you never drive on the same road twice
do you take a different route to work every day? how do you keep finding new ways to leave home? what happens when you run out of new roads to get to work, do you find a new job?

we already do this but its not accessible for citizens? you have a solution when?

>dude just brute force lmao
retard

ofcourse, and if you want more speed than pay more goy

he means that generic_street_1 is not the same as generic_street_1_wet or generic_street_1_with_children_on_it

>AI will never beat someone at chess

well, according to we image every road in america in real time so this should work

Wrong, they were developed by arm and engineered into their GPU shit by nvidia.

The fat man can survive plane crashes, leatherjacketwimp doesn't even survive business suits.

same reason why you can never centrally plan an economy

>Theyll just end up setting the maximum speed to around 40km the slow speed will be made up for by never having traffic jams due to perfect syncrocity

It honestly sounds like horse drawn carts causing accidents with T-Models.

the only time children become one with the pavement is when I put them in there. the road doesn't change.

That's why autonomous cars rely on more than just Google Maps in order to drive.

¡mama!

>icq89 hires icq149s
>icq149s do the job
>icq89 is famous and considered smart

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>autonomous cars aren't 100% perfectly safe
>fuckit let's stick with human drivers

Sound logic, considering most autonomous vehicle crashes involve human error too.

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This. It's the exact same fucking argument they made until 96

>acting like humans driving cars is the pinnacle of our ability

It's literally one of the dumbest shit we do. Majority of crashes would be human error, small percentage some form of mechanical failure.

Audi cars already get traffic light signals and give you a countdown on your LCD dash. Once we get more tech on street poles and between cars it will be way better

Exacly

>pilot error accounts for huge amount of plane crashes

WE NEED A PILOT THERE ALWAYS!

Who would ever want a plane without a captain

gps is just a positioning system and the devices which link that positioning data to a map aren't exactly sophisticated.

"human brains are magic"

For some reason, brainlet humans actually believe that travelling in a car is safe. It is the most dangerous thing most people ever do and they do it all they time. Your life is literally one shit driver away from being finished, and you are one of the 1.3 million killed or countless maimed by automobiles.

The argument for autonomous cars isn't your driving, it's everyone else's. Woz is an idiot and hasn't done anything of note since the AppleII, which for the record he got help from Chuck Peddle, designer of the 6502.

>humans driving requires brain power
>lol you can drive when you're 16 but because we're so advanced with our brains
>computer can't do it

They're doing pretty fucking well for how shitty things are in the real world with faded line markings, 1 way streets, stop signs, unmarked lanes, road works etc

if we actually wanted it to happen we could and just do some new lane marking standard for the cars to follow easier, do electronic stop signs/lights, several cars can read traffic lights already

pilots make errors. machines make other errors. e.g. a human pilot would never be confused if the airspeed indicator stops working, he'll know that airspeed can't be zero so the indicator must be wrong.

t. User who doesn't understand technology

Years ago when Toyota was having lots of allegations of errant acceleration, Woz was one of the people who claimed he experienced it.

Most of the time a plane is on autopilot and the pilot is just ensuring correct operation of the plane.

Are you autistic? It's a statement about the volatile nature of real life.

haha holy shit yeah that's never happened

>All 189 people on board died. The cause was pilot error after receiving incorrect airspeed information from one of the pitot tubes, which investigators believe was blocked by a wasp nest built inside it
>The co-pilot's ASI was giving a correct reading of 200 knots (370 km/h) and decreasing

Co-pilots was fine but they're too stupid to work it out and thought they were overspeed( pilots reading) so they throttled back and then got stall warning which they thought was wrong then crashed

Pilots are fucking stupid, they have a collision avoidance system, it detects 2 planes will hit and literally tells them what to do, CLIMB CLIMB CLIMB and the other plane gets told to descend and it just blares it at you and yet pilots have done the opposite of it and then hit another plane

>e.g. a human pilot would never be confused if the airspeed indicator stops working, he'll know that airspeed can't be zero so the indicator must be wrong.
If a computer program did the wrong thing in that situation it wouldn't be the computer's mistake, it would be the programmer's mistake. It wouldn't be that hard to write a program that never behaves as if there has been a sudden and extreme change in velocity without evidence from multiple sources.

jalopnik.com/5461945/apple-co-founder-claims-toyota-prius-has-scary-software-problem-he-can-duplicate
articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/03/business/la-fi-toyota-wozniak3-2010feb03
>Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says his Toyota Prius accelerates on its own

Whether or not you believe Toyota genuinely had software problems, I think it's important to know that Woz has been critical of car software for at least 8 years.

The software developer has a more difficult job than a pilot, but the developer only has to get it right once, and the plane will get it right every time. The pilot, on the other hand, has to get it right every time, and that is not something that humans have ever been able to do.

yeah that DHL collision i think

Got told to decend earlier by air traffic control but then TCAS told him to do the opposite but no one told ATC about the TCAS and then the pilot descended into another plane

You shoudl watch some of those air disaster shows, while some are mechanical issues or maintenance or some unknown feature of the plane, so many are just dumb fuck pilots

>that can't be right! impossible! we aren't stalling
>decreases thrust
>why are we losing altitude, impossible!

Like fuck, so many accidents are caused by pilots not believing instruments.

Driving is very basic, you drive the speed limit within visible lines. Stop at solid perpendicular lines, and proceed depending on a set rule of right-of-way. If you mean too many variables as in children, animals, bad drivers, losing traction on ice, etc, I agree, there are too many variables to appropriately make a formula or set of rules that works for all situations, but I think future neural networks can tackle thousands of smaller formulas better than traditional programming can.

Downright impossible is a stretch, its a problem with tough solutions at the moment, that will get better with development in the technology.

>If you mean too many variables as in children, animals, bad drivers, losing traction on ice, etc

That's true but AI will still be better

I mean look at traction control, that's already a computer altering power to different wheels faster than you can think, self driving cars will have cameras seeing shit off the side of the road in IR.

The issue is there is 1 issue with it and people call for it to be abandoned instead of improving it lol

Who cares, he is playing mindgames for his own business.That he is failing doesn't mean others fail.

>>AI will NEVER be smart enough to drive a car, says Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak
>>He says he doesn't believe vision intelligence will be able to match a human's

Anyone who has ever taking a class on AI and/or CV knows this.

You should work in industrial accident management for a while. The instruments and readings work just fine. Shit goes wrong when operators are like 'machines make errors, gotta compensate' and then they just make things worse.

The problem is he’s saying never. Never is a long time, it’s inevitable that technology will reach the abilities of humans.

Sure, and if you drive like that you probably will never crash into anything. But the problem is the road-raging tailgating fuckwit, or the stupid slut texting and putting her makeup on, or the defective truck being driven by some meth frazzled nightmare, or the moron who steps out in front of moving traffic on a highway at night. These are the things which cause road fatalities, but for some reason the autonomous car gets the blame when this happens.

A developer has hour, days, or weeks to think about a solution. A pilot only has minutes.

>he did say what I wanted to hear therefore he is worng
>t. the fedora "intellectual"

>it’s inevitable that technology will reach the abilities of humans

And a 100 years ago, normies thought technology would eventually make us into literal gods. Stop confusing your dreams with reality.

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Zoomer kids take it for granted that you have a device in your pocket that allows you to access the sum total of human knowledge and art at any time, (video) talk to anyone in the world, watch any movie or TV, listen to any recording, access highly accurate maps with pinpoint accuracy.

This is literally godlike ability, inconcievable even in the 80s.

Wut. You’re basing your argument off of a grossly overestimated guess by people 100 years ago.
Tell me why you think we won’t eventually have AI competent enough to drive cars.

It might take 10 million years to replicate the human brain with a computer, but it will happen. It’s illogical to say that it will never happen.

We literally have cars that can self drive in a halfass way now, does this idiot think progress in this field will just stop for all of eternity?

Technophile utopian pundits are becoming more tedious than neo-Luddites at this point. Reminds me of the people who still talk like 'The Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace' despite all evidence to the contrary.

>This is literally godlike ability, inconcievable even in the 80s.

Is this bait or next level NPCing?

Wozniak is a guy who haven't been relevant since his exit from Apple. He's is clearly trying to stay relevant here.

>using the NPC meme

Confirmed for actual retard.
Your argument is no longer valid

>random idiot contradicts reality
>more news at 11

AI will always fail with unknown state, chess, go, etc., always show the state

>implying that humans are infallible

Humans will fuck things up they've done thousands of times.

>he's a hack cuz like, he said bad things about trumpy daddy! not our daddy!
Russian bots make me retch. Nuke that godforsaken shithole out of orbit.

This AI vs human argument is stupid.
There's a reason why autopilot is used most of the time on planes but pilots are still there. There's a reason why for the foreseeable future automated cars will still have a driver at the wheel.
If you remove the human for 99% of the decisions then there'll be a lot less mistakes made, and the human is there for the unknowns that the AI can't make a decision on.

>Driving implies so many variables that it's downright impossible.

This.

>dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6220185/Apple-founder-Steve-Wozniak-says-doesnt-believe-AI-smart-drive-car.html

Eh, so Moore's law and the internet are amazing things. That doesn't mean tech will grow at the speed it has been.

The human brain has proven capable to deal with those variables, and machines have proven time and time again that they're more capable. Sure, we might not be "there" in terms of technology right now or the next year, but the tech is maturing fast, more so now that people are actually testing it and finding its flaws.
And remember, you don't need the perfect AI driver. You need an AI that collides at a lesser rate than the average mouth breather behind the wheel. What is the death rate by car accidents in the developed world somewhere between 10 and 15 per 100k? Reduce it to half, just a dumb shitty AI that kills 5 people per 100k, and bam, millions saved in a few years

You're an idiot.

Bullshit.
ML field has been improving extremelly fast the last 10 years.
I work in the field and I cant fucking imagine what it will look in 10 more. Saying that is outright impossible when fucking niggers can drive is bullshit.

>entire fields of people, experts, and multi billion dollar companies working on self driving tech and being optimist about it
>"why should I believe them?"
>one guy that was relevant 20 years ago says he doesn't think they'll be good enough
>"wellp, you heard it boys, AI is eternally btfo"
>tech journalism written by someone that is not a field expert/researcher, vaguely quoting someone that is not a field expert/researcher
>journalism of any kind written by journalists
That's why I only read articles written by lawyers, or doctors, or scientists, or economists and you should too. Besides, unless you're planning to short the companies involved... what do you accomplish with trying to predict their failure? or their success? Isn't it just better to wait and see unless you're directly involved in the business?

what did wozniak do aside from making overpriced facebook machines for plebs

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AI is a memeword you add to your project for more fundraising, because it's popular now.
Just beware of when investors get tired of it.