"Dark UX patterns"

As someone who recalls the time when Jow Forums made HN blush, we need a current year version of this

archive.li/nKSDl

Of course. Steve Klabnik posts there and he is an actual Communist.
The support in the comments for SQLite getting its CoC reassignment was disgusting.

Oh there are even few openly commie well known commenters who never get called out for their retarded bullshit religion.

>Jow Forums
For fuck's sake. Anyway, that thread was perfect until it appeared on the front page of HN. No need to redo it and invite the unwashed and poo-shoed San Franciscan masses here again.

news.ycombinator.com/user?id=moldbug
news.ycombinator.com/user?id=urbit

>For fuck's sake.
i tried to be meta, user

Several good threads on the front page now. I'm actually impressed.

The main problem of HN are the Google Go shills

>Post a controversial article

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>You don't need learn math
>high school math is overrated
>In case interesting topic linked start sci-fy opinions as new ideas and fanboy wars over any stupid things

They have nothing on the Rust shills. Just look at this shit.
hn.algolia.com/?query=by:ilovecaching rust erlang&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment
>As someone who has worked two jobs now writing, deploying, and operating Erlang clusters, I recommend switching to Rust.
WTF?

news.ycombinator.com/user?id=moot

HN has always had massive problems understanding that languages are tools that fit to solve different problems, but then again, I think most HN users are some VC or Startup marketing shills who have never done any dev work and they drove the actual devs out years ago, bunch of hipster faggots.

>HN has always had massive problems understanding that languages are tools
So, like Jow Forums?

Like any internet forum programmers.
Screeching features favorite language as Comic nerd fictional combats

Not exactly the same, Jow Forums has language tribalism, HN goes for the flavor of the week, when the next bullshit comes along they insist that it's the best for building everything and has the greatest ecosystem and tools, even if it is a specialty language for building eroge games.

>How we replaced our Ruby on Rails app with Ren'Py

news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=creep
>Woman in HN
>Never post on tech thing but social issues

If she posted on tech, you wouldn't even know she was a woman.

Jow Forums is much worse

this, except Jow Forums is just a bunch of boomers so they're into shit like C

>Jow Forums is just a bunch of boomers
What? No, Jow Forums is underage b&s playing pretend.

Its too political just like Jow Forums.

The butthurt about the meme was/is real, boomer. Millennials a shit.

>Millennials a shit
As a Millennial I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that the median poster on Jow Forums is much closer to 15 than 30.

It's not actual boomers, it's a bunch of students/hobbyists in their late teens to mid 20s who use C to write toy programs as a way to feel superior to actual professionals building useful things with modern languages

Nice thumbnail fellow redditor.

Ssh you idiot if it gets out its ruined. I know it feels great revealing insider knowledge but Honestly dont.

Let's not forget how they treated Terry

This. They called him racist, can you believe that?!

what do you think this place is? this is a fucking MSM bastion ffs

You can be racist and schizophrenic it's not mutually exclusive.

if you want a legit HN nutcase
news.ycombinator.com/user?id=DoreenMichele
@doreen_michele

Posted in the thread and some HN user quoted it and everyone agreed that my comment was funny and spot on

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>hurr I'm better than HN hipsters
kys faggots

>moot sperging over being a genius and saving 50 bytes per request while having shit that wastes 1000 times more bytes
>comments proceed to BTFO of him
top kek

>fart huffing
It’s called jenkem and it’s vegan you shitlord

>tptacek

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>patio11

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How many Jow Forumsentoomen have alter egos on this SV echo chamber?

>rings true

blind is pretty cool
teamblind.com/articles/Topics

lynchian

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Disclosure: I work for Google Cloud as a senior SRE

[post that has nothing to do with google]

>at scale

Hate that dude.

too many posts like Jow Forums

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Anyone have experience with their
>Who wants to be hired?
threads? Think I might make a post, looking for a junior position.

>almost all comments about political things
>karma: 308060
>All comments Copyright © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2023 Thomas H. Ptacek, All Rights Reserved.
what the fuck

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>commie
>religion

Looks like someone failed their high school government class

>Set of beliefs
>Reject any evidence to the contrary
>Clearly delineated good guys and bad guys
>Analog to the priest caste
>Founding scripture
Leftism, Communism, Socialism, whatever you want to call it, its a religion

Wow apparently holding literally any convictions means that it is a religion.

Let's try this with the GNU Philosophy
>Set of beliefs
Users should be able to have access to free software, free as in freedom
>Reject any evidence to the contrary
Not really sure what you meant by that, but I guess that means a free software user rejects that sometimes open source software simply isn't as robust as a paid version.
>Clearly delineated good guys and bad guys
Good guys: Richard Stallman
Bad Guys: (old) Microsoft
>Analog to the priest caste
Yeah, Richard Stallman looks quite holy
>Founding scripture
I mean, isn't almost everything created because someone wrote it in a book initially? gnu.org has the GNU Philosophy on it, so therefore all points taken the open source movement is a religion.

Your core misunderstanding is fairly subtle. GNU prescribes an "ought", communism prescribes an "is". In other words, just like the abrahamic faiths, communism prescribes a model of reality, and just like the abrahamic faiths, when that model of reality is shown to be faulty, they reject that evidence. Compare
>satan buried dinosaur bones to confuse us
to
>real communism has never been tried
It is the same statement, just phrased differently. Both amount to
>This evidence contradicts my worldview, therefore, it is not valid evidence

GNU simply prescribes that software "should" be free, it doesn't claim that all software "is" free, and when provided an example of software that isn't, makes up some sort of excuse.

That is the core difference between a philosophy and a religion, the others were mostly just shitposting.

just like capitalism eh? figure it out.

Nope, capitalism prescribes an "ought", communism prescribes an "is". Try reading for a change.

Years ago we were giving them shit for shilling Go but a quick peek at their hiring threads and there's hardly any Go/Rust jobs. Is tech this volatile?

I prefer cracker news

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Excellent summary.

>real communism has never been tried
While I hear this on the internet all the time, I've never actually heard anybody say this in real life except as a fallacy against it. And besides, that statement is incredibly pedantic. Technically, the Soviet Union and China weren't communist at any point, they were socialist and called themselves socialist: communism is the end goal of socialism. Because the industrial revolution had yet to occur in those two countries, they had to undergo a state of forced industrialization, "state capitalism", in order to get caught up to the world, and ultimately, it succeeded. Of course, nobody rational would recommend this process in an already industrialized society nowadays, simply because it isn't needed. There's also the case of Red Spain, which I guess you could call communist/socialist/anarchist/whatever it was, and that failed due to a multitude of flaws, the most obvious being that they were defeated in war by a superior fascist army. But enough of technicalities.

>This evidence contradicts my worldview, therefore, is not valid evidence
I hate to use logical fallacies, and see that calling out on fallacies is a fallacy in itself, but isn't that strawmanning? You're stating that they reject evidence they find invalid, but isn't that generally the thing with almost everything else? If I state my thesis and you refute it, does that mean my beliefs are automatically religious when I get upset that someone has stated something contrary to what I believe in? I don't really understand your argument here, I apologize.

>I prefer cracker news
Please let this be a real thing.

>I've never actually heard anybody say this in real life
Generally because its been lambasted so much over the last few years that people stopped saying it. I know this because /I/ used to say it back before I took a basic economics course as part of my degree.
>communism is the end goal of socialism
Its more so that stalinism is the necessary result of all socialism. Not the goal, mind you, but the inevitable result. Socialism is inherently utopian, which means A) it conflicts with reality, and B) when those conflicts occur, the allegiance is to the dream, not to the truth, and so you must double down. Eventually you cannot double down any further without inflicting violence on dissenters, and congratulations, you have stalinism.

>but isn't that strawmanning?
No.

>isn't that generally the thing with almost everything else?
No. When presented with overwhelming evidence that you are incorrect, the intellectually honest thing to do is change your position. Like I did when presented with overwhelming evidence that communism is a ludicrous idea.

>f I state my thesis and you refute it, does that mean my beliefs are automatically religious when I get upset that someone has stated something contrary to what I believe in?
This is not my claim. My claim is that they will reject any evidence that conflicts with their worldview /because/ it conflicts with their worldview. Rejecting evidence because you feel you have better evidence to the contrary, or because there are serious flaws with the evidence or the way it is used is not the same. If you state your thesis, and I provide evidence to the contrary, and you critique my evidence, that is very different from saying that my evidence is invalid specifically because it contracts your thesis.

>they had to undergo a state of forced industrialization, "state capitalism", in order to get caught up to the world, and ultimately, it succeeded.
Ultimately it did not, state capitalism massively failed in both and private capitalist companies moved in. If it succeeded they would be transcendental communist stateless entities by now, not 2nd/3rd world private captal's receptacles.

Not really. Most people on Jow Forums and Jow Forums in general are unafraid to name the jew. Certain boards are more likely to see a peculiar response to that, but it happens nonetheless.

Indeed, it is intellectually dishonest to reject evidence against your cause, and I constantly remind fellow leftists of it. I find no flaws in that argument. But a fatal mistake can occur in the belief that your own beliefs are true. We all state that we are free from bias, and are willing to change our beliefs given sufficient reasoning, but often that is not the case. Once you have cemented a belief, it is hard to change that structure.
You state that communism is a ludicrous idea, and that it would never work. Assuming that you are using communism and socialism synonymously, you are rejecting any point that a socialist may bring up. I'm curious, what do you have to say about co-operative and communal models, such as worker's cooperatives (such as the Mondragon Corporation), or the kibbutzim of Israel? Socialist ideals still exist today, and many aspects are successful. Would it not be dishonest to reject these too?
Like every good system, socialism is changed whenever a long standing belief is challenged.

>Assuming that you are using communism and socialism synonymously
I mean them because, for all practical purposes, they are synonymous. For clarities sake, when I talk about either of them, I am chiefly referring to forced economic redistributionism and seizing the means of production by force, or by electing actors to use force for you.

>'m curious, what do you have to say about co-operative and communal models, such as worker's cooperatives (such as the Mondragon Corporation), or the kibbutzim of Israel?
While I am not familiar with either of them, I can safely say that Mondragon does not qualify as it A) is worked owned but not worked managed (which is no different to owning stock in the company you work for), and B) has income inequality, albeit restricted income inequality. The kibbutzim seems fascinating, however, from what little I've read, it sounds like they are subsidized by their government, which is the fatal flaw in socialist ideas, it only works until you run out of other people's money.

All of that isn't really relevant, however, I'm not here to make a case about myself or my own ideas, only a case about the intellectual dishonesty on display from modern day proponents of socialism and communism.

like Jow Forums is any better

ever thought that communism simply can't happen in a single country, for reasons that should be obvious if you look at a history book?
also, I love how the discussion switched from "hurr durr communism has been tried you faggot" to "yeah, I know the USSR/china/etc are/were technically not communism [but I'll just keep saying that]"
and finally... socialism doesn't follow a single definition:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm
otherwise, it'd be like saying "liberalism is a single thing", when you clearly have many flavors of liberalism in the US, and then there is europe and the rest of the world...

it's worse here, shills aren't even subtle

what is a metaphor

like Jow Forums is any better I mean look at this phenomenally retarded exchange

youtube.com/watch?v=1CIiFoDZ3TI

what was it? I'm getting a DNS Error by Cloudflare

>ITT: We hacker news now
which was then posted to HN.

Thanks user

It's always been retarded, but it's gotten worse since this shit arrived.

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Retard got BTFO in an argument then proceeds to call them out as shills by dragging some random user into the argument, then mass quoting the entire thing juat to say how it was a stupid argument and how none of it really mattered in the end

do you actually save these images? are you that pathetic that you blame tin-foil ESS JAY W

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nah man this arguement matters I mean how would I live without this key insight that "GNU prescribes an "ought", communism prescribes an "is". In other words, just like the abrahamic faiths, communism prescribes a model of reality, and just like the abrahamic faiths, when that model of reality is shown to be faulty, they reject that evidence. Compare"

That's it boys the reason communism is a religion is because it "is". wow! fucking knock down argument.

I'm too lazy to figure out what your argument is, because either way you've shown that you have no clue what the other user meant by his is/ought point.

religion is prescriptive
communism is prescriptive
communism = religion

nah, it's just retarded.

Your core misunderstanding is fairly subtle. Philosophy prescribes an "ought", science prescribes an "is". In other words, just like the abrahamic faiths, science prescribes a model of reality, and just like the abrahamic faiths, when that model of reality is shown to be faulty, they reject that evidence.

See how retarded this argument is? It's a superficial elements are made to be its essence.

"whataboutism"

I hate how he always jumps to protect Signal and all of HN just eat his shit.

> If it succeeded they would be transcendental communist stateless entities by now

>Show HN: How I Implemented Communist Utopia as a RESTful API with Go

>triggered by google trannies for no reason
holy shit they really do lurk this board lmao

I miss old HN.

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I don't visit sites out of Jow Forums, but what wrong with dark ui?

Marxism is unfalsifiable.

Dark patterns is newspeak for institutional evil.

In UX its just being an asshole by making the button to not be spied on tiny and behind 3 checkboxes.

I reads good many year and that is a completely meaningless statement. They're both ideologies, figure it out.