General Question: Is Swift a good programming language?
Elaboration: Would mobile programming in swift be easy/enjoyable as someone who's background is mainly C/C++/Python (with some Java and JavaShit derivatives)
I've been thinking about it more and more and the syntax doesn't look all that bad but I haven't actually dove into it with how busy my current workload is. Is it something that would be beneficial/fun to do?
The other part of the question is how well does it benchmark against other languages, in terms of the abstraction vs. performance tradeoff. Like how Python abstracts a lot of under-the-hood stuff in order to be written as a clean and easy-to-read language, whereas if you program in C and C++ sacrifice you readability for the ability to hyper-optimize your code and have it run extremely well.
Also forgot to mention this but I remember trying to program with Android and it was absolutely abominal
Joseph Evans
well designed language in a shitty ecosystem. Heck even the core library is bad because it has to please the obj-C faggots.
Juan Sullivan
It could have been nice if it didn't have all this stupid Objective C baggage.
Carter Nguyen
TO BE FAIR the iOS ecosystem is probably better than Android's software wise. Yea sure Android is kinda cool but the fact that they use bloated fucking java for everything ruins everything, whereas iOS had a sort of a limited design range (if you dont consider iPads and the X+ devices)
Jaxson Baker
swift, why claiming cross-platform, only works properly in apple OSs, which is a huge minus since other languages (even java) can work in a huge range of environments.
Jayden Morgan
It has Ubuntu ports for server-side backend purpose.
Nicholas Williams
You need blind everything from even haskell,scheme or Ocaml had better support.
Caleb Turner
yea but im talking about strictly iOS programming
Also we see that when we generalize for any devices we generally experience poorer performance especially in Java's case
Hudson Phillips
What sort of madman would want to use Swift for backend server code
Jackson Martinez
Yes, Swift is good design. But iOS is huge amount libraries over small set language.
Swift get decent performance but usually high performance need use UnSafePointer and special memory handler to avoid ARC.
Easton Diaz
Yes, it even has an unofficial windows port.
Yet I have never ever seen anything written by swift for those environment.
Brandon Reyes
>yea but im talking about strictly iOS programming Then use it. You only have two choices anyway. And Obj-C sucks.
Your best choice in the Apple ecosystem. Completely pointless outside of it.
Joseph Robinson
Yes. I have been using it at work for about a year for iOS/MacOS programming. It's much faster and comfier than objc. Be warned that the community is rust-tier, the tooling is shit, and that ABI stability isnt coming until April.
Apparently after Swift 5 is released they are going to be focused on better linux support and better support for avoiding ARC so that it can become a systems programming language, but I'm not holding my breath.
Cooper Allen
What Objective C baggage does it have? Do you mean cocoa? I thought they removed all the old stuff from the syntax and standard library a couple of years ago
Adam Powell
Portable way is to bridge to the c code and just call the same functions with the same parameters. If you're on macOS, you can just use NWListener from Network.framework, developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/715/
Eli Phillips
>And Obj-C sucks It really doesn't. If you don't code like a five-year-old, it's still faster than Swift, not to mention the compile times.
Blake King
It's wholly dependent on the objective-c runtime
Kevin Gray
Except that it runs completely without it on linux.
