I'm trying to land my first CS job...

>6 years
jesus christ how

Admirable dedication. Have you been working a (non dev) job during those years?

The hiring system is so disfunctional so I can believe him. Once you have a gap people will just assume there is something wrong with you, and it won't matter how skilled you are.

Hiring just doesn't make sense. There's no way anyone can ever be confident that that happened to pick the candidate who is actually the best suited to the job. It's just a bunch of bullshit.

Life is about being lucky. Success leads to more success. Miss your first chance and you will fall further and further behind.

I'm currently trying to decide if I should just start over again because I'm stuck. Back to school for a second Bachelor's.

I have even less success getting non-dev jobs. Once got rejected by McDonalds for my 24/7 availability not being available enough.

Recruiters work best if you are hopping from one cushy corporate job to another. They are best at getting you out of one cubicle, into another. Remember that recruiters are not tech people, they are people's people.

>Been trying to get a dev job for around 6 years now.
Just end it already. I had job offers before I even graduated.

I managed to land a job and flew a state over just in the nick of time to escape that hell despite being underutilized.
Most of the IT/Engineering jobs seem to be in Sydney and Melbourne.

At the very least for the time being Sydney CBD it is rather calm and quite. If I happen to leave work late and catch the public transport I don't have to worry about getting mugged.
The amount of homeless people seems to be rising however, and the cost of living is quite high, barely making any savings on a 60K salary, but that's just cities in general.

Tempted to move elsewhere, I have that option working for a multicorp but every other country seems to have its economic woes as well so I don't know if it is worth the hassle if I am already somewhat comfortable here.

If I tracked you down and beat you to death with your own skull I would be 100% justified.

The entire industry and job market in general is bad and a huge ripoff.

Go into business for yourself. You won't get ripped off and you'll be a fuck lot happier.

Out of sheer curiosity - how much do you manage to save? I can save maybe 5k and I earn 80k AUD

depends, my estimate is around 1.5~1.7k in savings per month factoring in life necessities like rent, food, and transport.
But something unexpected could happen such as having to visit the dentist and you get fucked out of as much as 7K at the drop of a hat then you are back to square one.

When salary increases the savings increase as well since rent and food remains around the same price, well that is a lie since there is inflation but it is not that drastic (you'd hope). And the tax bracket doesn't increase by an awful lot.
So I will get more in savings if I hang in tight and manage to keep trucking along at my job long enough.

80K sounds like a nice and comfy figure if you are single. First thing I'd do is rent a larger space than my cramped studio apartment.

So what happens if you don't? You go to jail?

Nah. Then they take away the barely subsistance-level unemployment welfare and you starve in the street.

Hahahaha

I read this and I knew you were aussie hahaa

mate i am in vic and in the same boat

>forced to work for autismbuxx
I don't see why this is wrong.

I don't have an issue with working for your autismbuxx. I am laughing at the state of the job market in australia for literally anything especially it and cs.

Forcing people to work for subsistance monies (technically not even that, since the welfare comes first and is separate) under threat of starvation is unfree and forced labour, faggot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfree_labour
If you can't see the problems with this, I assume you're fine with outright slavery too? The orgs that benefit from this shit already joke about that.

I am fine with slavery actually the bible permits it

to address your point however welfare is money taken from people and you're not owed it so putting conditions on people so they can qualify to collect it is fine

>Forcing people to work for subsistance monies (technically not even that, since the welfare comes first and is separate) under threat of starvation is unfree and forced labour, faggot.
Shut up commie. Get a job or work for food.

>If you can't see the problems with this, I assume you're fine with outright slavery too?
Yeah, because it's totally comparable, right? I mean, not getting money for free is basically just slavery....

Faggot.

Credit for consistency, but you should still kys.

mate you must be me lol

dev work is hard to come by but so is non dev work like data entry

Australia sounds pretty based, desu. Putting undocumented illegals onto a separate isolated island until they either go home or prove who they are in order to get deported, forcing neets to actually work, strict control over chinks and trade with chinks etc.

lol we legit have faggots protesting to let them in even though they're from non war torn countries and obviously economic migrants

>80K sounds like a nice and comfy figure if you are single.
Not single, got wife and kids.

>First thing I'd do is rent a larger space than my cramped studio apartment.
I started nigger spending once I went down that route. Comfort comes at a premium

>we legit have faggots protesting to let them
You're not the only one

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If the government wants to stop welfare, then fine, they can do that. There would be a large increase in homelessness and crime and there's an argument that low income welfare is obligated to exist due to income tax, but okay. If the government instead wanted to provide proper assistance to get the unemployed actual legit paid work, like they did in the 1970s, that would be better. But what we are discussing is the government turning the unemployed into essentially a slave underclass.

>get a job
I put in hundreds of serious applications for job ads over the last year. Not all dev work either. Less than 5 interviews. No offers, obviously. What's your solution about that, asshole?

>forcing neets to actually work
No, that would be the full employment policy they had from the 1950s to the 1970s, as mentioned. What they do now is making neets into slaves.

>I put in hundreds of serious applications for job ads over the last year.
Aim lower, you're obviously trying to land a job you're in no way qualified for.

>What's your solution about that, asshole?
Stop being delusional and believe that you're entitled to a rock star job when you barely have any education and absolutely no experience.

>No, that would be the full employment policy they had from the 1950s to the 1970s, as mentioned. What they do now is making neets into slaves.
It's not, you're being forced to work in order to receive neetbux. That's literally not slavery, that's literally working for monetary compensation.

> If the government instead wanted to provide proper assistance to get the unemployed actual legit paid work,
It is paid work. You can collect government assistance but you have to work for it.

If you have something barring you from working like a serious injury you can still collect dole without working in australia

> I put in hundreds of serious applications for job ads over the last year. Not all dev work either. Less than 5 interviews. No offers, obviously. What's your solution about that, asshole?
are you the aussie who posted the post about being unemployed for 6 years? It and programming jobs are being given to indians and chinese because companies have petitioned the government to let them import workers because of "skills shortages" which just means they want to pay people less

> Stop being delusional and believe that you're entitled to a rock star job when you barely have any education and absolutely no experience.
this mentality is fucked

only boomers think this way

>aim lower
Not possible without applying for student-only internships, faggot. Which I can't get due to being long out of uni. Do you think I don't know what entry level is?
>working for monetary compensation
Not in the slightest. If that was the case we would get minimum wage for it, amongst other details. You're the delusional fucker here. Unironically kys.

suck a dick u homo

> Not possible without applying for student-only internships, faggot. Which I can't get due to being long out of uni. Do you think I don't know what entry level is?
tough luck man i wouldnt go back to school though maybe move to the states?

You have no fucking clue what paid work is, I see.

the latter part is meant for

You need a reality check if you've gone around for 6 years without finding a job. I'm sorry that Jow Forums is the place you need to find it.

>Not possible without applying for student-only internships
You can apply for other types of jobs. You're obviously not qualified for a developer position or whatever the fuck you're applying for.

>Which I can't get due to being long out of uni. Do you think I don't know what entry level is?
I think you slacked through uni and barely did any effort at all, and that you've most likely done close to nothing for 6 years and blame everyone else for your own shortcomings.

>Not in the slightest. If that was the case we would get minimum wage for it, amongst other details. You're the delusional fucker here. Unironically kys.
You're not a slave, you can literally just apply for any other job you lazy fuck.

offer us your definition of paid work

> You need a reality check if you've gone around for 6 years without finding a job. I'm sorry that Jow Forums is the place you need to find it.
lol i am not that dude hahaha we really need ids

but you're still wrong. forcing your own native people to compete with foreigners for jobs is disloyal and something a boomer would say. its particularly so because of the strict immigration and before the complete onset of feminism that boomers enjoyed respectable wages for entry level work

>forcing your own native people to compete with foreigners for jobs is disloyal
It's called a free market. Companies are in no way obligated to pay you money simply for being australian. Also, if your skills are literally so poor that piss cheap chinks can do it for a fraction of the wage, you're a worthless piece of shit anyway.

>and something a boomer would say. its particularly so because of the strict immigration and before the complete onset of feminism that boomers enjoyed respectable wages for entry level work
>BAWWWW MUH BOOMERS DESTROYED THE EGONOMY
Look at this faggot.

I'm out, I'm going to continue to believe that you're a delusional cunt until you post your CV and examples of the jobs you are applying to.

>you can apply for other jobs
Which I do, as I already said.
>you're obviously not qualified
Last interviewer I had claimed I was very much qualified, as I have already mentioned.
>slacked through uni
GPA of around 3.5 is slacking? Okay.
>done close to nothing for 6 years
Nope, been working on my portfolio when the government isn't wasting my time.
>blame everyone else for your own shortcomings
Nope, I put blame where blame is due. For example, not realising the importance of internships while I was at uni is on me.
>you can literally just apply for any other job
And not get it because hiring is fucked, yes.

Do you have any more projection to add? Still unironically kys.

>definition of paid work
Subject to award wages and protections, for a start.

I spent nearly 2 years unemployed to get a fulltime job, it was shit.
I paid a recruiter to get me into an unpaid internship related to my qualification for a few months then I quit centerlink the moment I was called in to work for the dole.

At the time I was lucky because I started receiving a fair amount of calls sometimes as soon as an hour after applying.
It is an underhanded way of getting a job but at that point I was willing to use any means necessary to gain an advantage.

I am tempted to relocate to greener pastures once I have accumulated enough experience.
But where to is the question.

Australian unis are notoriously known for being bad (our Erasmus collaboration decided to drop all Australian unis some years back because people just end up surfing and learn nothing) so a GPA of 3.5 doesn't really say anything.

Also, "working on my portfolio" means literally nothing if you're implementing fizzbuzzes.

> It's called a free market. Companies are in no way obligated to pay you money simply for being australian
its funny how boomers love free markets but never take them to their logical extreme

why not have a free market in cp?

furthermore, why not

> Also, if your skills are literally so poor that piss cheap chinks can do it for a fraction of the wage, you're a worthless piece of shit anyway.
typical boomertard post

the average iq of china is somewhere around 103 others stats say 90. Regardless its population is 1.4 billion, assuming a standard deviation of 15 points this means that 30 million chinese have an iq of over 130. Meaning they can do your job, my job or anyone elses job. therefore we need measures in place to protect our industry and our workers. I know you're too busy enjoying your cheap chinese knick knacks but retarded policy like this destroys countries' economies.

> Subject to award wages and protections, for a start.
> for a start
maybe the boomer is right you are a dumb cunt

what do you mean for a start? cant u give me a full definition

paid work is the consensual exchange of labour for (monetary) financial compensation

what recruiter was this mate?

> I am tempted to relocate to greener pastures once I have accumulated enough experience.
America is apparently good, but europe isnt bad either. There is a lot more demand there but the pay isnt as good as say in SF. However it is above average for the country you'll be living in.

this is very true. australian schools are major diploma mills. even g8 schools like usyd do nothing to punish plagiarism.

I wanted to ask mr. 6 years without a degree where he went to school but he might feel like he could be doxxed so idk

but if he went to some institute or some school that popped up in the last decade then it might be a red flag to employers that he is low iq

> I wanted to ask mr. 6 years without a degree
*without a job

>its funny how boomers love free markets but never take them to their logical extreme
>if you like candle lights, you must like forest fires, they're both fires, it's just the logical extreme

>Regardless its population is 1.4 billion, assuming a standard deviation of 15 points this means that 30 million chinese have an iq of over 130. Meaning they can do your job, my job or anyone elses job. therefore we need measures in place to protect our industry and our workers
No, let the free market run its course, you disgusting socialist.

Competition for jobs = increased quality of life and increased productivity

Government protectionism = complacency and reduced productivity (see literally every interventionist country on earth)

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If australias situation is similar to the situation in Germany, you'll always be able to land a job with respectable payment in construction or manifacturing, as long as you're ablebodied and not a fat cunt.

I dropped out of uni and am currently in an apprenticeship for software-engineering. Hope the best for you, but six years out looks terrible. Best of luck to you.

> No, let the free market run its course, you disgusting socialist.
cringe. you dumbass neoliberal. its a known fact that america's economic prosperity was due to its high tarrifs and protectionism.

> Competition for jobs = increased quality of life and increased productivity
Thats good but markets should be used as tools and we shouldnt pursue free markets to the determinant of our economy. in this case you are driving wages low and lower and forcing people to compete with people whose cost of living is only a fraction of what ours is (assuming u live in aus or somewhere in the west)

> Government protectionism = complacency and reduced productivity (see literally every interventionist country on earth)
like america (pre-nafta)? like germany? like china?

>what do you mean for a start
I mean that the forced labour we are talking about is NOT subject to award wages and protections, so it isn't legit paid work. Obviously. It isn't even paid at all.
>paid work is the consensual exchange of labour for financial compensation
Subject to award wages and protections, yes. And work for the dole bullshit is not consensual, not an exchange for money, and not subject to award protections. It does not fit the definition we apparently agree on even slightly.

I'm personally way too unprofessional to people to even remotely get a high pay job. I can't fake/act/dress etc like that at all it's like fighting against nature. You don't want me because I don't dress in suits and don't basically suck your dick? Then you don't deserve me. I'd rather not be miserable and be paid lower and to a degree enjoy my job than to be paid high and basically slowly kill myself mentally.

>its a known fact that america's economic prosperity was due to its high tarrifs and protectionism.
I'm not american, and no it wasn't.

>Thats good but markets should be used as tools and we shouldnt pursue free markets to the determinant of our economy. in this case you are driving wages low and lower and forcing people to compete with people whose cost of living is only a fraction of what ours is (assuming u live in aus or somewhere in the west)
I live in the west, and no the myth that immigrant workers are driving wages down is just that, a myth. It simply increases competition, not driving wages down.

>like america (pre-nafta)? like germany? like china?
You really want chinese economy? Sure bro.

Enjoy your race to the bottom and neo-feudalism, you retarded ancap.

>free movement of workers = ancap
See EU, not exactly ancap is it?

Both the US and Germany have a high amount of foreign workers and immigrant workers compared to other countries in the west, wtf are you talking about? Germany has literally 4-5 million turkish nationals working there, and an even higher ungodly amount of pollacks.

> It simply increases competition, not driving wages down.
thanks for proving you're a retard

you also failed to engage most of my cogent points from before so you're dishonest and a waste of time

to address your point; they compete by offering their services for less and if we look at immigrants not driving wages down that is simply due to them going on welfare but when they do enter the labour force then their presence leads to an increase in the supply of labour which basic economics dictates will lead to reduced price i.e. wages/salaries.

> You really want chinese economy? Sure bro.
My point dumbfuck is that they have one of the fastest growing economies and have been outpacing america and the world for years now

germany too is protectionist and while before trump it was exporting steel to america and placing tarrifs on american steel it managed to grow while rewarding its workers handsomely

> I'm not american, and no it wasn't.
here it is; from a phd in economics

theguardian.com/business/2002/jun/24/globalisation

Was meant for

>I just make up stuff that you didn't address, therefore I won the argument

>germany too is protectionist
See and

i can see browsing reddit has completely atrophied your critical thinking skills

whats ur point though

>wanted to ask mr 6 years where he went to school
Well I'm not specifying exactly, as you guessed, but it was a well established uni over 60 years old.

germany is still protectionism

the free movement of people is not the only thing that makes a country protectionist

germany letting in heaps of brown people is not for economic purposes but for humanitarian reasons and so they can carry out the kalergi plan. the free movement of people as used by free traders refers to allowing workers from one country to come to another country to fill vacant jobs.

freshplaza.com/article/191231/Germany-4th-most-protectionist-country/

express.co.uk/finance/city/906985/EU-Trump-trade-war-Germany-merkel-warned-protectionism-surplus

My point is that you're full of shit. Tariffs protect businesses from low-cost PRODUCTS, not working force. The US and EU has always been extremely pro free movement of workforce, which is why both have extremely liberal worker immigration laws (hence why Jow Forums is running berserk about visa workers for example).

Talking about tolls, taxes and import tariffs is literally irrelevant to the point you're trying to make.

You're a fucking retard and completely oblivious to history.

is it g8? that narrows it down but not enough for anyone to doxx you

See >the free movement of people is not the only thing that makes a country protectionist
No, but it is the issue that we are discussing now.

> Tariffs protect businesses from low-cost PRODUCTS, not working force.
which undercut domestically made products and causes domestic industry to go under

you dishonest cow

> Jow Forums
fucking redditors arent even discrete in hiding who they are

you are a literal fucking brainlet

>which undercut domestically made products and causes domestic industry to go under
I'm not saying that tariffs are bad.
We are literally discussing "them immigrants are stealing our jerbs", so why the fuck did you start posting about Trumps taxes on aluminium?

you're too dumb and too dishonest to carry this discussion with any further

>being pro free market ancap makes you a libtard redditor cultural marxist
This is your brain on Jow Forums everyone.

Admitting defeat, I see. The point is, China's economy is shady as fuck and is a literal shadow economy. Both the US and Germany have EXTREMELY liberal worker immigration laws, and you just used those as example as how great economies can become.

You shot yourself in the foot, man.

>Been trying to get a dev job for around 6 years now.
Is this real?

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hey if your demented brain thinks you've won go ahead and celebrate

I will. Enjoy your paid """""slavery""""" and anti-chink racism.

Yes. Still here. Fucking captcha getting annoying though, since I don't normally post this much.

I just don't believe you. Post resume and examples of jobs you are applying to.

Well don't believe me, idgaf. Not going to bother sanitising that stuff just for you.

well cunt, is ur school g8 or not? and what are you in that you're applying for jobs in?

>please help me Jow Forums
>okay, post your CV and example applications
>no fuck you

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what state are you in*

Wow. You really are dumb. You're advocating for a free economy without knowing the basics of supply and demand. Hint. If supply increases cost decreases. More labor = more supply = lower wages.
Honestly. How old are you and what country, because it seems you are boomer

i think he is the same guy as the dude who hasnt gotten a dev job in 6 years

if that is him, his low iq is probs why he hasnt landed a job

>is ur school g8
Not saying. You've got all you're getting.
>what are you applying for jobs in
Anything entry level software dev, entry level accounting, and occasionally technician positions. Because I have a bachelor in compsci and a cert iv in accounting. Fun detail is at this point after this much time I hate the Aust government enough to not want to participate in their economy at all. So these days, I apply exclusively for NZ jobs.

You think I posted here because I wanted Jow Forums's help? Lolno. I was at the gym shitposting between sets and wanted to complain. Also to advocate for murdering recruiters, because it really would make the world a better place.

>2018
>jobs

Literally too dumb to buy Bitcoin at the right time. Cringe.

Supply and demand aren't the only factors that play a role in the heavily regulated market that is employement, user. Australia has some pretty invasive worker right's laws, for example demanding minimum wage and working hours etc.

Free movement of workers does not automatically turn a heavily regulated market into a free market.

Fuck off, don't slander me with that ancap tard. I'm unemployed, not mentally disabled.

At the moment? NSW.

go work for a startup. work for the dole is only 2 days a week. loiter around every wework, fishburners, starthub hub (york st, wynyard), and tank stream labs. everyone there is crying out for devs. spend your free time on udemy and knock out courses like adroid or ios development, blockchain, etherium and soliloquy.

>work for the dole is only 2 days a week.
BUT ITS SLAVERY!!!!!!!!

> Not saying. You've got all you're getting.
relax autismo

> So these days, I apply exclusively for NZ jobs.
try the states

> Also to advocate for murdering recruiters, because it really would make the world a better place.
why are they so bad?

ayy lmao this tbhqfam

> Fuck off, don't slander me with that ancap tard. I'm unemployed, not mentally disabled.
sorry bruv lol

> At the moment? NSW.
well i assume you have been applying for work in melbourne too?