I'm back to Linux guys, installing Debian on an old netbook as we speak

On a semi-related note...
OP do you plan on ricing (if debian is even riceable)
and does anyone have any links or info on how to rice? I’m also running Debian on a thinkpad T410 and think ricing sounds bretty gud

ricing is just customizing your desktop to look pretty
there's no "way to rice"
check out Luke Smith on youtube, he has some stuff, and I'm pretty sure he lurks here

wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
reddit.com/r/unixporn/

Minimalism in a computer is attractive to me, but probably in a different way from the suckless people.

I'd like to have only packages I need and not have extra functions and stuff, but I don't really see how systemD or having a wm with config files are a bad thing.

Btw, since you guys seem like a helpful bunch: What is the best way to get help with debian? A certain forum? The official wiki? So far it has been kinda hit and miss with the questions I had.

Yeah, I do plan on ricing to make the system more lightweight and snappier on the crappy hardware, also to optimize my workflow. I'm installing Xfce right now, but as I said, I want to switch to a tiling wm when I'm ready.

>debian
shit taste kys

dude, Debian is gre-
>fucking triple dubs
yeah ok then

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I think the difference lies in where you want things to be minimal; on what perspective should the cognitive load be smaller: the conceptual level, the implementation, the graphical interface etc.
Fucking around with these machines easily leads to deep stuff.

>What is the best way to get help with debian?
I mostly use Google for random stuff with 'debian' attached to the search query, but their wiki helps, and when it doesn't, the Arch wiki helps.

what makes you say that?

Debian always seemed to me to be alright and the complaints about old packages miss the point of stable.

I really like it being stable. I can't think of an innovation I really needed in the last 10 years. I'd still use 2008's firefox or opera if it was useable today.

First row of questions. Am I understanding it correctly that I don't need the synaptic package manager and that I can use the terminal to manage my packages?

How do I find out how many packages are installed?

You can do everything from the terminal using the apt tool. wiki.debian.org/Apt

I believe you can list all installed packages with apt list --installed.

Do also man apt. Man pages are awesome.

Use OpenBox window manager.

You can definitely use terminal for package management.
>sudo apt update
>sudo apt upgrade
and you're done. You can also search for packages by doing
>apt search [keyword]

This will list all your packages but if you want to have a number then do
>apt list --installed | wc --lines

thanks, always wondered how to read manpages. now i know

why?

yep, this kinda works. I want to know a number, though. Like the people on Jow Forumsunixporn show on their neofetch

I'm also wondering how to install neofetch. Do I understand it correctly, that it is not in the debian repositories and that I need to add a new source?

How do I add the pipe character? And am I actually supposed to type it or does it signify something else?

>"if debian is even riceable"
Why wouldn't it be.
>ricing is just customizing your desktop to look pretty
Not really. Ricing is just sacrificing functionality for aesthetic. Your aesthetic could be really ass ugly on purpose, still a rice.

so since i3 is the most function wm I've ever used, and my customization to it doesn't degrade the functionality in any way
is it even rice?

>How do I add the pipe character? And am I actually supposed to type it or does it signify something else?
I have a different layout than most here so I don't know how you get that, but it should be possible right from the keyboard. You have to type it, it pipes the command into a different command that comes after it. Try doing only the command before pipe and then with also the pipe command after it. It looks different on your terminal.

Neofetch is in the Debian repositories since Debian Stretch (which is the stable right now) packages.debian.org/stretch/neofetch so sudo apt install neofetch should install it.

For things that are not in the default Debian repositories you can either add third-party repositories or install it some other way.

>How do I add the pipe character? And am I actually supposed to type it or does it signify something else?
You're supposed to type it. It means the output of the previous program is 'piped' into the input of the next program.

>i3
>most functional
You seem to misunderstand. i3 removes core functionality in favor of aesthetic, which makes it a rice.
Notice how i3 removes window buttons? In favor of a clean window, you removed the ability to minimize, maximize, and exit your window. That is a rice.

but I can minimize, maximize, and exit my window with keybinds
in my view, it's actually more function AND more form

>as we speak
but we aren't speaking, you fucking retard

Personally, it takes me two seconds or so to press a keybind and make it respond.
It takes me a little under a second to quickly jerk my mouse upwards and click the 'x' button.
That is sacrificing functionality for aesthetic, fren.

>moving your hands from the keyboard
lol amateur

Sometimes its fun to do things by just keyboard.

Alright, thanks! Neofetch is installed and tells me I have 1368 packages installed. Any tips on how to search and destroy packages I don't need?

I know it might be pointless, but it is something I want to learn.

I hate window decorations and doing these things with key bindings is more attractive to me than using the mouse.

1368 isn't that many packages on debian.
I have 900 and that's an extremely minimal install

I like to lay my left hand on my chair's left arm rest. It's comfy.
Sacrificing functionality for fun is also pretty much ricing.
>"i hate convenient functionality! i wanna make things har

>"der for myself so i can have an attractive desktop!"
This is how rices are born.

>I know it might be pointless, but it is something I want to le

How is it harder to press Super+Q instead of moving the mouse to a little x and clicking?

apt search and apt remove. As far as knowing what is not essential you would have to get to know what each package does, so just read about each of them. Not a pointless endeavor.

You can replace 'ricing' by just 'customizing'.

It isn't harder per say, it's just a second's more work, making it not as convenient, and technically more difficult. Making it a rice.
I am a convenience and functionality man myself.

one thing I can recommend is that when you're installing packages, add the --no-install-recommends flag, otherwise it will install a bunch of "dependencies" that it doesn't actually need.

I don't think that i3 sacrifices any function, and I also disagree with your definition of rice requiring a sacrifice of function.
I think any desktop you spent too much time on making it look nice is "rice"

to me using the mouse takes more time than using the keyboard

I have a very aesthetic setup customization that doesn't sacrifice functionality. Installing new themes, icon packs, desktop environments, etc. to match a general aesthetic theme are the way to go to achieve functionality and aesthetic.

The line that separates aesthetic and functionality is subjective and contextual.
There isn't a good consensus if mouse-based or keyboard-based UIs are superior. Depends on the user.

Then it is a not a rice.
It is all person to person. If I were to use i3, it would be a rice. For you? I guess not.
No, the term 'ricing' dates back to decades ago when assholes used to soup up their cars with shit that barely worked with the car and affected it's overall performance to make the car look cool or go needlessly faster.

Exactly. Which is why we shouldn't jump and say "that's a rice!". If you know that using keyboard is slower for them yet they are using i3, you can get in their ear and scream "WHAT ARE YOU RICING FOR YOU FUCKING AUTIST".

get the non free firmware iso, it has all the firmware you could need on your machine. Wireless cards mostly
don't use openbox it needs a config so that it can behave like gnome's wm at least. If you are going to be that lightweight better use i3 which has cool keybinds
heck don't watch the package count, most are shared libraries, check the packages with aptitude, you can see them by categories. Then you know for sure if you really don't need them

Was your test successful desu

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you configure awesomewm with a lua api. so you still need to know some programming to configure it well. if you want an easy to configure WM go with either I3 or openbox both are great and lightweight compared to a full DE.
Still awesomewm is great because you can configure fucking everything about it. If your willing to learn even a bit of programming Id say its worth it.Still hands down my favorite WM.