When will this meme die?

data center guys

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orange shirts since TNG

ops are always incompetent desu, unless it's a devops environment

You're thinking about this the wrong way. They are making the devs also do ops for the same pay.

in a competent company, it's when ops works as dev. elsewhere it's when devs works as ops

>t. never had a real job

>When will company realize paying dev salaries to ops idiots is a 100% waste of money?
This is not what happens.
This is what it's really like:
>management offshores all development to Pajeet
>former developers now get to do "ops" which means they deploy and somehow get POO working
>fire most of the sysadmins except for a very few specialists like database people

why would they pay various positions in devops the same salaries?

>Guess who they hire for devops roles?
Hopefully ops people who know how to code because too many SE's don't know shit about systems.

What I deserve is what the market will pay me for my skills.
You're just butt-hurt I don't have a mountain of student loan debt, and make more money than you because my skills are in demand and there's a deluge of idiots to step up and replace you. or worse your shit get's off-shored.
Ops will still be here, someone has to deploy your shit, and put out the fires it causes.
Most of us could do your job too, but it's boring.

different user here; for real, what do you do as a devops person? genuinely interested, if you want to explain. Thanks

>t. someone who has never had to deploy "scalable big data cloud blah blah blah software".
The code pushed out by most companies is so shit and depends on so many moving parts (all of which will break far too easily) that people who can actually make it run is effectively a requirement these days.

Automation of deployment, and management of systems.

The place I work deals with big data processing clusters so we build out and manage hadoop and apache spark clusters. and we build tools to automate this process.

We also monitor health and performance of systems and coordinate physical repairs when needed (hard drives mostly). And build tools to assist with that.

We manage network infrastructure and ensure the security of the network, and the systems that live on it.

We maintain the CI system (jenkins), and provide developers tools to help them test their code so that by the time it gets to production it's stable.

We decide on the underlying hardware for things.

It's basically a Sysadmin with a stronger emphasis on building tools and systems that run themselves (think config management and orchestration [chef, puppet, saltstack, ansible]) But it's also about monitoring and metrics to make sure the systems are performing as expected and are being properly utilized.

We also try to bridge the gap between ops and developers, it's about maintaining communication with other teams and making sure all needs are being meet.

Also all sorts of things in "the cloud" which today means AWS, but could also be DO, or Azure.

If you're really interested take a look at the google SRE (site reliability engineer) book
landing.google.com/sre/book.html
It's the current hotness in dev-ops implementations.
It's kind of googly but in broad strokes that's what a lot of successful devops organizations are striving for.

when will you realize that devops is a hip name that companies came up with to underpay sysadmins?

What the fuck is an ops

thanks a lot for this; i'm going to have an internship which is devops based so I needed some pointers, and you've made it more clear and interesting. ty again

sad and reallifepilled

The fuck is devops?

devops is where companies save money by firing the sysadmins and making the developers do that work. They generally do it poorly, but they generally do development poorly, also, and companies are usually okay with that.

no, user, not underpay. Fire. The goal is to get rid of the sysadmin and lower headcount. Each employee comes with a ton of overhead, you'd rather get rid of some entirely in preference to just paying them less.

Devops is just the concept of developers being responsible for the operability of the shit they make. Honestly with some of the completely inoperable shit I've seen developers create, its a 100% necessary movement.

Something in the middle between a developer and a system administrator.

DevOps dude here.

Basically programming is becoming a retardfest with your Javascript memes. So someone who isn't retarded needs to be on the ops side of things. Mostly Linux related stuff and automation of said stuff. Also nowadays lots of Cloud work. But overall pretty easy.

I'm also a former C programmer.

based

>devs in charge of the operations part

Asking for a dumpster fire.

>/g doesn’t know what devops is
No wonder, you need a real job in a company that isn’t a startup to actually need and use it

from what I've seen Devops is 90% just dealing with some stupid fucking random issues with jenkins or docker or kubernetes.

Nah, you set it up once and it works. It’s the developers who are trash

I think the sysadmin job is mostly overrated. the expect a large pay for a relative meager amount of work. Pshh ,$6k a month for tying less than 100 lines of code, a pajeet will do that for a $60 bonus.

t.millionaire boomer

>sysadmin
>write code

we'd rather leave the code monkey work for the pajeets. thank you.

>you now remember devops199

This. Happened at my place. Now I'm stuck building Jenkins pipelines and listening to Pajeet bitch because his shit code doesn't pass unit or smoke test.

You forgot
>watch everything turn to shit

the "sysadmin" job can range from engineering the entire IT infrastructure for a huge company to showing cranky old ladies how to change font size in word

You're underpaid. New grad SRE here, earning 180K total comp this year, first year of work.

what kind of pay can i expect with this experience?
junior to mid dba experience (5 years, some postgres and oracle experience)
5 mid to advanced years puppet experience (setup the environment, create architecture, manage jboss, apache and other things)
3 junior to mid ansible (orchestrate some basic stuff)
i may or may not have a masters at the time of employment (still working on it)