>Minimal base Programs >WM (window manager) dwm or i3 >Web browsers Firefox Quantum or any of the popular text based web browsers (w3m, links) hooktube.com/watch?v=cNr-nobIjks (Terminal-based Web Browsing with w3m) >File Manager Terminal (cp, ls, cd, mv) >Video/Music player mpv or cmus >Text editors GNU nano or Vim >Image viewer FEH or sxiv >Shells mksh or dash >Terminal st (simple terminal)
It doesn't look clean, it looks fucking retarded with the huge photos and text.
Jaxon Sanders
this nigga was busy thinkin about boys opinion discarded you probably have windicks 10
Brody Robinson
What more do you expect from a news site? In 2018?
Blake Ortiz
Appropriately sized content for the display.
Leo Parker
>reddit crowfunds am/wf porno to trigger Jow Forums link? I want to be triggered
Nathaniel Ramirez
Daily reminder that Office/LaTeX/pandoc are all bloat and groff/troff is the only true way to create documents on a UNIX platform. You heard it here first.
Levi Perez
Wayland vs. X for minimal Gentoo setup?
Hunter Torres
Well Wayland certainly has a tiling WM option. I hear it's pretty damn good too. swaywm.org/
I'm getting started with dwm, any tips for a good display manager (if one is needed at all?)
William Anderson
[fag@Jow Forums]$ startx
Jordan Morgan
>UPDATE: It appears STPeach is not happy about her likeness being used in the subreddit’s porn production, and Reddit has removed their project update post. Said the0clean0slate via PM: “ST Peach’s manager literally filed a DMCA notice that removed my post, so I would not like more trouble on this front.”
>The organizer also admonished Jow Forumsaznidentity members to avoid mentioning the streamer’s name in connection with the porn: “from now on, do not mention ST Peach’s name, or even ST Pear when talking about this project.”
>Redditors who admitted to posting about the porn shoot over at Jow Forums were then banned from the subreddit, on grounds of bringing them “unnecessary attention.”
Jaxson Butler
How? I keep trying to use RSS programs but I never set them up
Cameron Young
This, in all honesty I can see arguments for having pretty or utilitarian desktops, but to enter a login and password?
DMs are inherently useless bloat, and just another security risk
Jose Watson
Based and redpilled. startx is the best way to... start x! The name fits perfectly.
Parker Moore
The biggest, most elaborate and expensive self-own I've ever read. Holy shit
Brayden Jenkins
install newsboat put urls in ~/.newsboat/urls run newsboat press '?' for keybinds organize with tags appended to a url
Ian Ward
Firefox isn’t minimalist
Cameron Brown
and this is where these threads start going to shit
Joshua Young
We really do need a modern minimalist browser
Jose Foster
Sadly not possible. For a completely advanced yet minimalist browser, it would have to have been in development back when web browsers still were primitive and the web required very little. There's too much now. Just like how you are pretty much hopeless in developing your own operating system from scratch, kernel and all (unless you don't want it to be the next big best thing, like what Terry A. Davis wanted for the minimalist TempleOS). The Linux kernel has more than six million lines in it. That's just one fucking kernel. Everyone was trying to capitalize off of computers back then because they were thought to be a fad so no good free software was out until at least 2003, and since 2012 computers have been capitalized off of further (but 10x worse) since they are guaranteed to stay relevant until the universe blows up. We're fucked.
Cooper Bailey
Firefox is only "minimalist" insofar as the modern web is so excessively bloated that you need something at least as bloated as Firefox get everything baseddevs put on it nowadays. Really the only competition is Jewgle Chromeberg which is proprietary and known malware and thus should be avoided. There really is no passable browser at all. The truly minimalist behavior is to mostly avoid browsers altogether. Get RSS feeds, view them in newsboat and watch their YouTube links in mpv, etc. or read text posts in w3m in newsboat.
Austin Davis
I see this thread has yet again devolved into a BORING argument about whether "minimalist" means small memory footprint, small featureset, not blatant adware, etc.
Removing firefox from the copy-pasted OP would go a long way towards making these threads better.
Dylan Ross
No one asked you to speak.
Jose Cook
Why not just use a webkit browser like surf?
Jose Davis
>webkit - a kit that has very little support these days Not advanced and open source at the same time, just open source.
Carson Powell
actually this it just works
it's a fatass but there really aren't any other decent options that actually just work if you need to interact with the bloated modern web like, if it weren't for the captcha, I'd just use links2 in graphics mode here I go on exactly one site that you can still reasonably post to from an old-fashioned no-JS, no stylesheets browser, and that's because it's an ancient phpbb forum.
>xubuntu >mint xfce >minimal like, I like ubuntu, but even its "minimal" install is fat as shit also, xfce isn't actually minimal
always did like using window maker for my DE on minimal setups incredibly small footprint (you can use it on machines with like 16MB ram), lots of features, good customization options, looks pleasant it's not for everybody, but it doesn't forgo user-friendliness
Carter Adams
Maybe we can invent some kind of device that hooks into an ethernet cable (or wifi) and lets you send and receive raw binary data with your tongue. We could then wear robes (dense so you can also use it as a kind of comfy sleeping bag) and just internet on the floor in an empty internet room.
Daniel Davis
And if you close your eyes while doing it you can imagine any kind of environment instantly around you. It's the perfect technology, even better than the holo room in star trek.
>The truly minimalist behavior is to mostly avoid browsers altogether Is there a way I can have a website preemptively screenshotted and displayed to me as a picture?
I can have the forms and text and all the pretty stuff
Hunter Cooper
Change OP to /mvp/ - Minimal Viable Programs (and shut the fuck up about browsers)
This Minimalist browsers are: * surf * qutebrowser * palemoon
Daniel Perry
elaborate
Ryder King
why not?
Xavier Rogers
>Abandoned Webkit >Chromium engine >Palememe
Juan Baker
>it works >it's what's the best in chromium, without chromium bloat on top of it and without phoning google servers >palememe is literally old firefox before it went to shit, but with security updates, way fewer security holes, and doesn't crash with 10 tabs open
Lincoln Thomas
Word and minimalism don't belong in the same sentence newfag. go read the suckless philosophy.
Liam Morris
> and vimb
Cooper Gonzalez
some input latency is inherent to compositing, and yet more is inherent to the way wayland delivers events to programs. i've seen proponents boast that with the presentation extension enabled you can get wayland's input/rendering latency "as low as" single-digit milliseconds -- but that's already beyond the 1ms goal without even adding on hardware latency.
i know people want shiny new things but wayland needed to actually improve over x by making judicious design choices this time, but failed again
input lag is really starting to plague sofware, especially terminals and text editors. it's all cumulative and there needs to be more effort to reduce it, but you'll get nowhere if your display system itself is introducing lag
Aiden Cook
>some input latency is inherent to compositing, More than in, say, a computer game? I find it hard to believe any inherent latency is noticable latency.
Brayden Sullivan
Do you know what an init is user?
Lincoln Roberts
>More than in, say, a computer game? what are you asking specifically?
>I find it hard to believe any inherent latency is noticable latency. two things: it's cumulative, and latency doesn't need to be directly perceptible as a delay to mess up the feedback loop that regulates your fine motor skills, leading to more spelling mistakes, more stress, or programs just sort of feeling inexplicably crap
if someone added the amount of lag exhibited by xfce4-terminal (or, for that matter, st) to your already existing visual processing lag, you'd fucking hurl
Jack Peterson
>>what are you asking specifically? I'm asking if a compositing window manager necessarily has more latency than a computer game. Becuase computer games also go through the GPU but don't seem to have crippling input latency issues.
Parker Harris
video games aren't compositors
Kayden Brown
They're both slapping textures together in the GPU before sending them off to the screen, no?
Why do compositors have more latency than computer games?
Mason Long
Asus 701 2gb ram running debian with vnc to something more powerful locked in a secure room
i don't know, perhaps it's because of synchronization. someone better informed than me probably knows. all i know is that i've read over and over that the increased latency is an inherent consequence of being a compositor, and the same problem exists in all xorg compositors too. you can directly observe the latency by toggling compositing in any xorg window manager and dragging a window. it will lag behind a hardware mouse cursor.
Juan Taylor
it does look pretty comfy, i really like minal stuff but im stuck on a desktop at hte moment so it seems inappropriate
Joshua Young
is there a filter for mplayer that can force movies into an indexed palette? i want videos to match my tty and image viewer. it's kind of jarring to jump from everything amber to an explosion of colors from mplayer.
>Jow Forums >Memes a guy into presidency for the lulz and salt >Reddit >Can't even get a porno made ARE YOU EVEN TRYING REDDIT
Mason Garcia
you right. but the next wave of personal-server-like internet browsers will be minimal-able. problem is this current generation of browsers are the 'experimental' age. the same browsers ran java applets, flash, html5, etc... Gonna take a generation gap for browsers to break that compatibility line.
Wayland compositors are capable of skipping the compositing step entirely and scanning fullscreen clients out directly to the screen.
Dominic Cook
You should add Wayland there, you may call it meme now, but it sure is minimal compared to X.
Blake Ortiz
>giving user processes direct access to the GPU lol
Jordan Hill
How much latency is too much? You will always have 1 frame latency in worst case (vsync), but let's say it's 2 frames in reality. Is 30ms too much? And this I mean for latency added by compositor.
Tyler Smith
No, that's not what is happening. The client hands a buffer to the compositor, and it can decide to use that directly instead of using its own. The client has no knowledge that it's even happening.
Joshua Moore
You are literally drawing shit directly from the client, I don't see how this could possibly ever be secure, you need a buffer.
John Sullivan
The whole thing is implemented with dma-bufs, a handle to some GPU resources, and handed around as a file descriptor. There are no real security implications here, aside from securely getting the file descriptor from the client, which is easy and already handled by the wayland protocol.
Julian Parker
What's wrong with Gentoo?
Wyatt Ward
Nothing it just isn't minimal, probably the most bloated distro available period.
If you have a low ram mahine and reaaalllly need graphical web browsing just use netsurf. Low memory footprint and runs on a risc toaster for crying out loud
Benjamin Carter
Is this the lightest X browser? Links doesn't count
>Ninja is a small build system with a focus on speed. It differs from other build systems in two major respects: it is designed to have its input files generated by a higher-level build system, and it is designed to run builds as fast as possible. should've used sh I guess
