I'm considering getting a prebuilt NAS to store my animæ

A prebuilt NAS can do that and more.

Plus a dedicated NAS can do raid, what i'm asking is there a software that configures my disks into an NAS setup without having to invest in a dedicated NAS?

no thanks

How would i go about it?

What more can it do? Install freeNAS if you want more features like that. OP seems to want the easiest thing possible.

>How would i go about it?
Get an extra nic if you need it, start adding as many hard drives as you can, and pick whatever nas os that tickles your pickle.

Looks quite interesting and not too expensive for a 4 disk NAS. Also 2x external USB 3.0 and gigabyte ethernet are serious pros compared to other ARM boards. Only this Cortex-A9 based CPU is pretty dated.

I think he meant œnimæ

>No hard drive vibration dampening
I pass

Put FreeNAS on an old computer. It will basically as easy to use as a prebuilt NAS and you'll have FAR more flexibility.

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How much anime? I have an odroid with a 2tb drive for my nas. Cost about 120 USD to throw it up

And about 20x or more energy consumption.

>I have to pay $60 a year instead of $6 a year to run my server
>I also leave the lights on all the time
You can easily buy low power hardware, even an ARM board to run something like FreeNAS, provided it has enough processing power.

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I run a self-made NAS that's made from my old computer. Enough PCI lanes to support like 20 HDDs, (only got 8 at the moment), running ubuntu server, mdadm software RAID 6, etc etc. Runs anything.
A NAS is just network attached storage. Prebuilt ones lack versatility. Make one yourself and you can do anything with it. RAID, meme filesystems, whatever.

Personally I share the files with samba and also use it as a web server (on a VM). It also hosts a fuckton of other services but that's all gravy. I can VPN into the network from anywhere in the world and access the data on my NAS, it's nice.

Behold the ultimate NAS, I'm using a chink board with a J1900 quad core, 8Gb of ram and 14 sata ports, it also has USB3, HDMI and VGA.

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I have this Asus AT3ION-T sitting around with 4GB DDR3.

I've thought about building a NAS out of it but FreeNAS requires 8GB minimum and I'm not sure if I'll be limited by the 4x SATA 3GBps.
I also don't have a case for it and all the 4bay NAS ITX cases cost a fuck ton of money.

What OS should I run on it? Is it still worth putting together?
I thought I'd get something like a CM Elite 120 Advanced if I was to put it together.

How much does that setup cost

Looks gay

You don't need FreeNAS. The large RAM is mostly for meme filesystems, and the requirement is only for optimal performance. Any operating system that can run Mdadm can be a nas.

>mdadm
deprecated, no bit rot protection

My file server with 4 HDDs and 1 SSD idles at 60W (With drives spinning). Doubt a factory made NAS will be noticeably better when you consider that a HDD requires about 5-10W. Many of the ready made NAS units use generic intel hardware too, and aren't that much more efficient than my E3 1220l v3.

I run a 10TB NAS with FreeNAS on a Core 2 Duo E6600 with 5GB of RAM. It works fine. The "requirements" aren't necessary, though you're better off meeting them of course.

building your own NAS is a Jow Forums meme for unemployed neets
it uses times the power of a dedicated NAS and is a huge waste of time to come close to the out-of-the-box functionality of one
unless you're the 1% who know exactly what they're doing ( you're not since you made this thread) jist get a synology or whatever and forget about it

$100 USD for the board, $20 for the case, $5 for the aluminum sheet (ceiling tiles spacers).

>unless you're the 1% who know exactly what they're doing ( you're not since you made this thread)
How do expect OP to ever learn something without even trying.

>this much hassle when prebuild does everything for you without you having to fuck around for a week trying to optimize some ghetto NAS

If I'm just going to JBOD what's stopping me from plugging in an 8bay USB 3.0 external into my RT-AC68U's USB3.0 port and serving that?

synology 418j. then buy 8tb WD easystores when they are on sale for $150 or less. shuck the drives and put them into the synology. it's easy to shuck and there are videos and pics of the process.

What about the storage? How many TBs to do you have in it?

What are you talking about? The only "fucking around" I did was setting up a few jails to do tasks I want.

Yourself.

Exactly. Low power hardware or ARM board, not just some old computer.

What do you have there except HDDs? 60W is not a terrible result, but could be much better.

If you like the Synology OS you could always get a "黑群晖" USB stick which is basically a chink pirated Synology OS that works with your own hardware.

They are currently on version 6.1~6.2

Currently 10TB(8TB usable), gonna expand to 20TB soon, I also put an 250GB SSD as cache drive so I have near 100% ARC hit ratio, the disks spin down after 5 minutes so unless is a write request they are usually sleeping. Jails reside on a 60Gb msata drive so it doesn't disturb the main pool too.

Gonna try encryption on my next pool to see how this CPU performs.

don't lie

it's way easier for someone like OP to get something that works out of the box instead of some ghetto nas setup that chews more power and is in no way easy to set up compared to a built NAS, plus if OP has issues up he can always look at the myriad of forums online for support

Have you ever used FreeNAS? It's the basically same shit as you get with a prebuilt NAS, just less shitty.

>not just some old computer
You would probably have to run that old computer for 5 years before you notice the cost difference in power consumption.

Why the fuck would you encrypt thst you fucking retard?, stop downloading so much cp user

only thing he'll learn from wasting his money is to not do it again

it takes a few years to figure out exactly what you need and a lot more to pick the right tools for the job

Asrock rack motherboard. Nothing special. Seasonic G360 power supply. No addon cards. 60W is not terrible for something that is in use. Board also has IPMI which requires power (tho not much). Currently have 6TB Ironwolf drives which are a bit more power demanding, but my power use wasn't much better when I had 4TB WD Red drives.

Encryption by default is just good security

>look mom I posted it again

at the expense of usability

When working 24/7 just 10W makes almost 90 kWh difference per year. I'd say it's enough to rather invest in a better base hardware, an actual NAS or something like this

Is actually to store backups, lots of private keys and certs for work servers too, I mean the private key for my CA is sitting on thumb drive right now.

>it takes a few years to figure out exactly what you need
Imagine being this much of a brainlet.

The problem is more that it's an always on, static system. If you need to store sensitive data it's better to have an encrypted image that is mounted on demand.

FDE your mobile devices? Yes. Every time. FDE an always-on server? If it gets compromised physically it's toast anyway. It's basically an edge case that it'd be useful. You should be keeping it in a locked area.

It's a trade-off but there really isn't too big a hit to usability when it comes to read/write
Fair enough

I advise against this
I've literally had 2 NAS boxes fail in 2 years, plus they're pretty slow
If you've got an gayman old PC, you could just install something like FreeNAS or a headless Linux

Is bit rot just a meme? or does this only apply to storage sizes larger than 2TB? Every time i ask about ZFS vs ext4 most people say ZFS is not worth it

>imagine being this much of a (((consumer)))

OMV or Nas4Free?
Looking for lightweight and maybe personal cloud.

Is very real, specially without ECC memory, the scariest part is that is silent corruption, you don't know you're fucked until you need to pull the data.

>build your own for cheap
>being a consumer
Now this gotta be bait.

If you are not a poorfag and just want to get shit running without wasting a day or more of your time, the QNAP and Synology consumer offerings are good though admittedly entering price gouging territory. Consider 5 bay models so you have room for RAID5/6-style redundancy and/or growing your volume over time from an initial smaller drive pool.

Bought a cheap buffalo nas a while back. Added 2 seagate 2TB ironwolves and it's running smoothly, quietly, easily, while barely using any power, and it didn't cost a lot.
And as far as the "can't get back data if it breaks" argument goes, it just uses xfs, so you can restore them on any other machine.
It may not have a ton of utilities, but if a nas is all you need, it's great.

>getting a prebuilt NAS
you should absolutely not do this. something goes wrong with the motherboard or psu or something down the line and you're fucked

this is good advice

if you use a off-the-shelf motherboard and parts and linux mdadm for your NAS and something goes wrong with the PSU or motherboard or whatever down the line then you'll just need ANY working motherboard with SATA connectors and ANY linux distribution to access all your data.

If you buy a proprietary NAS then you may find that you need to get another identical proprietary NAS or special custom parts for the one you have to recover the data. The NAS you have and parts for it may not be available 5 years down the road. A system capable of running Linux with SATA ports will be.

So is there still any point to use ZFS without ECC memory?

I fucked around with NAS's over the years but they're just so fucking slow and expensive. I ultimately gave up and got a multi-bay usb3 enclosure. It's just 4 harddrives in a box with 1 usb cable hanging from it. how easy can it be.

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Scrubbing your ZFS stores regularly will prevent this issue.

I got a 4TB WDMyCloud from Costco years ago for dirt fucking cheap and it's still working extremely well. I have my porn, tv shows, comics, and other shit on there.

I feel ya, I'm just running 2*8bay USB 3.0 external enclosures directly connected to my computer.

Trying do a 16drive NAS would just be an expensive sinkhole with no tangible benefits as I have no other machines to serve to.

So scrubbing on mdadm or zfs can prevent bitrotting? or is this only a zfs thing?

Get the fuck out of g

A challenger approaches
i7 3700
32GB of RAM
16*3TB Hard Drives connected to motherboard, HP P410 RAID card and USB enclosures
2*240GB SSDs

Running ProxMox with different OSs running different protocols for sharing. e.g. arch container for NFS, Server 2016 for SMB

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scrubbing

Also here's a ghetto SAN scrap parts build I did, 8*500GB, 2*2TB, 2*1TB
6*GbE ports
20Gb Infiband
Dual RAID cards
Some shitty Xeon

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ZFS is good, but also EXT4 has checksums now. Don't know if that is as good, but if it warns you about corruption, that would be good enough. No idea if it is smart enough to recover from checksum errors when placed on top of software raid.

ZFS is a great one stop package for a lot of features tho. cbecksums, redundancy, snapshots, deduplication, compression. With EXT4, one would have to combine that with mdadm and lvm to replicate some of those features.

Why are you drives sitting the wrong way? Don't you want maximum performance?

>not running smb server in linux

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So from what i understand both ZFS and mdadm can do scrubbing but only ZFS scrubbing can handle bitrot?
Is there any point to use these features of ZFS though if you dont have ECC memory?

I don't know. All I know is that you don't *need* EEC memory for ZFS, but it's highly recommended.

ZFS with non-ECC memory is still strictly better than no ZFS. It just provides (slightly) less protection than ZFS with ECC memory.

buy a shit computer that has some disk space on craigslist or ebay and slap some nas drives in it, then load FreeNAS onto it. Its super easy, I literally did this when I was in middle school.

No idea. I've seen claims that OpenZFS developers come out and say that you don't really need ECC memory. There is an article about it, but I don't know how valid it is. I don't know if the opinion in the quote on the bottom of his article is shared by other ZFS developers either.

jrs-s.net/2015/02/03/will-zfs-and-non-ecc-ram-kill-your-data/

>spend money
>its cheap goy have a discount too, if it would help make you buy it

good goy, keep defending bad spontanious purchases that will inevitably lead to more purchases
your nose is showing retard

Ive been conflicted for awhile whether or not i should switch from my current EXT4 mdadm raid to ZFS since its just a small 2tb mirror on an old tower with 4gb ram but i have enough for 8gb if i need it just didnt know if it was worth it but i guess it might be worth switching over to zfs after all.

Your current setup should work, and I think ZFS would work too. I'm in a bit of a similar situation, but my plan is to get ZFS when I have enough for a backup server or do an upgrade of my current server (which would lead to spare parts for a backup server). I don't care enough currently to redo my current server to switch file systems and volume managers.

ZFS has many more benefits than ext4. Just go for it. You don't need EEC RAM, but make sure to scrub your pools a few times a month.

Wanted a rackmount NAS once that could hold 20+ drives till I realized thats overkill yet pretty cool

What if I just want a couple terabyte array to store backups?

Thanks for the advice friends, one last question: Should i get a small SSD to use as part of the OS and the rest of it for caching? or would the caching make the ssd not last as long?

You don't need caching. Just get a decent USB drive to store the OS on.

gotta love the USB disconnects that happen at the worst time

I think the general recommendation if you do use caching is to dedicate the whole SSD for the purpose. But if you only use your shares on your home lan, remember that plain hard drives can easily saturate a 1 Gbps LAN. You don't really need any kind of fancy cachin, but I guess it could help if you had very large storage pools and not a lot of RAM.

Ok will just use a USB for the OS then. Thanks again.

>old shit box used from a university
>doesn’t even have a wireless card lmao
>get a shitty wireless adapter, sit it in the corner and have it seed and store all my torrents
life is good my nagas

I just use an old HDD or random SSD for the OS. I don't really trust USB drives. I think they seem unreliable.

can we have a /hoarding/ gen?
currently downloading several gigs of ebooks, will never read them all but don’t want to not have them
plan on buying enough drives to download the libgen collection, with the sci-hub collection being the ultimate goal

>tfw to stupid too write a tool to download articles from my schools library website
it’s like 200mil articles i could download and i’m a fucking moron so i have no idea how to

>can we have a yet another general?
Please no. I rather have spontaneous threads with new conversation. Not the same old threads on repeat.

Do you guys mix hdd model and brand for the nas/raid or stick to one and hope its not a turd?

Problem is an SSD/HDD is overkill for a fileserver because it will only ever be using around 3gb for the OS.

you would want an ssd for cache for Unraid, but that's b/c of how it manages data

>Something like this
costs $125+
If I used one of my computers as a nas it would take me two years of nonstop 24/7 use for it to cost the $125 base price (that's if my pc will draw 100 watts/ph).
Cost is moot anyways since I pay a fixed rate for electricity.

for the price of a 4bay nas you can build a budget pc that can house 6 disks with ease, and can be set up to not only run the nas but also whatever else you want

>You can easily buy low power hardware, even an ARM board to run something like FreeNAS, provided it has enough processing power.

Have you ever even used FreeNAS? It requires 8GB of ram for the first TB of disk and then another 1GB of ram for each TB further.

you can run it off just 8gb if you wanted. im curious why it needs so much ram compared to those synology/qnap units