If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >R3 2200G - HTPC, entry level, or gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 2700/X or i7 8700K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing >Intel will likely release new chips this month
RAM: >AM4 and LGA1151v2 CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 560, RX 570, RX 580 are standard choices >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and Vega 56 are standard choices >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti is a standard choice >RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
So, I'm planning to upgrade my 6600k to a 7700k My mobo is a Z170X-Gaming 5.
I read I'd need to update my mobo's bios first or it won't work with the 7700k, so I guess I can't sell the 6600k unless I do that. I never updated a bios, is it risky?, worth it?. I guess I'll look up some vids.
A socket/chipset change a year, keep the goyim in fear!
>I never updated a bios, is it risky? Not really. Just make sure you don't lose power during the flash.
Jaxon Russell
That board has dual BIOS, so no risk. The only risk for regular single bios is if there's some sort of failure or power outage while updating, but it's super unlikely.
Christian Harris
Depends on the total upgrade cost. Would be worth like another $75 extra after selling the 1050Ti. But you should probably wait for the RX670 or whatever. There's been strong rumors of a 12nm lineup coming. It makes sense since Global Foundries is not going to be making 7nm CPUs, but they and AMD likely still have some wafer supply agreement.
Eli Cook
RAM 3200C14 is the same price as the 3466C16 yet the performances seem very similar. Convince me to go with either. Ryzen 2600 + RX580 build.
>RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 2x8GB DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15
>PSU Thermaltake W0131RU Toughpower 850 AP 850W Semi-Modular Power Supply
>Case Apevia X-HARMONY-BL Mid Tower with Full-Size Acrylic Side Window, Top USB3.0/USB2.0/Audio Ports - Blue
>Storage SSD: Liteonit LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
HD: Seagate NAS HDD ST4000VN000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive
(Storage media are both carry-overs from an older PC, future upgrade is likely)
>OS Windows 10
I shopped around and came in just under $1400 USD on the build.
Josiah Wood
I'd say neither because the 5% performance gain you'd get over 3200C16 is not worth the extra $50 on a 16gb kit. I dont know if you'd even get a performance uplift with a mid range GPU anyway, most of those ryzen memory benchmarks are done with 1080tis or Vega 64s
Kayden Cook
Based, just saw the Qflash thing, ez. I'll check my firmware version first, maybe I don't even need to update. This mobo is like 2 years old only.
Cooper Reyes
Gtx 1080 for $469.99?
A 1070Ti goes for like $430 at the cheapest, I don't know if the differences, like in bandwith and CUDA cores, are enough to justify getting the 1080.
Looking to game on a 1440p monitor at 144hz.
Charles Lopez
It's fine; PSU is overkill. What monitor are you using?
Kevin Sanders
The good: I bought a 2080Ti. The bad: I have a 1080p/144hz monitor and Poozen 1600.
Should I go for 4K or change CPU and motherboard?
Jackson Young
At those prices it doesn't really matter. If you want to be cheap, you get the 1070Ti; if not, you get the 1080.
Leo Wilson
I may SLI 1080 TIs later on near the rig's EOL to get a little more performance out of it, so I kept the PSU high.
Monitors aren't anything special, 3x Sceptre X20WC-Gamer monitors, but I like to triple screen/span to them all.
Chase Ortiz
144Hz 4K with HDR
Bentley Ortiz
So with the 2080TI around the corner 4k is finally worth getting into. What are some really good 4k monitors?
oh fug, I had forgotten about the Intel ME vulnerabilities and the microcode update, did CPUs take a performance hit with it?. I'm tempted to just instal F20/F21 before these patches.
But given I upgrade in a year with a ryzen 3700x and vega156/rx680. This is a waiting™ building, and futureproofing ram seems a good thing to do.
Dominic Perry
You should proabbly wait but don't get anything more than a 570/1060 3gb level of performance because that CPU will start to bottleneck anything faster than that.
Aiden Evans
>futureproofing ram seems a good thing to do. It's not when the RAM prices are at their maximum.
Angel Reyes
Is it ever going down tho? And it seems wiser to get good ram at high price rather than get 2400-2666mhz that I'll only sell at less than half the price I bought it.
Grayson Jones
why do one of these cost so much more than the other even though they have the same storage capacity?
They will go down, it might take another year though, and i just said you can get 3200 for $50 cheaper, you dont need to go stupid. Also all RAM will be half the price if they return to the prices they were before, so if the thing you buy is $150, and the thing you want is $200, can you do that math? Point is save $50 now and put it toward a higher quality motherboard or something if you're planning to stay on the AM4 platform for a while or a better CPU cooler, those last ages.
Tyler Thompson
Personally, I'd upgrade to something that WOULD bottleneck the CPU (1070ti, 1080, wait for 20XX). So the next time you want to upgrade, you'll be looking for CPU/mobo/RAM, and don't have to worry about GPU again. There's going to be some bottleneck in either direction anyway, might as well go for something more powerful that will last longer so you don't see big bottlenecks in the other direction if you upgrade again soon.
Of course it depends on budget and your plans for the future upgrades, but that's what I'd do.
Tyler Gomez
Pro uses MLC. Same production costs of TLC but less capacity so you need to use more/bigger NAND chips to make the same capacity
Caleb Powell
Building these when my new parts arrive. One for me one for my sister.
Yeah but you've be paying a lot extra for 50% more performance now compared to 2 or 3 years down the track when a mid range gpu will probably be at least twice as fast. It's true though that balancing a build just means you have to upgrade everything next time you want more performance.
Grayson Johnson
>Removed half of the previous OP >let me make my (((own))) >muh OH NONONO I don't shill faggot Everytime. Refrain from making anymore OP in the future faggot, you're not needed
I'm using an Antec 550 Watt 80+ Bronze PSU from 2012. I'm thinking of upgrading some parts soon, I don't need additional power capacity, but is it something I should upgrade as well? I feel like it should be fine for another while, but it's not something I want to risk if the lifetime is lower than I expect.
Noah Jones
Thoughts on this build? First SFF build--going into an NCASE M1--and first new build since 2011. Wondering if there's any Mobo alternatives since I don't want/need RGB on my mobo, and also unsure about the GTX 1060 vs RX 580. I already own a 2TB 2.5" HDD for extra storage.
Right now you're better off sticking with whatever you've got because new GPUs and new CPUs are going to be coming out left and right for the foreseeable future and RAM prices are ridiculous now so upgrading your CPU will be annoying, so definitely no to the new build. Also, unless you are getting a great deal for that STRIX card, come on man, dont spend 1070 money on a 580.
Luis Powell
I wouldn't get anything more powerful than something RX 580 tier.
>Personally, I'd upgrade to something that WOULD bottleneck the CPU Fuck no. Waste of money unless he's upgrading the platform almost immediately
Intel one is pretty garbage. i3 8100 = i5 7400
>Removed half of the garbage in the previous OP Yep, seems like I am needed
Jonathan Foster
It has been going up for well over a year now and everytime some say it will go down there is a new set-back or advancement that drives the prices up again.
Average fan sound is like what 20dB which is equivalent to whispering. Not just someone whispering into your ear, but someone whispering inside a metal case about a meter away from you. I just found it funny that so many people are triggered by it.
Aaron Parker
You'll probably want to undervolt and underclock that GPU or just go nvidia because the Sapphire 580s consume nearly 980ti levels of power at their factory OC settings.
get fuck out of here, shil. been running this build on 450w psu for 6 years
David Rivera
Yeah, just pay attention to the recommended PSU wattage and ignore anything else.
Christian Cooper
With two fans you already have 23db. With four 26, with eight 29. Add to that the higher sound of the CPU cooler. It is a sound that is constant, with usually a peak in the high range, meaning anyone who isn't deaf is going to hear it. So let's say you case sits at 24db. The ambiant sound of your room being around the same meaning that you gain 3db. That's about 33% louder than "silence". On top of everything, I am a musician and occasionally need to work on sound design from home on little projects. I don't have the means or the room necessary to create an anechoic box for the case. So I'd rather get more fans at 9-10db who will keep the sound to around 16db than 3 fans+cooler at 26db. In perceived sounds(psychoacoustics), 26db sounds twice louder than 16db, while at that level, the case will only be 15-20% louder than silence. And as you said, from a meter away.
Colton Mitchell
For that price, I'd flip a coin. In terms of Cuda count (biggest performance indicator) the 1070ti is 95% of the 1080. Depending on market though it seems the 1070ti is substantially cheaper most places.
Asher Cook
1070TI has not been out for a year. Used prices are $250-$300. Zotac and PNY new prices sometimes hit $330-$350.
IMO the 1070TI seems like a 1080 chip that didnt make the 1080 cut because its so close to the 1080 compared to the 1070 and OCed 1070ti beats stock 1080 in benchmarks.
Evan Anderson
is an rx 580 8gb worth it at 200$ plus games? id pair it with an r5 1600
As long as the rails haven't drifted out of spec you'll be fine, PSUs last a long time.
I'd just upgrade if you need 8 pin pci connectors or for better efficiency, you can find gold rated evgas and seasonics on sale for $60 pretty often.
Cooper Kelly
How to choose a motherboard? I will make my first build, planning on an 8400 and a 1060 6gb, is there any point in fast ram? are some intel motherboard chipsets required for fast ram? Should I just go with the cheapest thing if I don't care about fast ram?
>the 1070TI seems like a 1080 chip that didnt make the 1080 cut because its so close to the 1080 compared to the 1070 and OCed 1070ti beats stock 1080 in benchmarks Truth. It's amazing how often they're overlooked by people in the market for a 1080, because it has a name that identifies with the much lowlier 1070.
Luis Richardson
240mm AIOs dont perform much better than the thicc 120mm ones like the H80i so you can save there. Also what are you doing getting a 6 core i5 right before the 8cores come out? Either wait for 9th gen, switch it to ryzen or just get a placeholder CPU that wont depreciate too badly like an i3 8100 or an i5 8400 since the low end 9th gen doesn't seem to be launching alongside the high end, but only if you have absolutely nothing to use in the meantime
I don't know where you found 1070Tis substantially cheaper.
I've found: Zotac AMP 1070Ti for $420 ASUS Cerberus 1070Ti $430 MSI Duke 1070Ti $432.99 GeForce Windforce 1080 for $470 MSI Armor 1080 for $470 On Amazon, to be clear.
I've seen benchmarks and 5%-7% seems to be about the average, difference, but I haven't really read about what the difference in bandwidth means, which is the only other spec the 1080 really beats the 1070Ti in.
Drop the monitor and game on your TV until you find a 1440p ultra under $200-$250. If youre trying to cut your budget drop that mobo with lesser features to something in thr $100-$125 range and use that for faster ram
Bentley Gray
I'll wait until the 2070 and 2060 drop next month, hopeful the prices of 1080s and 1070Tis drop.
I do have to buy through Amazon, which sucks because it limits my options. Currently, a couple of 1080s are at $470, while some 1070Tis are at $420-$440.
Thing is, the only other mayor difference I found between the cards is the 1080 has more bandwidth. I haven't read much on what that means, but if it could mean potentially better performance 3 years from now compared to the 1070Ti, I'll take the 1080.
Jason Kelly
kill me already got a vega 56 a month away from new gpu announcements..
Eli Lopez
>PC-011 noice
Xavier Carter
>a month away from new gpu announcements.. [citation needed]
Eli Gomez
More memory bandwidth on the 1080. GDDR5 vs GDDR5X. Sometimes offset by memory latency on the 1070ti though. performance difference in 3 years will be even more negligible than it is today.
Ryder Ramirez
What's a good big monitor? I want to play from the couch. 1080p is fine if need be
David Hughes
I'm really liking it, can't wait for 9900K and Z390's to hit.
intel prices have gone up a bit in Australia recently. 8400 was $269, now $299 That's $10 less than the 2600X, but it's for a gaming build. Does the price gap widen much when you factor in RAM and Mobo?
Easton Bell
That's happening everywhere. Intel thought demand for 14nm was going to reduce but it increased instead leading to a shortage.
Brayden Long
Is i3 8100 and 8400 vulnerable?
Asher Ross
is it expected to subside any time soon? Should I just go Ryzen, even for gaymen?
Anthony Stewart
whats your budget? do you care about gsync?
Bentley Gomez
>ryzen for gaming NO!
Jackson Jenkins
Fuck that I heard you're gonna get 130fps instead of 140 fuck ryzen it's so trash.
Robert Sanders
It'll probably take a bit to recover. Intel has taken quick action to bring production up, but you can't just turn money into CPUs, it'll probably take a month or 2 for it to have an effect on the market.
John Rogers
more like 85 fps with ryzen
Easton Ross
let's say maybe AUD$400, don't care about sync, even 60Hz is fine really
Owen Long
That's right buddy everyone knows ryzen gets at best half the fps of superior intel
John Campbell
How big a monitor do you expect to get with $400AUD?
Ethan Turner
maybe 32"? I can push the budget further if need be
Ryan Anderson
check how much the LG - 32MA68HY-P is for you in australia if thats too expensive (it doesnt show the price) then you dont have a lot of options because of australians jewing the computer prices, you can get au.pcpartpicker.com/product/77ckcf/benq-monitor-gl2760h for your budget, 27" is the biggest monitor you can get with that budget (its still a pretty good monitor)
totally understand your decision. For me I went ahead and purchased a 1070ti because I'm using it on a 7th gen intel and for that reason I just plan on replacing the entire build with something better in 3-5 years.
If the 1080 drops in price when the 20 series does and you can future proof a few more years that's understandable but I'm just giving you my reason why I went with the 1070ti
