What has actually changed since Based Pai removed the neutrality clause?

They also have some of the fastest internet. Worth it.

By this shit fucking post you confirm that abolishing net neutrality was a shit choice by the government, since you can't trust them. However you do trust them enough to get rid of NN and you do trust them enough to not fuck it up. Do you realize how much of a paradox your shit fucking post is?

>the most censored internet
[citation needed]
I can access any site I want.
You're thinking of China's or North Korea's censornet.

but that's wrong your fucking cuck-spamming fuckwit.

Try accessing TPB

>its blocked

Try accessing music videos on youtube

>blocked by GEMA

Try accessing Jow Forums type videos on YT

>blocked by Germanys anti-hate speech laws

Meanwhile the rest of the world can freely access any of these videos unlike Yurocucks with their so-called "net-neutral" internet.

Im from the Eu and I can acces all of those without a vpn or a proxy, dont know what you're talking about

>yurop = Cuckmany
These are all specific things to Germany

>However you do trust them enough to get rid of NN and you do trust them enough to not fuck it up.
How can you fuck up getting rid of a law? What's the scenario you have in mind where it goes wrong?

No it isn't, TPB is blocked at DNS level in my country as well.

Even communism has a better track record of success than anarchism

>TPB blocked
Only in a few countries in the EU, and then it's only the DNS entry that is blocked. You can just surf to it if you have the IP or just use a proxy for it. You're only blocked if you're retarded and the government isn't looking into blocking it even further because they know about their citizens rights. It's just the media conglomerates that forced them to block the web domain.

>YouTube music videos blocked
Literally has nothing to do with the government. It's just shitty licensing and record label companies that don't know how things work. Also, if you unironically use YouTube to listen to your music you're either deaf because of the garbage quality or you're retarded.

>Jow Forums tier videos on YouTube
Literally only blocked in Germany, and for good reasons. I'm even 99.99% sure it's done by YouTube themselves to prevent getting sanctioned.

All your shitpost comes down to is >muh piratebay and >muh youtube which half of it is done by the video uploaders themselves. Generalizing this and then screaming that it's the most censored internet ever makes you seem like a retard. Have you actually seen how censored China's and NK's "internet" is?

Net Neutrality has nothing to do with blocking youtube videos, it's about ISPs not being allowed to slow down, alter or block any resource on the internet that you pay for, but you wouldn't know that since you don't know anything about NN.

When did anarchism kill 40 million people in less than a decade?

That's literally the only thing that's blocked, and it was more of a stunt than anything, since it's just a DNS block and they haven't blocked any of the mirrors.
t. Españolito

So many retards in this thread.

Things don't instantly go bad when you remove important rules. It takes time. In this case companies won't double down on major projects that might fail if NN is reinstated (either in the next admin or as is already happening at the state level). If it stays dead for longer, they will accelerate.

Its also true that congress absolving big pharma from liability regarding pain medicine caused nothing to actually change... in the short term. A decade later - oops! Opioid epidemic!

Everyone, please stop being retards about this. If you don't understand NN, just don't post. Plenty of other threads.

If your political system hasn't killed millions of people, it's because it's irrelevant.

Oh God this again
>it hasn't happened yet, but YOU'LL SEE
Yawn.

>for good reasons.
>thinking there's a good reason to block access to any piece of information, even if it's useless Jow Forumstard bullshit
Imagine being this retarded

IKR someone told me the other day that cigarettes were bad for me. 3 packs a day and I ain't gotten cancer yet fuckers! Its all a lie. More government propaganda. Don't believe the doctors, they're paid by chewing gum companies who want you to quit to buy more gum. And George Soros. Yawn.

>government protecting it's citizens against unfair internet prices
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! GUBERNMENT IS BAD!!!
I can't comprehend HOW this is a bad thing. This doesn't give ANY control over citizens, just restricts companies from draining their users' wallets.
Give at least one argument how this is against citizens.

Yes. Now SSH connections are being throttled and it's legal for ISPs to do so.

>Oh God this again
>>it hasn't happened yet, but YOU'LL SEE

Honestly I don't think you'll see. Its a complicated issue. People will accept the entrenchment of the big 5 tech companies and resulting reduced innovation/competition on the Internet as the new normal.

>no you silly fools just don't GET it. Communism intentionally killed millions, and unintentionally killed millions more because it was RELEVANT

So far personally?
My internet has actually gotten faster. But that's entirely unrelated to net neutrality.

And in a perfect world, you don't want net neutrality. It's a dumb concept. And almost all primary arguments in favor of net neutrality aren't actually even really in favor of net neutrality, but are in favor of classifying the internet as a utility and deregulating/opening up pole access to more third parties, since there's a lot of places in the US with what's effectively single ISP competition.
And that's fine. Both of those things should happen and are probably needed.
But additional oversight that the entire purpose of can only lead to fines and litigation? Yeah nah that shit is pretty dumb.

companies are made of citizens, they aren't some amorphous mist that comes out of nowhere. they're made by people who are offering a service to a large number of people who benefit from said service in an amount roughly equal to the tendered payment for said service

You guys realize that it is not in effect yet, right?

Oh no wait, different excuse

You guys realize that the ISPs will wait until they fuck us over, right?

>he doesn't understand that the german government is still butthurt over anything involving nazis and that they would take down YouTube as a whole if they didn't self-"censor" this
Holy fuck you're even more retarded.
Also, give it a couple more years, they are finally lightening up, they recently allowed video games portraying nazi aspects again.

Oh no! My college is blocking port 22 because of safety concerns! I must sue immediately!

>They also have some of the fastest internet.
What?
I'm living in germany, in a captial city and have a shitty 25mbit connection. There are no alternatives for me and I have to pay 40€ each month.

if companies are allowed to turn on QoS on their routers and enough of you don't like it, well that's fine. because another smaller company would come along and say hey you know we didn't turn the QoS on on our routers, so if you want service from us, then just sign up.

there'd be more competition which means more choice, which means lower prices for you

>guys seriously just let us marxist millennials into government and let us run the show. we'll give you FAST INTERNET, for reals!

Yeah the other companies just magically create a complete new infrastructure that they own and create their own massive backbones to give every access to cheap and fair internet :)

yes, that's kind of how it works. know what a low orbit microsatellite is?

You've watched too many "awesome science" videos.

>muh lesser evil
This mentality is what's driving the world to shit.

>companies are made of citizens
Stopping you right there because you are a retard. A company is an individual according to the law. People can work for said company, but that doesn't mean that that company is made out of that individual. The people working for those companies get protected by law against behavior of the company that would make life unlivable for that individual, with for example, minimum wages, maximum working hours, firing or not hiring without reasons, firing someone and not paying out a set amount of months, etc. The owners of the company, those are the people that the company is comprised of. Those owners can be shareholders, collectively they can decide what the company does. Publicly traded companies have only one goal, which is satisfy the shareholders, which in a lot of cases means maximize short term profit, and as a result can cause that company to make choices where they exploit both their workers as well as their customers. If there were no laws in place to limit the exploitation then that can lead to very bad results for people's lives.

i'm an industry insider. this is how 5G is going to be implemented

t. I am retarded and I must speak

>it's good that companies cannot easily fire bad employees, because it's better for a shitty employee to leech off of a hard working business owner than it is for a shitty worker to get shit canned and start cleaning up his act

You can easily fire bad employees, stop showing off how retarded and in need of a brain you are.

NPC-tier post right here.

>when you're a socialist and haven't gone on a half-baked anti-corporation rant in 8 minutes

>When you're retarded and can't make an argument in reply to "X group of people you disagree with," so you just meme and hope he ignores it..

your mother is an industry insider.

wow, now this is some dumb shit I haven't read in a while.
>companies are made for people
>profit and money?
>no, thank you, we're good without it, it's people who we care about!
What are governments for then? Implying you're not living in China, Russia or N. Korea.

I'll ask you in different manner:
How net neutrality gives any control or anything against citizens? How it benefits government?

>Those owners can be shareholders, collectively they can decide what the company does. Publicly traded companies have only one goal, which is satisfy the shareholders, which in a lot of cases means maximize short term profit, and as a result can cause that company to make choices where they exploit both their workers as well as their customers.

yeah and it's obviously a bad idea to run your company with only the short term interest as your goal. because you know what is also in the interest of the shareholders? that's right, the continuing profitable existence of the company in question. if some dickhead CEO (there are not many of them, because they lose credibility) runs a company into the ground for muh short term profits they're going to be exiled into shame for being a quack.

now you get your head out of your own ass and stop believing all companies or even most companies, or even the existence of companies is a bad thing. the MNC is one of the greatest marvels of our modern civilisation.

If you look at it from the perspective of a confederate state, it's been over negative thing after another.

NN has nothing to do with regulating "unfair" prices to subscribers, nor with hiring/firing practices. You're both retarded.

I'm not saying that companies are a bad thing. Just like you are saying, companies that only focus on short term profit are the bad ones. Those are the ones that create market bubbles. And those do exist, look at the games industry. My point was that protecting both people and the company themselves with the necessary laws is the only solution to keep shit from hitting the fan. If you can't trust your own government, you most definitely cannot even trust the companies that run according to that government's (or lack thereof) laws.

>Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers treat all data on the Internet equally, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication.[4] For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content.
Surely, I can't imagine any unfair practices happening without NN. :^)

Wow, that ad hominem sure showed me.

Not him, but NN talks about asking more money for certain connections you want access to. It has no coverage of the price of an internet connection as a whole.

my point is reenforced by your own argument. the bad companies exist, and their existence ensures their demise. if they want to run their companies that way then they are only hastening their own failure. it is, in a word, unsustainable.

>nothing changed before NN
>nothing changed with obama NN
>nothing changed after repeal

only thing that happened is liberals crying like they do all the god damn time

>instead of letting suicidal companies die we should keep them alive as long as possible by spending a tremendous amount of money making new laws and enforcing those laws laws which effectively put the companies in a straight jacket, inside a padded room, and on life support

I'm not saying anything about increase of internet prices. But as you said, nonNN gives ISP ability to make subscriptions for certain websites for example. Which will increase in your payment for internet if you want to use it like you do now.
How the fuck anyone can think that this is a good thing.
>nah, bruh, I don't need these websites, I'm happy being restricted to whitelisted websites.
what the fuck is this mentality

p.s. I'm not original poster that user responded to, just someone 'new'

Kill yourself, commie cuck.

anti government shills and totally not company cucks, give me an answer: how government benefits from NN?

>But as you said, nonNN gives ISP ability to make subscriptions for certain websites for example. Which will increase in your payment for internet if you want to use it like you do now.

ah, so you believe everything you read

I'm voting for Trump this time

Look at the following companies and their "suicidal" business practices.
>Apple
>Comcast
>EA
>Ubisoft

Yeah, we'll see those going out of business soon!

>success is failure

The government regulates radio and TV. How's that going?
Say a bad word and get fined to death.
The answer you're looking for is power, user.

Exactly, they are all doing intentional bad business practices, especially long term, they are either doing predatory things, cause monopolies by having deals with their "rivals" or just taking away rights from the customer. And yet, they gain more and more profit.

>this is what NN prevents, NN forces ISPs to treat every data equally
>THESE ARE LIES!!!
the fuck is wrong with you?
ah... right... I forgot that probably most antiNN fags are from burgerland. Where they have data caps, shitty and overpriced internet and if there's a chance for getting faster connection for lower price to several websites... GO FOR IT!
feels good paying 20 euros for 1Gbps without any limits.
suddenly NN helps government monitor your traffic?
and if NN will be gone, government won't be able to see your traffic?
kek

you're giving me aneurysm

>government: just give us the power, no we don't know what we'll do with it right now, but we just want to have it for a rainy day
>citizens: you are not using that power, so can you give it back?
>government: get fucked, peasant

this why we need gun

WHAT POWER NN GIVES TO GOVERNMENT?

NN doesn't "help" deh goberment to monitor you traffic.

before you were not constructing logical arguments based on facts, but now you're just babbling

>suddenly NN helps government monitor your traffic?
Nobody said that you fucking retard strawmanning faggot.
You asked and I responded.
What's the point of saying random shit like that?

how it helps?
FFS, niggers, this is restriction to ISPs, it's a fucking law, NN doesn't have any monitoring hardware or anything
jesus fucking christ, imbeciles

>if you recognize that anarchism has never been, and never will be successful in the real world, then you are a communist

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fuck off, moron

No argument.

you can always pay for enterprise grade internet if you need more speed and bandwidth. what are you poor?

>information
Blocking propaganda has been standard procedure for countries for centuries. Just recently youtube blocked north korea propaganda for instance.

Quit being a drooling Jow Forums drone ans maybe then you'll actually start seeing the world beyond the mob hysterics.

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answer question: you said about power, tell me where it's hidden
I might change my mind if you convince me

>this why we need gun
yes

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YouTube isn't a country you fucking mong

Unfair practices != unfair prices. With NN ISPs can still charge "unfair" prices, but they can't charge more to startup than they charge to Netflix.

This is the crux of NN - without it Netflix gets a sweetheart fast-lane deal due to their enormous size and market power. Any Netflix competitor would have to pay *more* for the *same* treatment. Thus any Netflix competitor would have to charge more. Netflix enjoys price advantage, and permanent market dominance, with the pesky need to compete/innovate at the same rate as their competitors.

Without NN Netflix gets a permanent advantage over smaller competitors *even when the competitor innovates a superior product/service/value*. That is the problem. This is just one example.

Abolishing NN doesn't make competitors stop existing or innovating. But it slows them down. It reduces the importance of having a better product/service and increases the importance sheer size, not product/service/value/innovation.

The point is to maintain a level playing field for companies. AKA a free market.

oh, wait, maybe there needs to be done some clarification:
NN doesn't give control of internet to government
internet is still controlled by ISPs
NN makes sure that ISPs treat all data equally even if it's your pedophile cartoons

netflix has only been in business for what, 12 years? 12 years - that's what you call permanent? holy moley, and i bet you can vote too

Any piece of information is valuable, be it propaganda or not. Being able to find all information is what makes you able to form an opinion.
Plus I clearly stated what they're blocking is Jow Forumstard bullshit, I do not agree with Jow Forums on pretty much anything, nor do I visit that shithole. Not liking them isn't a reason for having their opinions muted, however. If I know I don't like them, it's because I've been able to hear them in the first place.

blockbuster had "permanent" market dominance before netflix. movie theatres had "permanent" market dominance before blockbuster.

The context of the post is regarding youtube procedures in Germany.

Read before you chimp out N/pol/C.

>netflix gets permanent advantage over smaller competitors
>we should restrict netflix
"""free market"""
while NN treats all data equally and it doesn't matter if it's netflix or newfix
>making internet free is a bad thing

apple employs thousands of people directly, and millions indirectly through opportunities to make accessories, apps, and specialist system admins. by any measure they work pretty damn hard for all of that success, and they do more good for the planet every minute of every day than you do.

For all I care, you can have no NN nation. It will be fun if ISPs will start to abuse it and americans will be cucked by them.
I'll be here, in Europe, enjoying my 1Gbps connection browsing whatever I want without any worries.

Maybe NN is a bad thing for US, actually, as far as I know internet infrastructure is shit there.

sour grapes: the post

This isn't just about any simple content. When you have a country that suffered tremendously under fascism, you take extra precautions to thwart content seeking to trivialize, recruit or reinstate any such practices (propaganda). All the other type of Jow Forums bullshit like anti-vaxx, ""FAKE SPACE""" etc bullshit doesnt get blocked which shows this isn't about just blocking crockpot, garbage content.

>europoor
>thinks his internet is free
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