>The contrast to the best Android SoCs have to offer is extremely stark – both in terms of performance as well as in power efficiency. Apple’s SoCs have better energy efficiency than all recent Android SoCs while having a nearly 2x performance advantage. I wouldn’t be surprised that if we were to normalise for energy used, Apple would have a 3x performance efficiency lead.
>What is quite astonishing, is just how close Apple’s A11 and A12 are to current desktop CPUs. I haven’t had the opportunity to run things in a more comparable manner, but taking our server editor, Johan De Gelas’ recent figures from earlier this summer, we see that the A12 outperforms a Skylake CPU. Of course there’s compiler considerations and various frequency concerns to take into account, but still we’re now talking about very small margins until Apple’s mobile SoCs outperform the fastest desktop CPUs in terms of ST performance.
Wasted hardware on a fisher toy OS with 0 hardware intensive apps.
Camden Butler
Powering that screen is pretty hardware intensive
Robert James
>a mobile chip eating like 5 watts >ever coming close to a desktop CPU using 60W+ That's either a revolution or a lie. I think we both know which it is.
Ryder James
Bullshit
Logan Collins
Since it's Apple, I'm going for revolution.
Luke Lewis
they are actually comparing the single thread performance to a 56 thread 165w server cpu
absolute shills
Kevin Davis
why is normal usage so shit then, compared to some dogshit chinkphones? where does the performance go?
Colton Jones
What’s poor about the normal usage?
Camden Peterson
All that beautiful hardware wasted in gay porn and Instagram.
Gabriel Harris
And yet iOS still feels slow. Incredible.
Leo Martin
If that's so then why does the newest iPhone XS max lag so hard compared to chinkshit android?
I'd be more impressed if they rewrite macOS for ARM and ship macbooks with the AXX or whatever.
Then I'd honestly consider buying a mbp
Tyler Carter
It's slower at basic things like this. How is this possible even though android is supposed to be worse as well on the software side?
Parker Mitchell
sure since it's arm let's install windows on it then and see how long it takes to render a video in premiere vs let's say a decade old q6600
ill make the assumption the a12 will finish about a week later
Kayden Moore
They have ridiculously slow animation for some fucking reason
Brandon Thomas
Because apple can't sustain their performance. The A12 is no doubt fast but it has overheating and thermal throttling problems like all apple processors.
No they don't, the chips just thermal throttle too quickly. You can tell because the iPhone XS max still beats the note 9 yet it bombs when confronted with the oneplus 6.
Kevin Reyes
why do people still care about the performance of a smartphone in >2018 it's all fast enough for basic tasks. what do you do besides facebook and grindr that needs that much performance?
Tyler Thomas
>but still we’re now talking about very small margins until Apple’s mobile SoCs outperform the fastest desktop CPUs in terms of ST performance. No they don't, gookbench is a terrible benchmark by itself and even worse across different cpu architectures. You're also not taking the thermal throttling into account apple chips suffer from.
Nathan Roberts
My GPU outperforms my CPU in raw performance. Doesn’t mean it translates into anything practically usable.
Brandon Ward
Reaching the IPC of a decade old x86 chip is not that impressive when you can throw transistors at your design like crazy. Being more energy efficient than a snapdragon 845 is nothing fancy either when you consider that it's fagebbed on 7 instead of 10nm.
Gabriel Russell
>You can now browse FB faster than on a PC!
Golly gee, that's it, I'm throwing my PC into the trash!!
Strange post. Better stuff isn’t impressive because it’s better?
Hudson Young
Anandtech use outdate Spec2006 and usijg cooling system for iphone test.
Brayden Rivera
Which part of it is it that you have problems understanding? Just building a wider design to increase IPC is relatively easy but something you can't do to that extent when building server/desktop chips. And fabbing your chip on a better node than the old chips you compare it to is not apples accomplishment at all but TSMCs. And something every future snapdragon, exynos, kirin flagship SoC will use too.
Blake Cruz
since you ask.. i run ffmpeg inside termux to encode flacs from rutracker into opus to save space higher performance means i need to wait less until the encoder has finished
Nathan Bell
THANK YOU BASED APPLE
Samuel Lee
sounds neat, but 99.99% of the normalfags don't care about flac, since they are using beats headsets anyway. so why do they care?
Sebastian King
HOW WILL THE LAGDROIDS EVER RECOVER?
Adrian Wright
>He actually thinks a mobile soc is faster then a desktop CPU Fucking kek
Xavier Rodriguez
heres some food for thought >its not optimized >assets are higher resolution on apple than poodroid
Joshua King
but iphones always have a lower resolution display
>we see that the A12 outperforms a Skylake CPU i don't give a shit about intel but goybench is a fucking abortion of a benchmarking tool and should be removed
Nicholas Fisher
That's great! guess what though, I don't need that kind of performance in a damn phone!
Justin Perry
>5 years ago >"lol iphone is so shit it has a dual core and 1gb of ram my android phone has a quad core and 3gb lol welcome to 2012 itards"
>now >"psh y-yeah who needs that kind of performance in a phone anyway..."
Luis Russell
If apple made a vr headset it would shit over ocucklus. They don't though, they made custom silicon to accelerate animated emojis.
Asher King
>using a smartphone as a thick client
You’re a fucking pretentious retard
William Sanders
Your mom was my thick client last night
Jeremiah James
I suppose a number of applications which were considered important in the decision didn't support integer vectorization, but were expected to scale well with threading. This is speculation on my part, with no inside knowledge. SPEC 2006 is still considered important for marketing, and has practically no integer vectorization. SPECrate, at least, benefits from multiple cores. Evolution toward a wider group of applications for which platforms will be designed is slow. Hardware designers recognize the need to prepare for the applications which will be important 5 years in the future, in time to make many of these decisions, but there's a lack of useful data.
>Android: Toolchain: NDK r16 LLVM compiler, Flags: -Ofast, -mcpu=cortex-A53 >-mcpu=cortex-A53 The closest optimal mcpu target for kryo/sd835,845 is cortex-a57, cortex-a53 is for power efficiency and not performance, and yes it does make a huge difference. Not to mention that llvm is shit when it comes to performance. Rerun the test with linaro's gcc and target cortex-a57 instead.
Zachary Ross
>Andreet wants to move the goalposts Typical.
Owen Powell
iToddlers use it to try to justify their horrible financial decisions. I would personally never spend more than $200 a fucking phone.
Brody Gomez
If you made good financial decisions you could afford an iPhone. But you live in a smelly corner of Delhi
I can't believe people still take displaymate seriously when they've rated LCD panels with worse measured color accuracy over objectively superior OLED screens
Samuel Diaz
>Using compiler for small cache L1,L2,in order and 2 width instead of large cache,large buffer,out order and 6 width executor.
Except I have 20K in stocks, all credit cards paid off, 50k in savings, and 3 rental properties but I'm just too poor to afford an iPhone anybody with a minimum wage job can afford, right?
Oh look another pre-prepared shillpost. How much they paying you? 2 cents per post?
Alexander Torres
>"l-l-leave aplel alone ;_;" Look mate iPhones are literally dogshit, just accept that and move on. Even if I was stupid enough to toss $1,000 on a fucking phone why would it be an iPhone? They lag very hard and then violently detonate in your face.
Autor must use A53 for every processor or specific optimization for every cpu.
Wyatt James
You can market something real or against something you fucker.
A shill is a paid marketer who breaks the law by not revealing their employers in their marketing materials.
Kevin Bennett
In Xcode, Apple ships a closed-source version of clang, which in turn has a closed-source version of LLVM (it seems like Xcode 9's LLVM forks off of LLVM 5?). Apple's clang/LLVM generally includes stability enhancements that would otherwise potentially cause problems for developers. I'm not sure what the benefits are of using Rust's current LLVM, e.g. it can be newer than Apple's, but Apple's clang is a really safe bet and seems a good thing to use by default. Some of these platform-specific issues can manifest in weird and very difficult to diagnose ways, e.g. random restarts, that it would be good to save developers from.
Right but he's not going "buy X android" he's just showing a very underreported problem if iPhone battery failures. Would I be a shill for stainless steel cookware if I showed multiple cast iron thermal readings showing a cold spot in the center?
Aaron Brooks
He's not even shilling just saying iPhones aren't worth it for the price which everyone here unanimously agrees. Even IF iPhones were faster than $500 chink trash phones it still doesn't justify their exorbitant pricing.
Carter Carter
Yes because Samsung was caught posting negative things about other brands to drive them to themselves.
Caleb Gonzalez
ARM cores are a LOT smaller than x86. This translates directly into either massively higher core count (server chips) or tiny power usage.
Parker Torres
Meant for
Chase Kelly
>Apple is magically literally doubling the performance versus a close competitor in the same field, putting similar amounts into R&D of the same technology >And also about to overtake physically larger, less heat constrained desktop chips that can draw several times as much power X DOUBT
Oliver Turner
>termux has ffmpeg packaged >iToddlers can't even open webms How will Apple ever recover?
iOS is so limited and locked down, and unless you're going to compromise your security and install a chinese botnet app store you're not even going to have basic stuff like Clover.
I guess games will tax the processor, but mobile games are made for the lowest common denominator so they won't push the limits of the A12, and even if they did it would heat up.
Parker Gutierrez
>goybench said the A12 got 27k GoyBoyPoints vs the 32k GoyBoyPoints on my *GateBookPro with Spectre-Insyde Thats it, it proves it Apple is the GOAT tech company. It couldn't be benchmark fixing and comparing apples to oranges. This is how they are trying to justify putting ARM chips in all the new MacBooks and shit, by pushing a huge positive PR campaign.
Kevin Anderson
>If that's so then why does the newest iPhone XS max lag so hard compared to chinkshit android? Word.
Landon Thompson
>-1.webm Fuck off back to 8gay.
Nicholas Cox
Yeah this. If apple is so fucking far ahead of the competition then why does it lose to it irl? Also oled and the shitty lightning connector was a mistake.
But at least my Xiaomi Pakiphone Fart1 with curry inside isn’t some stupid iToy right?
Brody Long
mad
Alexander Stewart
Nobody said android doesn't cheat you mong, that's the point - you can cheat therefore benchmark is worthless.
Austin Rodriguez
Why did you even consider applel's claims can even remotely be true? It's all bs they made up to justify switching from x86 to ARM.
David Martinez
>needing to open it in another app instead of playing it inside the browser Nice innovation and ease of use
Alexander Evans
>wanting bloated apps that do everything badly instead of specialised apps that do things well Your post literally defends feature creep lol
John Sanders
damn bruh you still use the first galaxy note lol that shit is old how are you posting
Anthony Ortiz
Just
def CortexA53Model : SchedMachineModel { let MicroOpBufferSize = 0; // Explicitly set to zero since A53 is in-order. let IssueWidth = 2; // 2 micro-ops are dispatched per cycle. let LoadLatency = 3; // Optimistic load latency assuming bypass. // This is overriden by OperandCycles if the // Itineraries are queried instead. let MispredictPenalty = 9; // Based on "Cortex-A53 Software Optimisation // Specification - Instruction Timings" // v 1.0 Spreadsheet let CompleteModel = 1;
list UnsupportedFeatures = [HasSVE]; }
def ExynosM3Model : SchedMachineModel { let IssueWidth = 6; // Up to 6 uops per cycle. let MicroOpBufferSize = 228; // ROB size. let LoopMicroOpBufferSize = 40; // Based on the instruction queue size. let LoadLatency = 4; // Optimistic load cases. let MispredictPenalty = 16; // Minimum branch misprediction penalty. let CompleteModel = 1; // Use the default model otherwise.
list UnsupportedFeatures = [HasSVE];
// FIXME: Remove when all errors have been fixed. let FullInstRWOverlapCheck = 0; }
>Standard feature of any web browser is "feature creep" and "bloat" Now instead of playing it in browser, I have to download and install a new app. Nice bloat retard
John Kelly
Never looked back to iOS. I'm on a XZ2 compact now.
Aiden Barnes
Yeah, better remvoe displaying .jpg, .png, .gif from browsers, you got the gallery app for that after all
Aiden Jenkins
What are your top 5 most used apps on the ZX2? Any problems with them?
Sebastian Roberts
>"speed"tests Here's why they prove nothing, poodroid cucks youtu.be/W68nuVxOXaE
William Davis
Brave Browser Clover Telegram Amazon Fucking angry birds match. No issues at all.
William Ross
It's not slower also that's not a cpu test you retard fagdroid.
Also those "youtubers" cheat so much because they try to appeal to the fagdroid viewership in India.
Specially the fake Twitter test where they open the real App on iOS and the web app on Android.
