Why are they so shit at technology?

It's about to go critical!

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Unelected bureaucrats don't have to be good at anything.
Unless you mean Europe, in which case they aren't. ARM is British for instance + loads of other stuff.

>yet another "e-europe is shit" thread
haven't watched the news yet, what happened that's making the amerifats so insecure?

I don't know, why do your companies come to our countries to hire our graduates?

fuck off brit; fuck your brexit. Germany and the Dutch are multiple times better than you at technology.

>using the world wide web
>invented by Tim Berners Lee
>a Brit

technology sucks and should be reserved for military use

>watching news like a good goy
>cheering for your side in an imaginary Europe vs USA pissing contest
Found the NPC

>muh railgunz

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First public fibre optic cable was installed where?

>unelected socialists
You don't know much about the EU do you

A few names for you, ignoramus:

Babbage
Turing
Codd
Wolfram
Berners-Lee

Also F1 is predominantly British, RR aero are world leading jet engine manufacturers, and BAE are one of the world's largest defence contractors.

Finland here. Every CS student moves to the US after graduation because $10,000 per month is a lot more than €4000

Sounded about right as long as you're nutshelling.

You don't know much about Spain do you.

Euro here. Technology doesn't pay anywhere near as good as in the US so it's not uncommon to move there. Basically, brain drain is why.

yuropoo shilling

more concerned with finding wives for uneducated somalis

The EU? No, it's *good* at it.

As much as we like to shit on the US this is painfully true, wages here are ridiculously low. But we have h-healthcare at least.

Let's be honest though, lots of this supposedly amazing US tech is just deliberately addicting, destructive surveillance technology that has little genuinely innovative content, and just happens to have been implemented in the US first due to monopolistic domination by the big tech companies. What a glorious tech utopia eh?..

>USA
>>USA
>>>USA

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I guess you could consider it brain drain to the outside of the EU, but we're doing fine here.
Despite the high cost [higher than even moving people to silicon valley...], a lot of the big companies are pooling talent in this place here.

OTOH it's not like this doesn't benefit the EU too, it's an immediate neighbour and the surrounding countries can do easy business with the tech industry here...

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Yeah, but then I gotta learn German or some shit. Everyone here knows English already, so moving the the USA is pretty easy

>unelected bureaucrats and socialist globalists
Except you can actually vote in EU elections and vote for your individual countries representatives. Stop watching dumb ecelebs like sargoy of cuckad to get your information. Back to pol with all that postmodernist neo-marxist globalist bullshit.

>can only achieve anything by handing out H1Bs to poos in loos
>poos are still better than their local talent
>thinking.png

Weird to see this post, was actually considering the pros and cons of chocoland just yesterday. How easy is it to start working there if you have some experience? Also, is German required?

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On a tech job you quite possibly don't have to.

But in everyday life it'll surely be more pleasant to speak German or French (depending on the region), sure.

Well, depending on where you go in the USA you're trading time spent learning German or French for sitting in daily traffic jams or long commutes or such.

>How easy is it to start working there if you have some experience?
Quite easy if a company wants your skills. There isn't THAT much red tape required to get in, particularly not compared to the USA. But you need to line up a job beforehand.

> Also, is German required?
No. Not for the job. But you should have the willingness to learn it and the local dialect if you go to the German-speaking area, same as you should want to learn French if you go to the French-speaking area.

Enough people speak English that you can get by without it with no real trouble, but your social life will likely suffer if you don't.

Nah, I moved to Boston. Nobody has a car and public transit is better than Helsinki's (except there's no fucking night busses). The Red Line gets me to work in 10 minutes.

>Why are they so shit at technology?
Regulations and taxes up the ass.
Can't take risks because you'll end up taxed up so fucking much you'll be ruined, and so much regulations that you need a huge capital and an army of paper pushers to do anything.

I hate bureaucracies.

And maybe you should read a few parts of the European treaties (especially the parts about the Parliament and the European Commission). Maybe next time you won't look like a retard.

I already speak French, is there a gap in options between let's say Zurich and Geneva? As I understand big companies place themselves in the capital.

Obviously it depends on where you are employed.

But the average tech employee in the USA commutes a long time every day.

> is there a gap in options between let's say Zurich and Geneva?
Not really. Obviously there are different companies in either place, but they're not too different overall. Geneva also has a good number of international companies.

Inside Switzerland, most people are ~content where they are, it's not like everyone wants to go to Zurich or Geneva. Most places are nice. Only the tiny towns have a general tendency to be unattractive and loose population [usually to the nearby mid-sized town / small city that is then forming].

> As I understand big companies place themselves in the capital.
No. Some do, but Bern has a bit less than Zurich.

Based and redpilled.
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>Brexit fatigue is letting Theresa May off the hook, and obscuring the fact that a U-turn remains our best option
>obscuring the fact that a U-turn remains our best option

Thanks for all the info man, rare to see good posts in here. Time to make some serious thinking.

>I don't see any consumer tech from Europe so they aren't great at technology: the post
You're retarded OP, the EU is killing it in B2B. Also, forgot about Phillips and Siemens? Maybe the one you should know is Spotify? Also, did you forget that all the decent companies just get bought over by American ones? Nokia? Skype? Think before you post.

based and redpilled

It's like when Burgers pretend fucking Jeans are American culture when they were created by a Bavarian Jew. Typical appropriation.

>RR aero are world leading jet engine manufacturers
btfo by ge on a regular basis

>BAE are one of the world's largest defence contractors
btfo by lockheed on a regular basis & even caught bribing customers into buying their second rate shit

tldr: buy American

found the neo marxist

How is that any different from the United States?

EINDHOVEN FUCK YES

cuz they are all using C64s or ZX spectrums while we are using IBM compatibles :3

>industrial applications are not essential
This is what boomers actually believe lol

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Because America can give their people visas and offer higher pay.

No problem. BTW if you come, maybe rent a place with fiber optical hookup. It might still be a 100 year old building with some stairs and no elevator, but 1 or 10GBE for ~$50 a month is pretty nice even if it's only "best effort" 1 or 10GBE.

Too high taxation. No money left for investments.

>you can actually vote in EU elections and vote for your individual countries representatives.
The people who make the laws/regulations are not elected, they are the bureaucrats.
If you don't like any of the EU's laws/regulations; tough shit you can't do anything about it.
There is no democracy.
The fact that we can vote for pointless thumb twiddlers is no substitute.

Maybe having a prime minister who is against Brexit to enact it was a bad idea, but her days are numbered anyway. Never vouched for TBL's politics though.

Go play your gaymz doood, that's all that matters.
Murrica company's, owned by Jews, producing equipment in Asia, not giving back to economy because tax heavens.

>OUR COMPANIES

Sure thing Jamal, just like pornstars dick is your dick.
Fucking monkeys

>appropriation
((skype))

All the skilled people go to the USA for better pay.

>The people who make the laws/regulations are not elected, they are the bureaucrats.
Th european council has no legislative power, they make proposals which are then decided upon by directly elected MEPs and individual countries.

>If you don't like any of the EU's laws/regulations; tough shit you can't do anything about it.
You can do shit about it. You can get people to turn out to vote for different MEPs or to actually contact your representatives about issues. It's not the fault of the system that the people are too passive and retarded to use the available tools.
>implying peole will elect better people anyway
The average voter just wants the illusion of control, they dont know a fucking thing about a single policy.

Can you give me examples of EU laws/regulations that have personally fucked you over and not just parroting some retarded conservative eceleb saying "hurr durr this is not a democracy they are oppressing muh sovereignty" while continue to promote peole who actively undermine democracy and take away freedoms.

>You can get people to turn out to vote for different MEPs
And when the new MEPs do the exact same things as the previous ones, what are you going to do?
>or to actually contact your representatives about issues
Or when they give you empty promises and continue on their course?

>Can you give me examples of EU laws/regulations that have personally fucked you over
Amending directive 2017/853.

T. Differentfag.

>The european council make proposals & MEPs vote on it
It's still a top-down system. On what basis would I vote for MEPs since they can't propose legislation and they can't remove / change existing legislation.

>>implying peole will elect better people anyway
You're missing the true power of democracy. The people can be idiots, it's fine.
The threat of loosing power forces the current party to act in the interests of the people. They have to defend their polices against an opposition; they are held accountable.

>examples
Common fisheries policy killed our fishing industry - we are an island; it isn't unfair if we were to have a bigger fishing industry than other EU countries. This is the reason Iceland can't join the EU.
Freedom of movement means we have uncontrolled immigration.
But it doesn't really matter on the polices, it's the fact that there is no process to change them and nobody asked to them. Like Article 13 - nobody wants this.

I think he was asking about the EU not the USA.

1. This, the European parliament is elected, additional groups pass their submissions to the parliament. I can see why people would become confused though.

2. The parliament has done a lot of good things, lower costs of roaming, increase privacy (GDPR), ...

3. Yes they are causing a lot of migrant influx which does suck

4. The pay in Europe is dogshit, everybody shares so everybody lives about the same resulting in low wages

5. All the really skilled people move to the US because better pay because of this

>And when the new MEPs do the exact same things as the previous ones, what are you going to do?
>Or when they give you empty promises and continue on their course?
I mean yeh these are valid concerns, but I dont understand how the EU is any different in this than any other governing body. The alternative is to have all the countries be left on their own and not be held accountable to anyone. Works great for the US...

>Amending directive 2017/853
>making it harder to acquire guns in europe
>requires you to have a license with proper background check, medical examination and a good reason to own one
Hmmm. A really serious issue that affects who again?

>Hmmm. A really serious issue that affects who again?
It's a useless piece of legislation that was pushed through on false premises, and without impact evaluation. Besides which, buying security on the expense of freedom is intrinsically wrong and counter-productive in the long run.

>Hmmm. A really serious issue that affects who again?
Tens of thousands of law abiding sport shooters, hunters and collectors who have literally done nothing wrong.

Don't you dare defend that piece of shit directive.

>The people who make the laws/regulations are not elected, they are the bureaucrats.
It works like that in every democracy you dumb shit. Any proposal in parliamentary democracy is written by somebody that your representative brought in their position. Every proposal goes through number of readings until it even can be voted on. It maybe works differently in your retarded "skeptic" shilling head.

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eu lol

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6. you are a shill that will not acknowledge article 11 and 13 and that the EU is shit.

But we literally invented Linux, a free and open source operating system. You invented Windows.

These articles are shit, and I hope they never are passed into law.

Still a far cry from the USA in terms of laws. At least it has usually no business method, no valid pure software patents, it does have GDPR, smacks down monopolists that abuse their power over hardware or software, and so on. It could be much better, but it also could also be much worse.

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>>The people who make the laws/regulations are not elected, they are the bureaucrats.
>It works like that in every democracy you dumb shit.
wtf?! I don't even..

>Any proposal in parliamentary democracy is written by somebody that your representative brought in their position.
Exactly. Unlike the EU, where the EU council is not brought into it's position by MEPs or something. You do not vote for the party who proposes legislation; it is not a democracy.

It would be a democracy if, say, MEPs could propose legislation that would have to be run past the other MEPs and the council before being adopted.

>You do not vote for the party who proposes legislation; it is not a democracy.
Selected by elected representatives - that's still called a representative democracy. I am however also critical of this method, and it should be fixed as far as I'm concerned.

But it could be worse, like only being able to elect one corrupt market liberal party under two names in a gerrymandering first past the post election system. That kind of a thing is a problem with any form of democracy.

>Unlike the EU, where the EU council is not brought into it's position by MEPs or something.
Yeah, maybe because EU Council is represented by respective head of states you dumbo. Like you know, the voted in prime ministers. The have no legislative power.

What you are trying to talk about, my stupid friend, is European Commission. Members of Commission are chosen by Council of the EU. These members are chosen by ministers for their respective countries (which you voted for). Which is exactly the same as in any parliamentary democracy. Unlike the other systems, these people need to also have trust from European Parliament, which you vote for directly.

european cars are better than european cars themselves somehow

>RR jet engines

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Based

Inform me about Spain's unelected socialists and how that affects the EU's actions regarding tech altogether.

buuuuuuuuuuurn

So terrible they are the sole supplier of the lift fan for the F35

>Tens of thousands of law abiding sport shooters, hunters and collectors who have literally done nothing wrong.
>Don't you dare defend that piece of shit directive.
LOL
so it's fucking useless and nobody cares except for burgers xddd

too busy trying to enslave all of europes natives to actually care about progression
where have you been?

Don't argue with an American about political science. It's useless.

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this, gun nut burgers pls go, daily reminder that if you own a gun, you will never find a gf

> muh ge

There's a handful of companies worldwide that have the capability, and RR is up there. Of course the US uses industrial espionage and protectionism etc to prop up their companies, RR thrives even in spite of this

> muh shlockheed

Again, the US effectively excludes non-US companies from defence contracts, hence the fact you get bent over daily as taxpayers to fund the MI complex. BAE competes internationally without a protectionist umbrella. But anyway I wasn't comparing UK to US, I was responding to the person saying German
and Dutch tech is superior to British when objective analysis just doesn't bear this out. If people are going to slag the UK off at least pick on something accurate like our terrible weather and football team, rocketing crime etc.

are you talking about California?

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Actually this is valid criticism. The European parliament is part of the legislative debate, but they don't initiate legislation.

On the other hand, the EU is not a country, so I don't see why you would use the same criteria of democracy that you use for a country.

They are more like an international organisation that evolved into a regional integration union, it's something unique. And their regulations have a similar status to international treaties.

Do you call international treaties undemocratic? Why don't you ask your country to leave every international treaty because it's "undemocratic"? Cut all ties with every other country, stop respecting any rules of trade, cooperation, security and so on.

But yeah, I agree with you that if the EU wants to become more like a country, with a president and common fiscal policy, etc, it needs to put the parliament (elected representatives) at the heart of law-making.

That would be really weird, considering how large and diverse Europe is. How do you create a country from a continent on which tens of official languages exist?
And what's the point, nobody wants their language and culture to disappear for the sake of creating a continent-country.

So the EU is stuck between its past (international organisation) and this dream of creating a European country, which is very unlikely to happen, unless everyone agrees to learn a common language.

Eurobros are cheaper since they are all Indian.

Socialism

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because your socialist country can't pay decent salaries + huge taxations

GORDON!? Arghh! STOP!! Noo!! STOP! STOP! Arghh!
>spazzes and slumps to ground

>Do you call international treaties undemocratic?
I'm fairly certain that international treaties bind governments, not individual citizens. EU directives are guidelines on legislation that the EU member states have to follow, and that does absolutely affect individual citizens.