>Create a parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >Learn how to build a PC Search youtube for a guide for your socket
Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing. >Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc. >For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1
CPU >i3 8100 - Bare minimum gaming >R5 2400G/R5 2600/x- Consider IF on sale >i5 8400 - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7 8700k - Currently best value high-endgaming at any resolution >i7 9900k and 9700k - Surely the best for gaming at any resolution/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >RTX 2000 cards are top of the line GPU atm but wait untill the price comes down a little >Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans >Avoid Vega they are poor values and inferior to their Pascal counterpart in every way 1080p >1060 6GB standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb for lower settings and/or older games >GTX 1070Ti/1080 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor 1440p >GTX 1070Ti/1080 >GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor 4K >Upscale from 1620-1800p. Gtx 1080ti/2080. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.
Storage >StoreMi is a sure way to brick your system and lose your data >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"
Display >Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models. >Always consider G-Sync with nVidia cards >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
The 8400 is a surprisingly good CPU. One of the best Intel has come out with in years.
Oliver Lopez
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans So which brand/model should I choose for a GTX 1080?
I've noticed that the fans on my gtx 1070 SC2 are not spinning at equal RPM. (Pic related) They're designed to work independently. The GPU has a lot of temperature sensors and they spin depending on what temperature a certain sensor has. The card is designed to work that way and it's been very cool and relatively silent, even at 90 to 100% load for hours on end. Should I still setup a custom fan curve for both fans, similar to a more traditional GPU cooling solution? If I choose not to, will the default (separate) fan curve reduce the lifespan of the fan that's spinning most? I've had the card for a few days and I'm very pleased with how it performs.
8700k is the best value gaming cpu, and you can upgrade to an 9900k in the future for more performance AMD shills can't use the muh upgrade path argument anymore
John Taylor
Daily reminder to still DELID and *new* LAP the die on new 9th gen Incel cpus
They really should consult him for their CPUs if they want to rescue anything
Samuel James
the fuck you're on about only reason intel didn't change the socket yet again this time is because these "new" cpu are the same shit, only with more cores and somehow even worse thermals they literally didn't make enough changes this time around, and it never really took much for them to make a new socket, so that's pretty impressive in a pretty bad way
>dembt8er Keep my business afloat guyz! This still needs delid guyz! you might get 100 Mhz from it!
Alexander Walker
I've seen the 9900k reviews, I want to build a 1440p rig
It looks like the 9900k runs hot even on high-end Noctuas so I'll just go with the 2700X
Can the 2700X max out the 2070 or 2080 at 1440p? I don't mind downgrading to 144hz 1080p if its slower
Lucas Lopez
Anyone?
Connor Ross
The same thing could be said about the 2xxx Ryzen
>b-but am4 support untill 2020 Yeah they never said it's for for 7nm CPU. Enjoy your dozen of ryzen refresh.
Andrew Martin
Which one of these has the bigger priority? 1. A CPU upgrade ~ 200€ 2. A Monitor upgrade. ~ 300€ I can sell the monitor if I end up not needing it in a few years time. The CPU will likely be out of date or underperform in a few years time.
I'm going to buy it when it's cheaper, otherwise I can wait until the 3700x is released if it BTFOs Intel. Temps also vary from different reviewers and Tech Spot has some strange benchmarks
Torture vs more realistic load. Its normal to OC your CPU and having it crash on a torture loop. The temp is still not OK tho.
Brayden Wood
Depends on what is shittier and what you're upgrading to innit
Tyler Smith
That's old and the VRM discussion group on overclock.net didn't make any new ones as of now He works with Caseking, what business and Intel fucked up, not his fault for pointing out. You may loose up to 10 frames but yeah should work out. You could also get the 1080Ti if you don't care about ray tracing and the other things Nvidia has.
Ian Nelson
Man what the hell happened to the prices of components... Looking to build a new PC next month and the cheapest 8700k in my country costs €500 and gtx 1080ti costs €850... Back when I built my last pc that €1350 build a full godlike PC
Kayden Edwards
Intel always has stock shortages whenever there is a new release.
Nvidia just jewed everyone by adding $100-$200 more for their GPUs for the same performance plus raytracing that doesn't exist yet.
David Torres
The 9th gen does have hardware fixes against the hardware vulnerabilities and Microsoft will release patches which will make the performance impact only 1 digit heavy. Intel is just fucked because of that Poolack Krzanich. They used the 14nm process for so long now and soldered their CPUs only because the 9900K is so hot. Otherwise they still would be using TIM I bet.
Matthew Cruz
>You may loose up to 10 frames but yeah should work out Why? Where?
2700x + 2080 @1440p or 2700x + 2070 @1080p?
Henry Sanders
2080 Ti is good but yeah the rest is utter shit. I wish AMD wouldn't supply consoles and killing PC gaming like Nvidia and Intel do with prices.
Ian Morgan
Anyone know how to get lower ram use in Windows 10? No matter what I do it gets stuck at best 2GB at idle. I tried using black vipers windows 10 guide but it didn't really do it.
Jose Bennett
Lol as expected 9700k is better than 9900k. I was saying that for weeks.
Is more core counter productive at certain point? The 2700x also has subpar gaming performance compared to the 8600k.
Christopher Foster
How does that look at 1440p when you reach 5.1 or 5.2ghz on a 9700k or 9600k vs 2700X?
Christopher Taylor
You will lose a bit of frames at 1440p and more at 1080p. Depending on the game but from what I saw its 10%~ on 1440p and can be around 20% in 1080p. 4k you won't lose any since it's GPU bound.
Brayden Rivera
8700k went up 200eur + easy lately Intel is literally a joke right now and all components have gone up for ever it feels like
Ayden Bennett
Look up some benchmarks. 1440p still is somewhat relying on the CPU and I would get the 2080. 1440 will get more demanding.
Please show actual framerates instead of some relative performance garbage. Relative performance is not actually interesting when trying to decide whether or not you can hit a target framerate at some resolution.
Zachary Rogers
So 2700x + 2070 @1080p then?
Nolan Rodriguez
Its not more cores. Its because incel's hyperthreading is shit and makes single core performance worse. I bet for gaming if you disable hyperthreading on 9900k you will gain fps, but then just buy 9700k.
Leo Russell
>2070 >1080p I swear people in those threads have lower iq than room temperature
Why would you? Go for 1440p with that card. 2700X is a pretty good CPU.
Noah Miller
But I looked at most benchmarks and the 2070 barely reaches 60fps on most AAA titles
Luis Turner
It seems a little overkill for 1080p. For 1440p its just right but you won't get 144Hz. more like 60fps-100fps
a 2080 will give you 144hz in 1440p at most titles.
Christopher Roberts
Do you really need to play every game on ultra?
Ryder Roberts
Lmao what? My vega 56 plays 1440p. I seriously doubt 2070 would struggle, unless you mean with RTX(tm) on.
Eli Hill
Thanks Yes
Leo Davis
Why the fuck would you play with rtx on? The game starts looking like a shiny turd.
Liam Peterson
I just want more frames
I meant playing everything on ultra/high-ultra
Logan Sanders
Then the 2070 would be perfectly fine for 1440p 60-100 fps depends on the games. Some goywork has no visual improvement worth the performance hit.
Josiah Adams
Fucking hell, so the 9900k runs hot as fuck right? Money was not an issue for me, but I don't want to buy something that runs super hot that is only a small upgrade over the 8th gen i7. Should I just buy an 8086k or 8700k and maybe get it delidded? AMD to me doesn't seem like a good choice looking to the future, 4k performance is equalized right now because of gpu bottlenecks, but that will change in a couple years.
Juan Fisher
get 9700k superior to both 8700k and 9900k.
Ryder Reed
The 8086k is a memed 8700k. Delid is also a meme because even the 8700k runs hot its still perfectly fine everyday use. Put that money on a good cooler instead.
Jose Hughes
as a current 2500k/r9 290x owner, this is the direction i'm leaning, waiting for some dedicated benchmarks, and whether air cooling is feasible.
Liam Long
Does it have the same thermal issues though as the 9900k?
Jason Cooper
>incel's hyperthreading is shit and makes single core performance worse lolwut. That hasn't been true since Ivy Bridge, and even then it was like 2% at most.
Matthew Mitchell
not clear, the only stat's i've seen on it come from the anandtech review, pic related
why not just use the stock cooler, is it really that bad?
Henry Edwards
is it worth selling a 6600k/rx580 rig and then buying a 2200g? i only play csgo and if i need a gpu i'd get a rx 570.
Sebastian Perez
None of Intel's k-skus come with stock cooler because Intel's stock coolers ARE that bad.
Matthew Scott
The stock cooler yeah. But budget like the 212 Evo should be fine stock clock.
Mason Campbell
The solder on any CPU is inherently not ideal. Even Ryzen CPUs can drop temps with a delid, which is because the solder is a thicker material than conductonaut can be.
It's true even for 8700k check cs:go benchmarks for 8700k with hyperthreading and without. >inb4 something something source engine is shit That's exactly the reason why it's perfect for single core benchmarks.
Camden Garcia
I thought it was just overclocking the 9900k that was leading to thermal issues. Because a stock 9900k should be faster and "better" than an 8th gen chip and worth it if you don't care about money. Anyone know what stock thermals are like or have I misunderstood the stuff I've read and seen? Is it just disappointment with how the solder isn't getting better results than paste?
Chase Ross
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Thomas Stewart
exdeeeeee
Hunter King
Helping a friend build a pc, his old one died recently but some parts are still working. Is this build good for the budget?
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/83Tfkd >budget 300£, up to 330 if needed >List your uses gaming, currently playing maplestory2, photo editing >Other stuff Monitor is 720p, will upgrade in the future along with the GPU Mini tower because he's traveling and wanted something small.
Just looked around, all the big youtube reviewers don't or barely touch on thermals. GamersNexus only had thermal data under blender load, the 9900k has about equivalent thermal performance to the 8086k. both stock and overclocked. Nothing too "bad" just extremely disappointing its solder vs paste. .
Dominic Garcia
You are wrong. GN temps are Delta T over Ambient, so you need to add 20-22 degrees C to their measured temperatures to get the actual chip temp.
Jordan Baker
>looking to the future To the future, the 7nm/10nm jump will be what matters, not 14nm+++ refreshes. If you think that you'll buy new powerful 7nm GPU and will then be happy to use it with 14nm++ hot shit CPU rather than upgrading that to 7/10nm as well, then go ahead.
Chase Watson
How the fuck can AMD even compete with Intel anymore?
i9 absolutely destroys Ryzen
Aaron Bennett
With yields. Then can afford to sell their CPUs at half the price with no loss and still have decent margins, Intel can not.
Tyler Powell
can any of you anons suggest/link a good one that still falls within budget?
Tyler Diaz
I know, but the data still shows 8086k and 9900k being similar thermally. ambient +32.7 vs ambient + 36.9.
That depends, the 9900k literally reaches 85C with a NH-D15 under Blender for example.
Henry Bailey
because its a lot of money. cost of living is way more expensive here too.
Jackson Morgan
That seems really bad to the point it would be widely reported given that's not even full load, do 8th gen intel chips with paste get that hot too? I'm on a 2700k so I don't know how hot the paste chips get outside of what I read.
