When do you think the ThinkPad brand peaked?
For me, the absolute best Thinkpad is the T40, the last real IBM ThinkPad, with a solid, clicky keyboard and lots of indicators.
When do you think the ThinkPad brand peaked?
For me, the absolute best Thinkpad is the T40, the last real IBM ThinkPad, with a solid, clicky keyboard and lots of indicators.
>the last real IBM ThinkPad
Isn't it x200?
T43.
Well, x200's don't have an IBM logo, but they're the last ones to have clicky keyboards. They were made during transition from IBM to Lenovo, before the chinks started doing everything wrong.
>no super key on the keyboard
>4:3 aspect ratio
These are deal breakers for me. I think I'd rather go for a widescreen T60 or something like that if I wanted to stay truly IBM. I don't know about xx00 series, and I'm planning to pick some ThinkPad from it to trannyboot, these might be the actual peak of the series, as you can run them 100% libre, and you don't get garbage like 4:3 displays and two DDR2 slots that seriously limit the usability of these machines because of how little RAM you can put into them.
>truly IBM
aww how cute he think a sticker means something
T410i, flawless business experience.
nope. manufactured in a foxconn factory for lenovo
>implying Lenovo hasn't ruined thinkpads
im saying the t60 is not an ibm product despite the badging
People still consider it to be IBM, because Lenovo didn't have time to alter (and fuck up) the design of it.
t60 was designed under lenovo, t43 was designed under ibm. most t43's were built in a chinese factory (quality issues at the mexico plant, lol) that lenovo used afterwards
objectively, the x220
nah, by then they abandoned 4:3 displays.
fuck 4:3 displays, desu
i'll take sata3 over 4:3 any day
because guess what
i can fucking hoop up my dell fp2007 anytime i want.
*hook
>>no super key on the keyboard
wtf, how is that even allowed?
16:9 is less useful even today.
I am not talking from performance standpoint. The x220 has obviously a better cpu as well. I am talking design and form factor
No super key is unacceptable for me, so x4x series is garbage to me, especially considering the aspect ratio. It would end up as a keyboard for another computer, just like my R60e.
I agree 100%. I bought a used T42 8 years ago and it was one of the best laptops I've ever had.
the design is perfect. for portability, you're better off with 16:9
this fucking argument that "hurr i can't work on 16:9" is just stupid, if people do actual work on a laptop, they fucking hook it up to external displays.
No to mention that most of the T4x came with a 1024x768 display, and the higher res ones haven't been made in years. Even a 1366x768 display has much more room to work. That extra 300 pixels makes all the difference.
Not to*
4:3 is much better for reading.
fucking retard i told you already it's not about improvements in technology, its about form factor.
T60p
t440p and W540 without hesitation
t. not an autistic nigger
Everything went to shit when they started with the 16:9 meme
16:9 sucks for fucking everything aside from movies and i don't give a shit about movies
I'm honestly not sure there has been a peak. I use to be one of those people who constantly shat on the new Lenovo keyboards until I tried them when I got an X230. I planned on modding an X220 keyboard into it but I just got a backlit one instead and it's fantastic. I like it better than the old ones. Then I thought the new hinges would suck but they're just as good, which I found out when I got a T450.
I currently own these ThinkPads
>R60
>W500
>W520
>W530
>T40
>T60
>T400
>T500
>T450
>X200
>X201
>X220
>X230
Got most of them from work when they were about to throw them away. All of them worked fine and just needed new hard disks, so I restored them all to working order. I mostly just use the T450 and X230. I
T61, Penyrn core
this
most people on /tpg are just contrarian fagd
also, E series are fine, even if they don't have a rollcage it's well built, i've been carrying around for 5 years a E531, wich have a 4cores/8threads i7 processor and that's pretty nice when you have to virtualise a lot of shit
No, it really is the T43.
>When do you think the ThinkPad brand peaked?
X61s, X301, T400
The X230, once modded a bit, is probably the best and most versatile machine overall imho.
You didn't tell me shit, you stupid cunt. Think about who you're replying to before you start making assumptions like a moron.
Prestigio SmartBook 133S
Why these models specifically?
The Thinkpad line peaked with the late Pentium Ms and early core series models. I think that they were still okay after that, but the switch to widescreen displays really didn't blow over too well, with the massive plastic bezels around the screen and the number of new lines of products that were created. We now live in a post-X1 and ideapad world where the Thinkpad name pretty much means nothing.
The X61s is the last 4:3 ultraportable. Unlike the X61 it doesn't have heat problems. The T400/T410 is the last 16:10 14" model. The X301 has a 13" 1440x900 LED-backlit screen unique in the series. It's sexy.
X61s still has heat problems with the wireless card, except the WWAN equipped models that came with a second fan, but those are rare.
What about the layout? I really like having the print screen key in a sensible spot on good old thinkpad keyboards. There are also issues like how they moved media keys onto the function row, even though they had no reason to move them off arrow keys.
I wish they had decent panels in 14 inch models, a 14 inch 1920x1200 IPS panel would be great, but even modern thinkpads haven't caught up.
At least you could replace the card. The X61's problem is more fundamental. That said, what finally killed my X61s was CPU fan failure.
>muh 120 vertical pixels
The 1440x900 TN panel is serviceable. Not great, but better than the 1280x800 panels, which I wouldn't use today.
I'm using the T420 with the 1600x900 panel, and I've been thinking about this mod, but it ends up being quite expensive. I don't know if I woudln't be better off getting a brand new Ryzen thinkpad and putting even more RAM in it to handle bloated webshit. Too bad you HAVE to get them with windows, storage and ram. I wish I could avoid getting all of these to get what I want and not have to pay a ransom to Microsoft.
Took me like a week to get comfortable with it. The combined media keys are alright as well except brightness, which kinda pisses me off but the old models didn't have separate brightness keys anyways. The volume keys are still separate.
I think the main advantage is having keys that are slightly larger and farther apart. I'm a big guy (4u) with huge fingers, so it's easier to type on these keyboards. They're also a lot more firm and they give more feedback on each key press. The older keyboards are still alright but feel mushy compared to these. The backlights are also a huge bonus.
>and they give more feedback on each key press
Wait, it's even more pronounced than old x6x keyboards? I don't like too much tactile feedback, I got really used to typing on linear switches, and if it's too pronounced it feels like it's hurting my hands. I'd have to type on one to know if it's acceptable.
>Wait, it's even more pronounced than old x6x keyboards?
Yes. It's almost like using a mechanical keyboard. I'd say it's about as good as one of the better IBM rubber dome keyboards but a lot more shallow.
>It's almost like using a mechanical keyboard
Keep in mind that there are many kinds of mechanical switches, like linear ones that provide no tactile feedback whatsoever, so you'r e not saying much.
>Ryzen thinkpad
I like Ryzen CPUs, but what is even left there of the old school ThinkPad design that makes you want to pick up a Ryzen ThinkPad over some other Ryzen laptop?
Should I get an old Thinkpad just for fun or are there better cheaper options when you just want to fool around with an old system?
depend the use, if you just wanna do some "office" stuff and internet things, old thinkpads can still do the job pretty well, if you wanna do some ressource hungry stuff or use a ressource hungry system like win 10, something older than a xx30 series will have a hard tiem
I can upgrade my T420 to Ivy Bridge if I want to. After that there was a HUGE stagnation in mobile CPUs and it took quite a while to even catch up with Sandy Bridge performance. By fifth generation of Intel i series you're on about the same performance level if you're comparing old m series to the ULV CPUs that have replaced it. I don't see a reason to go for mistakes like xx40 series, might as well go straight for the newest series.
>or use a ressource hungry system like win 10, something older than a xx30 series will have a hard tiem
nah
Clit
trackpoint
nipple
This.
I miss the clit so bad that I use barrier (a fork of synergy) to use an old thinkpad as a keyboard for my work computer.
I wish there were good keyboards with trackpoints out there, but the entire market boils down to the tex yoda 2, and that keyboard has plenty of issues.
pointing stick
Do you really care that such or it just brand loyalty that this point? I took the time to configure gestures and shit and now I use the trackpad on my T410 more than I use the clit.
>No to mention that most of the T4x came with a 1024x768 display, and the higher res ones haven't been made in years.
No, but they're around. I've been selling off a batch of 15" 2k 4:3 screens over the past year.
using touchpads feels fucking awful after using the trackpoint for three years
Are those the IPS ones?
>Do you really care that such or it just brand loyalty that this point?
Some people genuinely love the trackpoint. I don't see the reason to use any other pointing device for most uses, I'd only go for a mouse when playing FPS games or something like that.
I can't stand having to take my hand off the keyboard to use a pointing device, and pointing sticks are pretty much the only device that can do it, and they're quite comfortable to use as well.
I have a L412 running Debian that I really like
I know I can get a keyboard like this (although, I'd go for a SK-8855 as it has super keys which I rely on) but I'd have to get an overpriced used niche item, with some of them it's at least possible to swap the keyboard inside should it wear out (like on SK-8855, you just only need to take off the plastic bezel with the power button and it should fit perfectly.
Since I have a spare thinkpad, I just prefer to use it as the keyboard at the moment. I've read bad things about these new thinkpad keyboards and how screwed the middle button is in them, I don't know if older keyboards have similar problems.
>bought t60 for cheap four years ago
>fastforward to now and it's all I use
Fucking love this thing. Even if the bloat of the web and new software continues I'll just give up on it rather than part with this machine.
yes
before lenovo bought it
The T40-T60p was the best era for Thinkpads. They were all fantastic.
Using mine right now. I have some extras for parts because I can't imagine a world without one.