/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Create a parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing.
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.
>For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1 (embed)

CPU
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for 9700k - Almost surely best for 1080p gaming
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 for lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.
OpenCL work
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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First for enchiladas.

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dumb frogposter

Good start to the thread.

feels bad, i should have snagged an inno3d 1080ti for 900 dollarydoos when i could

any suggestions to this build or is it good enough.
pcpartpicker.com/list/cpZLfH

Where can i find a socket TR4 motherboard that doesn't look like a child's toy? My employer agreed to upgrade our workstation and let me in charge of choosing the parts and I am embarrassed to even show him the shopping list.

What's wrong with the X399M Taichi?

>pcpartpicker.com/list/cpZLfH
Not a fan of the case, and 550W is more than you need, but that's a really solid build.
Could get an IPS monitor for around the same price or not much more. LG has one that is often on sale for around $125.

Hey guys, can you answer my question?

In short: I'm going to buy a 100% free software computer, which CPU should I get?
Here are my options:
Intel Core 2 Extreme
Intel Core 2 Quad
Intel Core 2 Duo
Intel Pentium Extreme Edition
Intel Pentium D
Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition
Intel Pentium 4
Intel Celeron

The extreme is obviously the best of those. Quad would be more affordable.

>X399M Taichi
look at: mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-X399M-Taichi-AMD-X399-So-TR4-Quad-Channel-DDR4-mATX-Retail_1233722.html#tBewertungen

10% RMA rate, seems that the quality is shit on this board

>a 100% free software computer
I have no idea what that even means

All of them are dirt cheap anyways, so the price doesn't matter. What I really care about is if it's possible to get rid of the Intel Management Engine completely. I've heard it's possible on Core 2 CPUs, but I'm not sure which

gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

anybody got a gigabyte mobo here? I want to set my ram speed to 2666, how should I proceed?

>Chink noname garbage
>900dollys
Hell no

comparing to other boards on the site the RMA rate seems to hover around 7-11% on various different boards I checked, so it just seems to be unsatisfied customers etc, not necessarily shit quality

AMD Bulldozer is faster than all of them and was the last non backdoored cpu

>AMD Bulldozer
I had a core2 laptop cpu that had a single core score that was a little higher than the fx-9590.

Check libreboot website.

Is it easier to make a Meshify C run quiet or make a Define C run cool?

>have 9900K on preorder, waiting on Z390's to pop up
>2080 gets here
>stuck with 6600K for another half month
>4TB hard drive shit the bed today as well

This is actual suffering.

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buying meme cpu and gpu, the drive probably died from embarrassment

Ryzen doesn't have IME.
They have PSP but it's an open security standard used by many, and not some proprietary backdoor shit.

But you can't libreboot with it, no, afaik.

I do think a later gen construction core APU is worth considering most of all. They are far lower power consumption than those old intel chips. Basically a budget AMD laptop chip. They improved IPC a bit in later generations with... Llano, iirc? Even if they were still well behind Haswell and had a process disadvantage.

Why would you preorder 9900k without confirmation that the hardware hardening of security issues actually worked out and wasn't just fluff?

Meshify C, duh.

Would this be a good deal? Getting a second-hand GPU seems good.

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>mined and abused card
>good
ahaha wow

>buying any intel socket motherboard
>buying a mobo not compatible with incoming 7nm chips
>buying intel
>preordering
>buying a 1080 instead of 1080ti
>having a single 4tb hdd instead of 2x2 or 4x1

you have more cash than sense

vega 64s are crossing the $400 mark. should i cop?

>you have more cash than sense
Probably just a regular guy who likes to use software without any of the amd issues.

im not an nvidia shill but i would go 2070 if i had the dosh instead of a vega

wait for 2070 or purchase a 1080?

1080, 2070 is minimal upgrade, we're talking micro.

How much would I regret buying a Vega 56?

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As long as you can verify it works fine, go for it.

Would still just get Vega56 even if Vega64 is close in price.
Clock-for-clock they perform the same and aren't compute bottlenecked. The 8 extra idle CUs just consume more power.

Vega56.

Sure you're not.

It'll help to be non-braindead enough to undervolt. If you do that, you'd be happy.

i disagree. you will be able to have some rtx features with a 2070 with the performance of a 1080.

350 euros for this, good deal or shit? I'll put a 1060 in it.

-optiplex 790
-I5 2400
-16 DDR3 1333
-AMD Radeon R9 280 3GB
-128GB SSD
-500GB HDD
-Corsair VS650
-coolermaster hyper TX3

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Not at all.
My sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ is pure joy to use.
>clock +3%
>Voltage down to 1.1v
>Memory up to 1020Mhz
>4K gaming
>Absolute monster at rendering with blender
>doesn't go above 70C
>rather quiet

Mainly for Overwatch, indie gayms, and stuff like that.

no way

No? Guess I'll just look for separate parts.

Can anybody rec me an understated case that
>isn't see thru
>has no GAMER™ lights
>good ventilation
>under 100 burgerbux

Also
>mid tower
>provisions for optical drive

At the store right now.
27" Acer 144HZ panel with AMD freesync? ($300)
Or
24" Asus ROG 144HZ 0anel with G-sync? ($400)

I have a GTX 980Ti currently. Does having G-sync make that big of a difference vs just using v-sync?

Are there any VA 1440p/144hz monitors that DON'T fall for the curved meme?

yea its a big difference

Seems like a pretty bad deal.
You could make a 2400G build.
CPU would be much stronger, and power efficient. GPU would be a bit weaker (more like a 265), but you'd have a far, far better upgrade path and be able to play Overwatch on 60fps minimum at medium settings perfectly fine.

You could also try to find a Haswell i7 or equivolant Xeon workstation and add a used 1050Ti.

Yes it makes a big difference on a high refresh rate panel. Not everything will run that high.
Should have sold your 980Ti when you could still get $300 for it, really.

>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots
Kys shill

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Sorry boomer, they don't make those anymore

lg 32gk850g if you dont mind the pixel density (i dont but i seem to be in the minority)
im running 2 and theyve been great for gaming/work (good colour accuracy after calibration)

Well shit
>Should have sold it
Nah. Bought it brand new for $880 at launch. It still does what I want but my current monitor is fucking up on me. So this is the first time I'm considering new monitors in like 6 years. I'm new to all the various sync types.

That proves him correct though

Enthoo Pro.

Are the any 27" ones that aren't curved? 32" is too big for me.

are there any good, cheap monitor color calibration things?

What's in the build?

Wait that's full tower, nevermind. There's not a lot of cases without side windows right now, I guess you could just get an old Antec 300 or something.

>going by msrp when 10xx series go for much lower at this point
>not showing the current market comparison slide which shows just how bad it really is
kys shill

no idea mate
i came from a single 3007wfp and didnt wanna drop below 30" so this was the perfect upgrade for me

check out antec. fractal define r6 is nice but probably out of budget

pcpartpicker.com/list/v2M8zY
$50 more but you can look for 2400G sales which pop up now and then (generally an ebay new sale), and sometimes there are cheaper PSUs.

>getting a 2080 for 1440p@60hz
that’s gonna be a yikes from me

kek

The meshitty C mini is advertised like it could fit 3 120mm fans up front.
How is this supposed to work?

Looking for a 6 fans(3in/3ex) mATX case, any recommendations?

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2070 wont have enough grunt to run ray tracing
dlss at 4k has shown similar performance/image quality to 1800p upscaling so not worth it
UNLESS the 2070 comes out cheaper than current 1080 prices (lol good luck with that)
it really seems pointless to buy any rtx card unless you want to run 4k max settings with a 2080ti

>speccy still doesnt show proper vram
why do people use this shit?

Looks at Steve’s very next slide dumbass where he compares current market price instead of the bullshit MSRP. Spoiler alert the only thing worse than the RTX cards is Vega 64

You mean Vega 64 liquid which is like $850.
Vega 64 itself compares fine, though obviously the 56 is much better.

This guy posts this in every threads. Don't mind him.

Should I upgrade anything soon? Trying to decide if I should start planning for black Friday/Cyber Monday now.

I5-4670k @ 4.2 GHz
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM
GTX 1070
Asus PG248Q (TN, 1080p, 144Hz, G-Sync)

Mostly used for gaming. USD.

My G15 which I've been using for over 10 years and has rubber domes recently died, which switch type would be the most similar to it? What mechanical RGB keyboard do people prefer? Are there even any big difference between them other than the switches?

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>oh no it'll last 7 years instead of 10 years :^^^^^(((((((((

How (un)usable would a curved 27" 1440p be as a vertical secondary monitor if/when I buy an upgrade?

>mfw a Vega 56 Pulse on Newegg is the price of a RX580 Nitro+ in Europe.

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>lying on the internet

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We will hear about the GTX/RTX 2060 before or after RTX 2070 benchmarks?

Your CPU would bottleneck a 1060 let alone a 1070. Obviously you should upgrade it. Are you really getting solid 60fps minimums and not getting any stutters and hitches? I'm surprised if you've not noticed that, or maybe you just play super light games.

No.

>mfw 1070 went up in price $80

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Doesn't VAT make up most of the difference you get in Europe?

>Your CPU would bottleneck a 1060 let alone a 1070. Obviously you should upgrade it. Are you really getting solid 60fps minimums and not getting any stutters and hitches? I'm surprised if you've not noticed that, or maybe you just play super light games.
>A I5-4670K would bottleneck a GTX 1060 and 1070
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yea Vega 64 LC which he has at $700

good luck finding one that feels the same. my g15 finally karked a few months ago after years of abuse and i tried all the popular mechanical keyboards and none of em felt right

>curved
>vertical
dont

>Oh no it will last 1-2 years instead of 5-10 :##%(@#%(@#% shitpost greentext

Mine is not completely fucked though, just the cable that stopped working which I could probably solder. Would it be possible to transplant rubber domes like you can with other switches?

Also, which keyboard did you finally choose to go with?

the rtx cores scale, it will be 60 percent of a 2080ti in ray tracing. fuck you and your stupid opinion

>undervolting means its been abused
this is your brain on drugs, kids

Vat is around 20%
Meaning that the Dollar/Euro difference is is compensated by vat. Ie a 300$ gpu is worth 300€(330$).
There is that, then tariffs (thanks God Emperor Trump). Then the retailer tax. So count around 50-70$ more for anything bought in Europe.

I really am, user. I'm mostly playing DotA 2 these days, I get 120 FPS pretty much consistently except for when fights break out but it's nothing that bothers me. I get 144 FPS in Overwatch (I play on medium tho) and around 85 FPS in the Witcher 3. I get 144 FPS in Doom as well.

What would a worthwhile upgrade be over my current setup?

I finally bit the bullet and bought a 144Hz FreeSync and a Vega 56 today.

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300€ = 350$

>60% of 2080ti
>2080ti gets 30fps at 1080p with "RTX ON"
sounds like a great deal

i stole my brothers blackwidow ultimate 2013 edition or some shit while i try to find a worthy replacement

>lying on the internet
You're lucky that I can't find user's thinkpad benchmark of a t9900 vs an fx-9590.

>no brah, they treat their GPUS gently, not abused at all
>they undervolt it to the point of almost idle and turn off the GPUS fans and use extrnal fans to keep the original fans life fresh
how fucking gullible do you have to be.

retard

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>2 months before black friday

>i only deal in extremes
brainlet

Ok but why are you animeposting
Fuck off

i5-8400
8GB DDR4-2133 RAM (KINGSTON)
GTX 1060 3GB (EVGA)
SSD 480GB (PNY)

For gaming (not really interested in OC), photo editing and streaming. I plan to get a 144hz monitor too. Any recommendations?

Weak. Go poozen and drop more cash on gpu and ram. Get a 2600.

save $30 and get ryzen 5 2600, which will work better for streaming anyway and use that money to get 3200mhz ram. tell me your budget and location and i'll pick something up