Why is internet and Telstra in Australia expensive?

imagine living in bumfuck nowhere and being surprised that you have subpar telecommunications infrastructure

FTTP was going to end up costing over 100billion.
FTTN was a stupid choice to sate NewsCorp.

FTTC for brownfields and FTTP for greenfields should have been the choice from day 1.

by and large though, population centres are very densely populated, then with a wide suburban sprawl around. while true that australia is massive and mostly unpopulated, the infrastructure needs only to be localised in a few large clusters on the coastlines, with limited coverage as you go inland, with internet/broadband needs inland mostly belonging to businesses anyway and requiring very little sprawl or wide-coverage.
it's also mostly stable with regard to natural disasters which mitigates cost of disaster risk, and urban development is pretty slow as the population is on a steady increase again localised mostly to the large population centres. as far as i'm aware there aren't many new settlements creeping up or developing far outside of the existing infrastructure.
it's not like they're working to improve anything, and it's not like they want to repair any problems that i or people i know have with their landline and internet connectivity. where does the cash go? who the fuck? what?

pic related, it's me on my nbn. wollongong side of sydney. cool copper.

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FTTP at the time was 50 billion by Labour, Lib/Nats decided to cheap out and their's was 30-40 billion

In the end though, FTTP was and still is what the network will eventually become, but we will have to wait for a future government to fix it.

Also, another key factor is that the ISPs didn't understand or realize that they had to pay so much to get the correct equipment to meet demand without too many slowdowns. They didn't, and maybe still don't, understand the sheer demand of modern telecom needs like streaming.

Faggot NBN chief even suggested that 'gamers' were the ones taking up bandwidth

"At the time" it was increasing weekly.
FTTC is what is should have been day 1 for brownfields.
Houses don't last forever, every brownfields FTTC would eventually have become FTTP due to knock-down rebuild by developers.

'At the time' was all we had, both Parties under predicted the true price.

What is FTTC? Also, I don't think developers would knock out fiber connections without rebuilding them. You can pay additional costs to get FTTP now, it's just overly expensive.

Fiber To The Face when?

2077, but for Australia that would be 2177

im literally on 2mpbs down and 1mbps up capped by telstra, and can only switch to a slightly less shity plan with TPG once i move out

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you can pay 60$ a month and thats like the cheapest plan thats reasonable without any mates-rates bullshit from the company
its definatly not EXPENSIVE but given the speed and the general go fuck yourself attitude from the provider (especially since you have to deal with indians to get anything working) becomes a white elephant

FTTC is Fiber to the Curb.
It's what is says on the tin - Fiber to the roadside curb, then VDSL (like FTTN) from there.
The biggest single line item for NBN rollout was fixing customer premesis after trenching. FTTC would have avoided that.
Part of NBNCo's internal documentation for early FTTC also allowed for a $300 upgrade from FTTC to FTTP providing you brought your premesis upto the standard of what a new Telstra phone line or NBNCo connection in a greenfields site (ie. You needed cat5e/6 from a single austel approved rj45/8p8c jack inside to the house to bare cat5e/6 leading out of the house, with a 25mm OD/20mm ID conduit running 1ft below ground level from that point to the curb or footpath with a pull rope)
If we'd gone with that plan we'd have had $300 upgrades to FTTP for old homes and guaranteed FTTP for all new homes (even knock-down rebuilds, which now largely are stuck on Fixed-point wireless where 1 premesis might be replaced with 3 townhouses)

Im afraid it doesn't matter. You faggots are getting replaced and in fifty years from now on, half of your population will consist of happas.

Telstra does unlimited plans now, but they have always been the 'premium' telco. Their service is generally good but it's customer service where they fall in a heap. Been on HFC Cable for 7 years now and have had maybe 4 unplanned outages (2 from storms, 2 from other causes), the others were midnight to 6am when they were doing maintenance. Speeds are also consistent, 115 down and 5 up (formerly 2.5) 24/7, no peak slowdowns that NBN users have to deal with. Unfortunately NBN is a complete clusterfuck, have to go over to HFC based NBN in May next year. The issue is, telstra provisioned their network so that it can handle 60% of premises connected without speed drops. NBN HFC requires 100%, and it will share 1792mbps down/192mbps up between 500 premises, per node. They're attempting to alleviate that with docsis 3.1, instead of node-splitting but it's still going to be the same headache. A few people on 100/40 plans uploading will bring the nodes to a stand-still. I know i'm fortunate in that i've had a extremely fast and well working connection, but it feels shit to have had the faster speeds for around 5 years, and have to go to something slower and less reliable (100/40 supposed about 96/38 is what it apparently caps at) the upload speed might be useful to some but i'm honestly happy with the around 700-800KB/s i currently get over telstra's HFC. I've had incidents where i've downloaded over 230GB in one single sitting with no slowdown (friend had no internet, came over and wanted to redownload their steam library).
FTTC = Fiber to the curve, so fiber optics to curve, copper line to house, will be gigabit capable quite easily (just requires the main node being changed over). FTTC/FTTP are the most ideal nbn connections, FTTN next, and HFC worst, as it's the most shared medium, fttn is like adsl, a direct line for you (provided cvc bandwidth is enough).

Well fuck, we should have just done that. Speaking from my own experience (I don't know cable specifics) but TPG techs put a white coax from the street to my NBN box in my house, from that goes a ethernet cable into their shitty, Chinese spyware-filled Huwaei router. Is that FTTC or still FTTN (with the node somewhere on the street)?

I thought happas were jap/americans? or is it in reference to all asian/americans? I'm not a 56%er so I don't know that term

Look up your address on nbn website, it'll tell you what your connection type is.

Because Australia is in the middle of nowhere where everything wants to kill you and then eat you.

Attached is speedtest of connection.

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Thanks, seems I have HFC. I'm considering getting a new router, my IT friend says Asus has come a long way with their offering but I'm still unsure of a decent one to get.

Well, I don't have copper to the house (unless the copper is in the street to the node somewhere, or is it to the side of the house (the NBN box), because from that box it's just the white cable.

I thought I remember the techs finding an underground pipe from the street to my box, so they slid through a cable.

this graphic is at least a year out of date, telstra haven't done data caps for all but the very lowest tier for ages now, so now you're only paying $80 a month or so for unlimited 50/20. I pay $70 a month with them because every time my contract is ending soon, I call them to "cancel" and tell them I'm switching so that they knock $10 off the price

He's on FTTN, that might be all his line is capable of, complaining to Ombudsman will do nothing (they only have the power to make recommendations/issue fines, not actually hand down a decision, it's really the ACCC/AAT(within each state i.e. VCAT/QCAT etc.) that goes after ISP's/RSP's and has proper authority to make decisions). It's VDSL so your line speed correlates with distance from the node, further you are less your total speed is, but on a much more aggressive factor than adsl. If you're beyond 400 meters you're lucky to get above 25/5 stable. Eventually all FTTN will likely have to be upgraded to FTTC.

You can look up your address on the NBN rollout map as i told . If FTTC you're in luck (it can typically reach 100/40 much more easily, and will soon be gigabit capable), if FTTN whatever speed you get (if you subscribe to 100/40 plan) is what you get, i.e. if you only pull 65 down on speedtest that's all your line will be capable of until it's upgraded/a node is moved closer to your premises).

As I said here I'm on HFC. Paying 70 a month for 50 (44.5) down. My speedtest earlier showed 47bmps so I guess I can't complain.

>Government are gonna sell NBN to Telstra outright for a pittance and not even insist on structural separation
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

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Yep, you should be able to get 100/40 down if you wish, only time you'll run into issues is if a lot of other premises around you on the same node get the same sort of speeds and start to want to use that bandwidth during peak. As i said earlier, it's 1796mbps down/192mbps up between 500 premises at the moment (with docsis 3.1 supposedly reducing that to around 300 premises on one node?) still going to be fucked when everyone wants to move onto higher speed plans. I'm in the same boat eventually, as going to have HFC NBN when I have to go over from HFC Telstra Cable next March. Since you're on a slower plan you'll be less likely to notice peak evening slowdowns.

Thanks for all the technical info

Fuck you city faggots are the swing voters that re elected libnats 3 times and fucked nbnco into the ground neck yourselves
Nah 2777
I had 8mbit adsl1re before this and 1mbit fixed wireless before that.
Even the cities have crap broadband
Nd then in a decade or two when Labor gets their shit together they well make nbn 2 and it will all start again

With dodo, pretty sure they bottleneck my internet. When I watch porn everything slows down to shit.

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I have to physically turn my router/ntd off once a day and back on to get anywhere near 25mbit at like 2am-11am

No worries, hopefully they will also consider doing node splits alongside the docsis 3.1 changes to HFC, as long as that's done it can potentially be a more reliable connection, the only issue though is if the bandwidth is there at the node for all users (smaller nodes = more bandwidth per user). Unlike FTTN you're not distance limited and can be far from the node and still achieve the full speed (my current HFC connection over telstra, am the last house on the line, approximately 4-5km from the exchange, yet still get the full 115 down 5 up due to the use of repeaters to keep signal strength)

Im happy with my internet, get like 40mb/s. does everything I need it without much of a wait

It's probably Dodo to be honest. Their peering/CVC capacity would be minimal due to how cheap they are as a provider.

>implying I've voted libs once over the last 15 years
>implying as a south australian I've ever voted nats.

Reee even if labors ftth went through to completion the helstra wholesale sell off back in the 90s by fucking Howard did too much damage and the libs would have got in any way and ruined it by not upgrading it

This. For the same reason it's easy to wire your house for gigabit ethernet, it's easy to have gigabit everywhere in some European country that fits in the average Aussie backyard.

That spelling and grammar shouts "LABOR VOTER" far louder than your mindless parroting of "Unca Kevvy would have make everything goot *^_^*".

Oh fak I hsv bad grwmrar and dumb because vote hah
Nice low effort reply fuckhead
Horse shit everywhere in aus has fiber backbone except from the node/exchange to the house
Nbn is congested as all fuck anywhere the pois where cut back basically overloaded and the design of the network since the mtmess set telecommunications back 20 years with vdsl cable wireless bullshit which is nothing new
I don't think we will lever get good broadband
Labor killed g8 which became nbnco which died and became (nbn) under libnats which died and now has no replacement or even a glimpse of getting finished before 2040 without costing trillions of dollars

Unless you counting on (private companies) deploying fiber to the home (lol) or cancer causing 5g

It's run by the emu mafia.

lifehacker.com.au/2018/10/nbn-the-silent-train-wreck/
Here's the short answer

Because the internet should be a fucking government owned structure to keep it cheap anybody who thinks otherwise about it like muh free market is deluding himself.

This had been running for 3 days. ILive 25k's from Sydney CBD with NBN planned for January next year which will be crappy HFC anyway, thanks boomers.

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I literally gave up trying to play new games mate I've had to redownload that fucker 5 times and each time I do it takes longer and longer since the nbn just gets slower and slower
The morons that think hfc/fiber won't have this problem are burying their heads in the sand the network is fundamentally flawed and will just grt slower and slower the more streamers connect and saturate downstream
Can't wait for nothing to be done about 1mbit peak speeds until 2020 when they update their network to do barely 25mbit minimum only to give up on that
All this hfc is gonna rot over time as well docsis meme upgrades won't matter a shit while copper rots and congestion gets worse and worse not to mention a fucking population boom so the retards in power will never upgrade anything to meet demand