What's the most alien-like programming language?

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sepplmao

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befunge

bool allahuAkbar = true;

My god.

Brainfuck

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volatile std::string muslimQuote{"Islam is a religion of peace"};
assert(allahuAkbar);

pascal is easy, dummy

The head of my CS department came to one of my classes recently and gave a talk about APL. Crazy language.

It would be some sort of a lisp.

Certain things are constant accross the universe.
Some of these include:
- light is the most prominent energy source as all solar systems have a sun
- sensing light is the most practical way of gathering information about your surroundings because it's the fastest and practically always present
- an atmosphere is required to develop complex life as it shields he organisms from harmful cosmic radiation
- an atmosphere also provides a medium for transmitting sound
- sound is the second most convenient way of gathering information of your surroundings as it's not too slow, doesn't require direct focus and is practically always present
- as practically any movement causes sound it's easier to develop organs to make sound than it is to develop organs that make light
- sound will become the preferred method of communicating among a species
- if a complex language develops, it'll most likely be based on sound
- if a system for non-time-specific communications develops, it's most likely to model the earlier system but use a more convenient method of sensing, as in using sight

Same sorts of constraints apply to basic math. Simple counting and arithmetic couldn't become wildly different from how we do it. Things like base might change, but all the same rules would apply.
And about computers, silicon is the only material you could hope to build computers with because of it's electron loadout. No matter where in the universe you go, computers are either built from silicon or from organic neurons.
And the silicon computers are most likely to still use binary or trinary, simply because of how complex hardware would grow if it used bases other than 2 or 3, as that's the most you can do with a single element that holds a charge.

Befunge.

Well god damn user.

interesting, I'd never really made the link between speed of transmission and usefulness of a given medium. Do you have a source for that stuff?

Alien Programming Language, obviously

>ayylmaos
kek'd

One of the languages made for code golf. Take this O5AB1E program to calculate the exponent of complex numbers:
m

>harmful cosmic radiation
Why is it universally harmful?

Do you not understand how molecules work?

No, and I don't know how cosmic radiation works, that's why I'm asking

no one said brainfuck?

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I know Arabic, English and French enough to pass as a native speaking either of them. Meaning idioms and stuff included, "Why do the English die when they kick the bucket?", and "Pourquoi les français voudraient tellement qu'on leur foute la paix?", these two languages seem like hardened lava on the sides of a recently erupted crater, sure for the discerning eye there are forces of nature that shaped them the way they are now, and sure enough when viewed from the right angle you can find beauty in them (French to a greater degree than English desu).
Arabic on the other hand seems like it's been purposefully engineered, with simple universal rules, roots that when fit into known molds will generate meaning semi-predictably, means to make up words that didn't exist and have your interlocutor understand by just uttering them, the language flows and weighs the same as mercury. I am glad I know it.

Brainfuck.

Discrete math is literally universal, people who come up with these retarded "but what if their math is DIFFERENT" know jack about math.

The molecular bonds required for even the most basic of life would be shredded apart by cosmic radiation.

Radiation resistance is a trait built up over millions of years with incremental increases. Life would need a safe atmosphere to form first and then it would take eons of evolution to become resistance to the radiation.

Tardigrades are a thing now like most extremophiles but they started out as weak little single cell organisms.

Even silicon based life would be susceptible to radiation at first.

Assembly using raw binary

But user, assembly is a language that the assembler turns into machine code.
The very definition of assembly is that it's not binary.

Radiation knocks off your electrons, then your DNA goes HUUUR DUUUR then you die from cancer. Any questions?

Brainfuck is actually pretty simple to understand, even if it's unreadable.

Thanks user.

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Holy fuck what is this

Particles with mass traveling at close to the speed of light, any questions?

Fuckin' hell, this shouldn't have made me lose.

brainfuck

Java(script)

How is he supposed to provide a source for his opinion that cites basic scientific principals?

math is just our model for the universe, their brains may model the universe differently to us, they in fact may even inhabit different dimensions to us.

>muh math is universal
No it isn't. Our own understanding of reality and the tools we use to convey this understanding are human inventions. Our understanding of the universe is merely what we're able to observe in our tiny little corner of it. The universe is infinitely vast as far as we can tell, and there could very well could be distant parts of it that utterly BTFO our understanding of everything. The laws of physics that we experience in our little area could be unique to it.

You know only enough to think that you know it all. You really know nothing, so humble yourself you insufferable fart huffer. You're a speck of dust on a spec of dust pretending to understand the universe on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

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it's only alien to the common brainless blub programmer
once you've mastered the paren it's as easy at pie

Assembly

Wrong. Mathematics is probably universal and independent of humanity.

First, observe that there are provably infinitely many arithmetic theorems which cannot be enumerated by any procedure, hence Mathematics is not a formal model.

This implies that either there exists no procedure that is as powerful as the mind, or there are arithmetic theorems that the mind cannot derive. If there is no procedure capable of performing each task the mind performs, then it follows that no physical system can model the mind, otherwise we would have such a procedure. That would tell us very little about the nature of math. On the other hand, if there are arithmetic theorems that are unprovable by the mind, then the mind is not the creator of those theorems, implying mathematics is independent of humans.

>observe that there are provably infinitely many arithmetic theorems which cannot be enumerated by any procedure, hence Mathematics is not a formal model.

I don't know man. Your statement is intuitive but it need some proof.
There are formal models in which the set of theorems provable in the theory is enumerable.

Forth.
discord .gg/z2szGQG

>Mathematics is not a formal model.
well i think that's like, just your opinion man..

so what your saying is maths is independent of humanity but the aliens would understand the bit that we understand? what if the set of what they understand does not overlap ours?

Fuck off, ahmed.

Just use webdings with JavaScript and you should be good to go

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In my experience, either dc or sed.

>roots that when fit into known molds will generate meaning semi-predictably, means to make up words that didn't exist and have your interlocutor understand by just uttering them

What does this mean?

Forth is weird. Certain kinds of assembly.

Oooh, brainfuck is odd. Chef. Look up the site "esolang"

Math really is not universal. It's a kind of logic that fits how our brains handle logic, can be written and re-understood by us, and works as a model for our perception of the universe.

On one level, nothing suggests aliens perceive the world the same way as us. On another, we can't prove that the universe works consistently, or that logic is consistent, or that we aren't just in one part of existence (higher-dimensional stuff, like we're on the floor or in the ocean or some shit like that).

We really just have no way of proving or being certain of anything that could be called "universal" to other intelligences.

Malbolge

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Brainfuck

chef

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It would be low level as fuck. They dont need fancy bushit

>he hasn't explored even a trillionth of the observable and known universe
>he thinks he knows everything about that and what lies beyond it
Guess what, faggot? It's snowing outside where I live. This means it's snowing everywhere in the world.

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lyapas

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It would be high level as fuck. They don't need unabstracted bullshit

assembly is one of the more humane languages its instructions no faggoty fruity extra syntactical sugar

It also requires you to take a year off to write a Notepad. Something you can do in C# in about an hour.

If you think assembly is a good language to write a text editor with then you shouldn't be using assembly in the first place.

Says how much you don't know about arabic, yes roots exist but it doesn't guarantee the same predicted meaning at all in each different possible phrase (old formal arabic).

It is a rich language, but definitely not predictable.

>looks at some examples
>it's fucking math!
Really, nothing alien about it.

Clojure

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>complex and confusing
stuped and retarded

why do you wanna fuck me?

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No one wants to fuck you, Pascal. You gonna die virgin.

came to write this
>fpbp

Not an argument.
Let's take writing as a theme, in English we say write, writer for one who writes, book for the product of writing and library for the place were books are put. In Arabic we have the root for meaning of write as the three consonent k|t|b, put these in the verb mold _a_a_a, you get `kataba' : to write, let's choose the mold for one who does things, _aa_i_ you get `kaatib' : writer, now onto the the thing derived from it _i_a_, `kitab' a book, what about the place? easy, just use ma__a_a for maktaba and you get the word for library. Similarly to the root k|t|b you can take another root and transform it to get meanings pertaining to the linguistic field of the that particular root. Most roots are three consonant, but there are ones with four and five. So acquiring a new root translates directly into a much richer vocabulary.
I never implied or even hinted at complete predictability, and if anything you either are drunk causing you diminished mental faculties, or are just a natural, the exact term I used is `semi-predictable', and in effect why am I even trying to find logic in your post. Here is a (You) for the effort though.

t. spacealien

>this confuses and angers the basedboy

>dereference be upon him

everything after atmosphere is an assumption. 1) we've never seen an example of non-carbon based life, so the premise that solar radiation is universally harmful is just a guess. water being required, etc. probably true, but still a guess.
2) atmosphere also provides a means for transmitting scent/tastes/chemicals.
3) there are habitats where light and sound are less abundant or reliable such as underwater.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_systems_in_fish

this shit doesn't even have to be extraterrestrial to be alien. get away from anthro-centrism and try to imagine computer I/O devices based on ant pheromones, or squid ink, or peacock plummage mating dance.

Haystack or Pyth

That would look way better if you formatted it like a sane person and didn't deliberately try to use as many features as possible in a dozen lines.

Erlang

Congrats user you discovered the beauty of Arabic.
It might seem complicated at the first glance but it is so satisfying in a mathematical way.
The root dictionary is amazing. I use it to trim big words to find it's origin its a lot of fun.
I learned French awhile I go but due to little to no practice I forgot it.
Keep your languages in shape my man.

came here to post this

it's an esoteric language, the sole purpose of it to look alien. so it doesn't count, APL is a real programming language used by real people for real purposes.

Posting in a big-braned thread.

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Definitely Malbolge

Fuck off sandniggers.

fpbp

this
it's also apparently very useful in its own niche

APL derivative languages also happen to be named like MiB agents
>J
>Q
>K

fpbp

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