Pre-orders open for Samsung's new 8k TV

what's the current state of the art in upscaling? 1080p looks a lot better on my botnet samsung 4k

You should have bought one of last years OLED models when they were clearing them out.
There's nothing better on the horizon.

Should I buy during the holiday "sales" or after the holidays?

Best prices are usually on Black Friday.

Massdrop does group buys for OLEDs sometimes, IIRC the 55" C8 runs about $1700

>TV
Imagine still being stuck in the nineties

Cheers

You know that you don't have to watch broadcast TV on a TV, and you also know that OLED monitors literally don't exist, right?
Dumb nigger.

Does it support good porn videos?

>1080p looks a lot better on my botnet samsung 4k

That's probably much more to do with it being a better panel than upscaling.

little column A, little column B.

>Product weight with stand
>127lbs (57.6kg)
We're back to CRT levels.

High end 85" Plasma TVs could easily weigh 250lbs+

I just replaced my 8 year old tv with an 11 year old tv. Works good and hopefully will last another 5 years.

>Buying an 8K TV when 16K is right around the corner

The size will be much more of a problem for transport. 85 inch is fucking huge

If you can transport a bed, you can transport an 85" TV

Honestly, it's smaller than most other 8k panels so far.

The other earlier prototypes were BIG. 145" panasonic model back in 2012, LG had a 98" model, Samsung had a 110" model. And then a bunch of other 98" models started being showed off.

So 85" is actually on the smaller side, and they announced 75" and 65" models alongside it, they just wont release for a few more months.

>145"
At that point, just buy a fucking projector

Jow Forums - Consumerism

TVs are how the middle class show off their income. Like poor people do it with iPhones.

>$15000
>contrast of 5000:1 tops
Simply ebin.
>just buy a projector
B-but what if I want to watch sports on a sunny day in the greenhouse that is my living room? XD

Those are even more expensive.

This is a $15,000 8k res TV. The current top end Sony projector that does 4k res is $60,000. It can deliver 5000 lumens. The lower end model that does 2200 lumens is ~$33,000.

Projectors are expensive.

>t. Monkey

You idiot we're literally getting 4k 120hz TVs in spring 2019

This
at the time top of range samsung oleds were way above lg in picture quality. Then they dropped oled and lg improved.
This 8k qled tv is dog shit, is literal eye cancer with qleds intensive brightness.

If anyone wants 8k, buy a proper 8k monitor from dell or if you want tv with best possible picture quality buy oled tv

Nice bait, faggot. Here's your (You).

with HDMI 2.1 so it can actually handle the content.

Haha, 57kg, wtf

Pic related lg w7 (65")

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This isn't confirmed for next year's models yet. I know LG has announced their partner for HDMI 2.1 chips, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll make it in time for next year.

>gaymur shit
Fuck off back to

Samsung knows better than to release OLED TVs again unlike LG.
OLED is flawed, you’ll never get the reliability of an LCD in an oled and when people keep TVs for more than 2 years oled degradation is an issue

Its not an issue as long as you dont use your oled tv as pc monitor.

That's because the LG has moved most of the electronics into a separate box that sits beneath the display. It's why the shipping weight is so high compared to the weight of the display itself.

I always end up on the verge of having an aneurysm when reading through these threads
Christ you people are dumb

OLED is videophile tech currently, that's how I see it. It requires some specific knowledge about what content is off limits due to burn in. If you use it for mainly movies, shows without logos, and games without bright, single-color HUD elements, it's fine. But if you don't want to worry about any of that, get the normie LCD.

av box 28 lbs/ 12.7 kg
display 27.1 lbs / 12.3 kg

TOTAL 55.1 lbs / 25 kg

>OLED is flawed
So is every other display technology. The difference is that OLED doesn't look like absolute garbage when you buy it.
>spending $1500-2500 every other year is a problem (if you abuse your TV)
Stop being poor. You can afford new iShit every year, so why couldn't you afford this?
What's the problem, user?
>if you don't care about image quality you get whatever that isn't OLED
Good advice tbqh.

>Qled
No thanks

Call me a boomer all you want, I will never need to go over 1080p ever.

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>TOTAL 55.1 lbs / 25 kg
Okay, lets compare to the top end 65" 4k QLED from samsung, the Q9F

>product weight without stand
58.9 lb

oh look, nearly identical.

no one needs more than 1080P

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it's 2018, use a more relevant chart.

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4K is great.

Quantum dot is great, HDR is great. I think oled is overrated for extensive usage like leaving the screen on for a whole week. Oled is also overrated for motion and refresh rate, I think Samsung is correct and local array dimming which is the HDR of each individual pixel and oled is outstanding but not that reliable. 85 inches sounds right on ppi because 55 inches is OK for 4K

This is what pushes graphics to an extent. The price of that screen should be a third or usd5k. The drive for higher resolution should be continued. Content can be created. The adoption of 4K was more friendly from a price point but 8K mustn't remain a luxury, the current main issue is bandwidth and storage.

Woah woah, it this saying at 10ft 480p and 4K looks the same? What fucked up eyes would see that?

Except w7 is lighter, even having a separate box for electronics (which you can hide and just have milimeter thin panel on your wall) and has a picture quality almost ten times better than qled. Yeah nearly identical

>has a picture quality almost ten times better than qled
For the first year or two maybe.

Call me in 4 years when your colors have shifted since your OLEDs start to die at different rates.

The kind that uses a 24" screen.

I remember plasmas being just as expensive back in the day but who needs 8K? There's no content.

Somebody post Jow Forums's reaction to the retina screens with that screenshot of the anime girl in retina vs normal.
It's the same thing all over again lol

The samsung 8k TVs are already using it. If LG doesn't they're going to get left in the dust

2020 tokyo Olympics will be shot in 8k.

>Sony and Panasonic are partnering with NHK to develop broadcasting standards for 8K resolution television, with a goal to release 8K television sets in time for the 2020 Olympics

>I think Samsung is correct and local array dimming which is the HDR of each individual pixel and oled is outstanding but not that reliable.
What? Local array dimming is a joke, literally nothing can match oled individual pixel on/off contrast and hdr (even is maximum brightness is lower for oleds)

I don't really need to see sweaty negroes in 8K

I honestly can't tell if you're genuinely delusional, or if this is just more bait.
>memelympics will be shot in 8k
Wooow. Didn't they do this for 4k as well? And remind me of all that broadcast 4k content or just 4k content in general that is being pushed to consumers right now...
Inb4 overcompressed netflix garbage.

>2020 tokyo Olympics will be shot in 8k.
Who the fuck cares?
You think you're gonna get an 8k TV signal at home to watch within 14 months? Let's be serious.

Even if the content wont be released to consumers immediately, it will be shot in 8k and can be used later.

The point is we need 8k content to justify higher res displays, without shooting things in 8k, that wont happen.

The 2020 olympics happens to be timed well with 8k adoption, and NHK has been very active in pushing the boundaries of broadcast capabilities over the last 20 years. It makes perfect sense for them to do this, especially as it allows multiple japanese mega corps to work together towards a common goal that is very high tech, and very visible to the public.

That's not the point, the whole point is to start creating 8k content so when 8k TVs aren't $10,000+, there will be a content library available.

>4 years
>not replacing tv every year
You just a poorfag lol

>And remind me of all that broadcast 4k content or just 4k content in general that is being pushed to consumers right now...
>Inb4 overcompressed netflix garbage
This.
We don't have actual 4k content and we're supposed to switched to 8k in the coming years. Topkek

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What do you mean by "actual" 4k content?

We have 4k blurays, and shit like that. You can't stream it because of the bandwidth required, but you can download it or buy it in disc form.

Individual pixel on/off is addressed with full array dimming which isn't a joke for the hdr standard literally the brightness of hdr should be in theory strong enough to be a source of light so it's no wonder brightness is higher. Oled image has more depth but the representation isn't always accurate and can't match the color reliability of quantum dot. The equivalent screen in oled could lead to problems while the tech on that one is guaranteed to last on anything thrown at it afaik the refresh rate should be 240hz so it's 120hz so true 60fps can be reached exactly like when top line 4K launched

higher resolution is worth it, even without content just the 8K resolution outdwarfs the perspective you get on graphics exponentially the demand will adapt because 16K is next

To be fair, as far as I know, the NHK will be the only broadcast service to actually provide an 8k signal. But it DOES mean we'll likely see MUCH wider 4k broadcast compared to 2016 in brazil. Or the more recent PyeongChang games where 4k content was only available ~12 hours AFTER it was shot. And only select events.

>VHS dies
>Buy a movie in DVD
>Buy a DVD player
>Buy the same movie in Bluray
>Buy a Bluray player
>Buy the same movie in UHD Bluray
>Buy an UHD Bluray compatible player
>Buy the same movie in 8K Bluray
>Buy another compatible 8K bluray player

Whats your point?

Higher resolution requires more processing power.

Further, you still didn't answer my question.
>What do you mean by "actual" 4k content?

Yeah “4K” blu rays where a shtton of it only has a 2k master

With many others that are shot at 4k+ res and mastered at 4k as well.

Not everything is 2k upscales.

>With many others that are shot at 4k+ res and mastered at 4k as well
So the only actual 8k movies that won't be upscales will be lame post-2000 AAA Hollywood movies.
Great

>higher resolution is worth it, even without content just the 8K resolution outdwarfs the perspective you get on graphics exponentially the demand will adapt because 16K is next
Ok, so you're just delusional. Got it.
>can barely even produce 4k content
>WE NEED TO DO 8K SHIT RIGHT NOW
You need to get real, friend. There's a reason why 4k hasn't really taken off.
Making an 8k display is fucking easy. Creating 8k or even 4k content is not.
The bulk of high quality content isn't in 4k. Only select shit that is bound to sell well gets a 4k re-release. Then comes question of whether it is even worth doing 4k releases of old 35mm movies. Gains in image quality would be marginal in a lot of cases, unless the 1080p release was done poorly.

Anything above 4k is overkill for me tbqh.

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Well you can take 35mm film and scan it at around 6k digital res. So it wouldn't be quite 8k, but it would be higher res than the current 3840x2160p 4k scans.

70mm film can theoretically be made into around 12k digital equivalent, decently beyond 8k res.

The only common "4k content" is unironically console gayming at 30FPS.
Considering even the latest GPUs can't consistently do 4K at 60FPS, the next gen of consoles won't be pushing the 8k meme.

>Individual pixel on/off is addressed with full array dimming
The best FALD on the market is still under 1000 zones (next year mini LED FALD with 1000-10,000 zones should come out). So that's

>Stop being poor. You can afford new iShit every year, so why couldn't you afford this?
Why would I do this though? Why throw away 2k on a TV every other year?

Scanning resolution is not the same as actual resolution. You always scan at higher resolutions than your final product if you can. That doesn't mean that there is any more detail in the raw scan.
And how many of those games even run in real 4k?
>Why throw away 2k on a TV every other year?
Because the alternatives are shit and you're already a good goy so it it shouldn't really be a problem for you?

Time flies. I haven't even upgraded to full hd yet.

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Well duh, technically 70mm scans at 16k, but realistically it's only 12k of actual res.

>Because the alternatives are shit and you're already a good goy so it it shouldn't really be a problem for you?
I'm really not sure what your position is here.

[citation needed]

>According to IMAX, 35mm film has a digital equivalent of 6000 lines of horizontal resolution (6K), while 70mm film has the equivalent of 18,000 lines of digital resolution (more like 12,000 in reality).

tested.com/tech/459274-lets-clear-some-imax-misconceptions/

Higher resolution is the way to counteract Moore's law by pushing technology drive further. If you were reading this in 16K on a UHD background with letters in 3D that wouldn't make you delusional but an avantgardist

*throws a flashbang. Oled is a format of its own seriously if you owned both screens you wouldn't take risks on oled. This sounds cliché but the organic nature of the layer must be transcended

>next year mini LED FALD with 1000-10,000 zones should come out
Or maybe not. Even this $15k 8k TV still has low zone count FALD:

>Samsung Q900R does not feature MFA (Micro Full Array) technology that Samsung demonstrated at CES 2018 in its Q9S prototype. One insider told us that the costs are simply too high right now, even for an 85-inch TV. Instead, Q900R uses a full array local dimming LCD panel that was described as being very similar to the system employed in the current Q9FN flagship 4K LCD TV

flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1536570979

LCD has pretty much hit its ceiling for what can be accomplished economically. The only real improvements at this point are expensive kludges that still can't compete with OLED. OLED just needs to sort out its burn in issues until it's a non issue, that and lower costs and it will be the final nail in the coffin for LCD.

>according to the company behind the product it is far superior to anything on the market
>more news at 11
I hope you can do better than that.
>Oled is a format of its own seriously if you owned both screens you wouldn't take risks on oled. This sounds cliché but the organic nature of the layer must be transcended
There is absolutely no way that you don't unironically tip your fedora as you write this shit. Holy fuck.

>I hope you can do better than that.

alright

>Film is also measured in "perceivable resolution", using the (MTF) Modulation Transfer Function process. Meaning, unlike digital which has a fixed pixel count that's easy to measure electronically, with film a human has to literally look for the lines of the chart and judge where you can't tell the separation between them anymore. So it really depends on the quality of the optics used to either project or the quality of the digitization system. Unlike digital, there is always a loss when measuring film resolution thanks to that issue, especially when it comes to negative first generation vs positive (projected) second generation.

>The only real good test was performed in 2003, prior to our modern Vision 3 stocks, which are absolutely better in every way. It was done in both the US and in Paris, with different groups of researchers.

>The test showed that a standard 4 perf 35mm frame in the Academy format contained 2400x2400 lines of visible resolution. This would mean 4 perf 35mm original negative contains 5.76 megapixel worth of information.

>For every successive print though, the resolution dropped. So for IP it was 2100x2100. For IN it was 1700x1700. For release prints it was 1500x1500.

>If you translate this math, which is as close to "accurate" as one can get without re-running the tests, you start to get a picture that looks like this:

>15/70 = 70.41 mm × 52.63 = 7600x5700 (43 Megapixel)
>5/70 = 52.63 by 23.01 mm = 5700x2500 (14 Megapixel)
>4/35 = 22 by 16 mm = 2400x1750 = (4.2 Megapixel)
>2/35 = 22 by 9.47 mm = 2400x1030 (2.47 Megapixel)
>1/16 = 12.52 by 7.41 mm = 1360x800 (1.09 Megapixel)
>1/8 = 5.79 by 4.01 mm = 631x430 (271 Kilopixel)

>Now again, these numbers aren't very accurate based on modern film stocks. But they are "close" enough to get feeling of practical resolution

cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=72252

It's going to be difficult for OLED to overcome the nature of its organic molecules... They knew going in that it would always be a problem and they've already done a lot to improve it but short of self-healing technomagic I dont see a future for OLED. A temporary solution will be top emission, which can in theory improve efficiency and consequently max brightness by a few times but not enough to solve the issue for good. And even now OLED still isn't as bright as LCD, LG is aware of the burn in and their solution was to vastly limit the max brightness

>7ft away
yea no thx I'll be about 30 ft away with that 30fps atrocity

Currently the color filters used in WOLED suck up a massive amount of the actual light output of the OLED. If/when they sort out of the technical challenges to making QD color converters, it should help the light efficiency quite a bit. Coupled with top emission and TADF, plus longer lasting OLED materials, and burn in could well be a complete non issue in a few years.

It's saying a 30" 480p screen and 140" 4K screen will look the same at 10 feet.

this thing cant be safe
is 8k safe for your eye
i do not want to go blind
this and 5g very scary

I hate you

>samshit TV
wow, I can't wait to see 8K ads I can't block because phoning home and displaying ads is hard coded into the TV, where blocking them makes it cease to function

Your eyes don't see in 8K