/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Go ahead and enjoy your nothed breaking glas back premium experience while I enjoy actually good hardware.
Pic related is just for you, it's notched, curved, made from premium glas and doesn't have a 3.5mm port.

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I need something silent and powerful enough to drive a 21:9 4k display and 16:10 2k display.
Is the gt1030 good enough for this? I dont game and I plan on running linux so cards with great linux support is a must.

He uses $230 ram on both, retard.
I like how sometimes you go with what AMDware unboxed says and others you just say they can't test for shit.

If you don't do anything graphic intense you are fine with onboard GPU, other than that yeah 1030 is fine, just don't get jewed with the DDR4 edition.

>he is actually that mad
I don't want to make you more angry than you already are, but please mention your great hardware.

Why are his results so different from everyone else's, then?
He changes "testing methodology", if you can even call it that in his case, every single week. Lmao.
Yet he's the most trustworthy to you. Says a lot.

Integrated GPU would be fine.

At 15 fps, yeah.

Can someone please give a list of all the(good) things I'll miss out on if I decide on a full AMD system instead of a Intel/Nvidia combo? Are there any uses for Intel's Quicksync or Nvidia CUDA etc.? I know Windows Defender uses the iGPU anything else?

>He uses $230 ram on both, retard.
That's a lie. He couldn't get the RAM to 3466 CL14. He says himself that he doesn't know how to overclock... even though 3466 CL14 timings are already pre-entered in most high end motherboard BIOS.
This is the guy you put your trust in. Or you don't so much trust him, but cherry pick and cling to some of his results which coincide with your bias even though more reputable testers can't replicate his results.

>Implying intel
I haven't built a pc in a while so maybe im out of the loop but the ryzen 2700 doesn't have onboard gpu right? What would be the best option for video playback. Something that can play multiple 4k 10bit videos at once.

Ok got Mrk 2, but how can one tell the ssd speed? It just says connection type

>Can someone please give a list of all the(good) things I'll miss out on if I decide on a full AMD system instead of a Intel/Nvidia combo?

Gaming
Emulating
Adobe
Out of the box performance
Variety of ram choices
Windows 7

nothing except thermal meltdown comes to mind

Z2C, RN3P, OP3T/5 with the later already being infected with the rounded edges retardation, still best options available.

Quicksync you won't miss out on.
It's faster, but lower quality. Better to do it the proper and slower way which is faster on AMD.
CUDA is one you would miss out. If you NEED it, you should get Nvidia. There are some CUDA to OpenCL crosspilers out there, but you would have to be technically savvy and the software you're using would need to be open source to use it.

The main thing I think you're missin is that AMD APUs don't support some DRM/licenses currently. Like they have 4K Netflix, including on AMD dGPU now iirc, but as far as I'm aware they still don't have 4k blu-ray playback support. It is supposed to come with the driver update at the end of the year, I think? But really don't know.
The other thing is that the OpenGL driver isn't multithreaded, so with an AMD GPU it hurts performance in an emulator which runs like shit and uses OpenGL like Cemu, though most other emulators are fine.
I'm also not sure how good ROCm support is. It sucked last year, but there's been a lot of updates and AMD is partnered with Tensorflow.

Other than that, AMD GPU wise the software is mostly better. Like Relive only lowers FPS by 0.3-1.3fps compared to the 1.5-3.5% of Shadowplay. More control over over and underclocking the GPU compared to locked down Pascal. Other all just better.
And CPU wise, Ryzen is a plainly better architecture than *lake. It has actual working and secure SMT that just overall tends to operate more smoothly and much more efficiently.

No 2700 doesn't. Only the ones ending with G and the laptop H and U ones do.
1030 or something used that supports your resolution is a fine choice.
>10bit
I dunno. Pascal and earlier 10bit support is sketchy, but I'd assume it's still fine for just desktop video output.

The speed is based on the controller of the SSD and the the NAND memory.
Any 3D NAND SSD is going to be a lot, lot faster than a cacheless 2D NAND SSD like the A400.

Ah yes. "Good" hardware. I get you.

Red pill me on Clevo laptops, I want to build my on laptop but it's almost near impossible. Then I found Clevo and they look cool, come without software installed so I can just put Linux on it. Or are they trash sold by some Asian goberment? Some you can even remove the CPU and GPU and have a non-integrated battery

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Obviously better than your notched, curved glas trash with no 3.5mm.

Thanks for the none meme response. What about Intel instructions and deepfake porn and the like? Will i miss out on these?

Well... That's why it's faster, but I'm still looking on how to figure out how fast an ssd is

That's subjective. My only actual loss is 3.5. Everything else is subjective, besides my better camera, chipset, ram, screen, and so on. But I will let you think what you want to think. Who needs actual arguments when you have feelings.

pcpartpicker.com/list/Vm2xtg

Just went through on my purchase of these parts to compliment my RX580 8G. Light gaming (mostly flight simulators), lots of VM use and web development. I'm looking to get 4-5 years out of this, how did I did?

Once I can, I will be adding another 16GB to allow even more VM capabilities.

>it'll be superseded by 7nm CPUs next year
Citation.

That comming from a notch cultist who sucks up everything useless milenial designers throw at him is very rich. You are the reason why technology is going downhill, be it RGB fiesta mobos, notched smartphones or the tablet toy cars we can currently enjoy.

pcpartpicker.com/list/B8qTV6
> mobo not compatible with cpu out of the box
> mobo has no wifi

I can't boot this thing like this, router is in different room and am phone posting because no PC.

About to pull the trigger but i need to check everything fits together before i do. Have monitor already

correction: 0.3-1.5%.
Relive also has h265 and h264 encoding support while Shadowplay is limited to only h264. Too many things to list there though, really.
AMD also has StoreMi, which is actually good like what is used in enterprise servers and makes Optane actually work, whereas the caching software Optane comes with sucks ass and made it a joke.

>What about Intel instructions
Ryzen supports AVX2. AVX512 and such is mostly irrelevant.
It lacks some instruction set which makes *lake up to 30% faster in emulators. It means the 2700X stock roughly matches a 4790k @ 4.4GHz OC in in PCSX3.
Some shills make that out to be a big deal. But... most people on a 4790k are perfectly fine with that emulation performance. Same with 2700X.

I did leave out that Ryzen is overall better for virtualization. amd-v > vt-d. There's quite a lot of things like that.

Ultimately you'd need to figure out which application(s) matter to you much and which transparent and accurate benchmark represent which CPU is best in it. And whether the higher result actually matters.
Like to me, 5fps higher doesn't matter. Having 20Gb+ worth of applications running in the background like an IDE, profilers, browsers, videos, and so on running in addition to that game without significantly hindering performance is what matters to me.

No one complained when we had "wait for 9700k" in the OP for like 3 months only for that to be way worse than expected. Now you guys complain every thread about wait for 3700X.
Citation is that TSMC says their new node makes for 35% faster chips. Even if you want to be super conservative and say 20%, that still puts the 3700X ahead of the 9900k without being a housefire and it likely won't be overpriced, either.

I've looked at those before, but i dunno... quality of screen, cooling, and some such would concern me.
But if it fits your needs... you don't really have another choice, do you?

Aren't they intel only? Man I wouldn't want to put one of those housefire chips in that. Keep in mind that actual OEM laptops have direct die cooling on the laptops. They aren't muffled by shitty TIM.

A400 is like.. 4x faster than a hdd. A decent newer 3D NAND SSD would be around 2x the speed of the A400.
Hard to quantify though, really.
But plus like... 2x the storage for 1.5x the cost ??? That's a good deal.

>35% faster chips
That means an i5 will be faster than a current i7? When next year? Late in the year? I was going to build a new rig but I might wait.

>waah you are the reason things I don't like exist
>I won't tell you what's bad about them though
Yeah I got that message already. You wanna come up with something new grandpa?

My god. This is about Ryzen you dumbo. Intel will be 10nm at best, and it will be later in the year.

H1 2019 is expected.

Much of Apple's massive performance improvement over previous generations was the move to 7nm from 10nm. 14nm to 7nm is going to be even more huge.

Intel's 10nm is 90% equivalent to 7nm. They may as well (and might) call it 7nm or 8nm.
But yeah. Intel's 10nm actually appears to not be coming until mid 2020. Not even next year.

>intel
>10nm

I hate that they come with the stupid windows button already on them but they look okay i guess. I want to build a desktop and have it run linux but what if i need a laptop in the future? And it's kind of dumb to build a desktop just to go out and buy a Dell

Good lord. Imagine the amount of memes in this general when Intel drops 14nm++++++ and it's still shit. Imagine Intel getting shit on by chips that came out earlier. Fuck me.

>grandpa
Go back to playing Fortnite you autistic child.

9700K was a confirmed product 3 months ago. 3700X is not.

That was the old 10nm, their actual 10nm node is not 90% of TSMC 7nm.

>Who needs actual arguments when you have feelings.
lol

>boomer getting this upset

This is how the guy thinks. He has been shitflinging for hours now and still hasn't told me why the things he hates suck. Only called me consumerist scum over and over and told me I'm the reason it's a problem. I can appreciate the grind but I'm just trying to understand what is wrong about a notch if you can turn on a setting that lets you hide it

What about intenso ssd?

>what is wrong about a notch if you can turn on a setting that lets you hide it
>what is wrong about win10 installing candy rush saga with every update on your computer without your consent when you can simply uninstall it every time
You zoomers really have brain damage from eating those tide pods.

That was hilarious though, to be honest I don't know about any of this tech. I have a flip phone and a mp3 player lol

>Imagine the amount of memes in this general when Intel drops 14nm++++++
Isn't 14nm++++++ what they're on now?
Broadwell
Skylake
Kaby
Coffee
Coffee+
Oh it's 14nm+++++ currently. But Coffee+ doesn't seem to have any node improvements over Coffee.

So yeah, when they launch Cascadelake or whatever next year, still on 14nm, up against Ryzen 7nm... it's going to be a hilarious disproportion in perf/watt and overall perf. That's why they rushed out this Coffeelake refresh with shitty solder to grab the last bit of cash they can.

Really? Do you have reputable specs on it? Like density, leakage, updated gate size, etc? I saw a chart from like 2 years back and it was about 90% that of TSMC's 7nm.
But by the time 10nm comes out, ESMC is going to be on their EUV 7nm+ which is a much more massive upgrade than a "+" node would usually be, anyway. It's really looking like Intel is going to have to just sell their fabs lmao.

If their fabs were a separate company like GloFo, they'd likely be bankrupt with no one wanting to use them at the cost they'd cost.
In fact, Intel had partners in their fabs which have pulled out. They cost LG about 1.5 billion dollars in completely wasted investment money as LG is not using the non-existent 10nm node they invested in and instead are using other fabs they invested nothing in.

File it off idk. I'd look into just make a mITX build, and getting a foldable screen+keyboard combo
windowscentral.com/microsoft-universal-foldable-keyboard-review like this
You can plug PC into a lot of tablets to use purely as a monitor.

That way you can make a sub ~43w total system with a 2400GE with super long battery life and still able to reasonably game that's also not loud. The mITX box can also charge the tablet, obviously.

>tfw waitign until black Friday to buy PC parts
>the cheap ram in my cart got sold out some days ago
>the motherboard price got raised by $15 yesterday
>today my SDD got sould out
Why is this happening to me?

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>what is wrong about win10 installing candy rush saga with every update on your computer without your consent when you can simply uninstall it every time

Yeah that was crazy, really made me want to switch o I'm looking at different Linux distros. Plus all the spyware, meh

>chart courtsey of intelunboxed

depends on the game
if you're the type of person who uses windows defender, you will miss nothing
>Windows 7
completely wrong, there's even a link in the wiki for how to install win7 on a ryzen.

>File it off idk. I'd look into just make a mITX build, and getting a foldable screen+keyboard combo
windowscentral.com/microsoft-universal-foldable-keyboard-review like this
You can plug PC into a lot of tablets to use purely as a monitor.

>That way you can make a sub ~43w total system with a 2400GE with super long battery life and still able to reasonably game that's also not loud. The mITX box can also charge the tablet, obviously.

This is actually a good idea. Never heard of a foldable screen though? And I was wondering about a rechargeable battery, that you can put into it not as the permanent one but just in case

Next level. MP3 players are the bomb

Nope. Not the same because notch provides extra screen space for notifications, so its useful.

I don't mind Intel getting cucked as much as I mind the amount of redundant shitposting it's gonna be result in here

Is it possible to flash this particular bios without cpu so that 2600 becomes usable?

No

Well wtf the user recommending this board smoking???

>notch
>useful

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We told you not to wait already, most likely. It's said almost every thread, that the prices lately have been extremely good.

I mean you get a tablet like that where you can folder it to prop it up. You just use the tablet as a monitor for the little mITX PC. Easily transportable in a backpack or laptop case.
I'm not sure if there are foldable keyboard+monitor combos that you hook up to a PC. You could try searching, or create it yourself and make a kickstarter.

Very few 300 series boards had that feature. I don't know if that one did or not.
Part of by B450M Mortar and B450 Tomahawk are recommended is that they do have that feature if you ever need it in the future. The 300 versions of them did not, however.

>iphone
I don't know if you're just ignorant or actually don't understand that there is space for notifications and similar things like batterylife on both sides of a notch, and that if the pixels are turned off, you don't see a notch, but get more screen because are storing notifications up there

Intenso or kingston ssd?

Kingston

>make a kickstarter
Shit if that was the case might as well start talking about making "build your own pc sets"

Laptop sets* I mean

Neither.

pcpartpicker.com/list/HjzqV6

Is this a reasonable for me. price point is 1500.

maybe a little vidya editing and some gaymen. I want shadow gay so 1070ti. I got one stick of to upgrade later.

I orginally was gonna do r7 2700x, but it sorta broke my budget, and thought to myself I could just overclock it more. But perhaps I should put that savings form getting a 2600x into faster ram? iunno I kinda inexperienced.

what do you do when a program on fullscreen freezes? i reckon i could del+alt+ctrl to open task manager and get out of the program in windows 7 but on 10 this doesnt seem to work. im just stuck on the thing without being able to alt+tab away or alt+f4 until i restart

Are 144hz monitors really that bad for picture quality? A guy is talking about throwing one in along with a second hand pc. Should I just go for it and use it as a second monitor?

>still defending this useless nonsense

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>Still no argument

>paying for windows 10
>cucking your networking performance instead of gigabit lan

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Funny. You have 0 arguments. They don't have to fit any criteria besides being valid.

So is ddr4 the only reasonable upgrade i can make right now (maybe even 16gb) ?
I do mostly gaming at 144hz and use firefox
pcpartpicker.com/list/J3BXdX

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Case and point.

pcpartpicker.com/list/9j6kRJ

Run ethernet, pussy.

They're not that bad. I've used my 144 Hz TN panel as my main monitor for 3+ years and it's fine for everyday use in my view. I'm sure it would look inferior to a high quality IPS panel for observing still images or watching movies from off angles but if unless you're very picky then you'd be crazy not to take it especially if he's throwing it in for a good price.

You can't put DDR4 in that motherboard, it's DDR3 only. The only reasonable upgrade would be picking up an i7-4770 (if you don't need to OC) or 4770k (if you need to OC) and running your OS off an SSD if you don't have one already.

See I don't even know if you are pretending to be retarded.
The only argument I got was
>Im too lazy to turn it off
Which would be valid if the notch had no benefits, but it does.

im gonna get a new mobo and ddr4 ram soon, my i5 4670k is set at 4.6ghz and is running fine so i doubt i need to upgrade now

It's all relative to what you consider fine. It depends on what games you play. 4 threads won't be enough for 144 Hz on certain games even at 4.6 GHz. Pretty impressive you can hit 4.6 on that fucking mobo.

you can benefit from multithreaded performance
depending on how your cpu is being hit you could effectively see better single core performance since you won't be swamped by i.e. windows fucking around in the background

r5 2600 best cpu right now or should i hold out for refresh ?

>pcpartpicker.com/list/HjzqV6
Don't know how you made such a mediocre PC so expensive.
pcpartpicker.com/list/HYMLq4
Better PC and monitor for cheaper.

amazon.com/ASUS-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC1900-Adapter-PCE-AC68/dp/B00F42V83C/ if you need a wireless card.

If you really don't get stuttering, hitching, freezing, etc, and have no problem with your i5's performance currently, then no there is no reason to upgrade.
2600/X is the best for the money currently.
The upcoming launch isn't a refresh. Zen2 (3000 series coming next year) is an architectural improvement in addition to the new node.

What's wrong with windows defender

>benefits of the notch
Yeah like apps need to be redesigned to fit this autistic design, which results in bugs. Rounded fucking edges on the screen because you know all media has those rounded edges in the picture
Muh more space on screen that is absolutely irrelevant because phones with a big notch dont have enough space to display shit on the sides and if you make it too small aka teardrop you lose functionality like a notification LED.
The whole design is flawed and has zero benefit, it's just a gimmicky retard milenial pseudo innovative design nobody needs but everyone adopts because Apple did.

why the fuck are so many people complaining about phones ITT for fucks sake it's making people complaining about the OP look like decent people

apple shills are worse than intel shills, stay in your containment threads for fucks sake

thank you very much

Finally. Valid arguments. But the thing is that when you turn it off it just acts as a bezel that holds notifications, and doesn't affect the few apps that still don't support it. But that argument is valid. I understand that.

Nobody is shilling for Apple. And honestly the phone discussion is better than the constant Amd/Intel shitflinging. I don't even care who is right at this point, I'm tired of seeing the same fucking graphs and wojaks. I just want to discuss hardware, not measure penises about which billion dollar company is giving me more for my shekels, and pretend I'm big brain because I can read a graph and see when something is better value

Well, i ordered my stuff... Now gotta figure out how to get grey market win10 key and what to do with the 3 free rx 580 games. I don't want Assassin's Creed, don't know anything about the other 2.

Where can i go and get that figured out?

Do you folks discuss laptops here? My friend wants a "gaming laptop" for playing when he comes over to visit. I don't know shit about laptops. Is there a guide anywhere?

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>gaming laptop
no

A good guide to gaming laptops is pretty much
>don't
But if I was to give advice I would need to know a bit more about what he wants. Personally I have an HP Omen with a 6700HQ, 16 gigs of ddr4 and a 1070, which I use for gayman and editing/designing at school

I know it's full retard but it's what he wants. I think he's going for gaming + easy portability. I will look into the HP omen

What refreshrate, resolution and what games?

New Zephyrus with the 1070 max-Q and 6 core, 144hz 3ms VA, but battery life is shit.
2800H laptop for budget. They're only now just starting to come out.

Don't really think anything else is worth considering. A lot which seem decent on paper, like the Dell G3, are loud and hot as fuck.