>Create a parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >Learn how to build a PC Search youtube for a guide for your socket
Want help? >State your budget & CURRENCY >List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose and graphics pairing >NO Speccy. Use HWinfo
CPU >Athlon 200GE - Bare minimal desktop/gaming >R3 2200G - Light gaming(dGPU optional) >R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-9700k/8700k - If you have a $2000+ budget and don't care that it'll be superseded by 7nm CPUs next year >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best overall and not a massive disappointment like the 9900k >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than previous gen >Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others w/ small heatsinks and low quality fans 1080p >RX 570/580 w/ Freesync or 1060 6GB - standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb - lower settings and/or older games >GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor 1440p >Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync >GTX 1080Ti - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor 4K >Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value. OpenCL use >Vega 64
Storage >Backup before using StoreMi >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"
Display >Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models. >Always consider FreeSync w/ AMD cards >FOR GAMING, START YOUR BUILD WITH A MONITOR FIRST, then make your build to drive it appropriately
TLDR for last thread; the 1080ti isn't worth $700 because I don't have $700 and other people shouldn't buy it because I can't have it
Blake Reyes
what pc parts would i need to play oldschool runescape? budget is 1k
Dominic Green
Looking for some feedback on this
>pcpartpicker.com/list/247tHh This looks good for that price. My only questions are about the PSU and Case and lack of a CPU cooler(which i'm down to add for the value it provides.)
For the PSU is there a real difference you're gonna see between the bronze certified and the gold?
And on the case, the mesh on the front looks good for dust filtering but reviews say otherwise, which is why i'm more keen on the silverstone Redline RL06WS for its 4 pre-installed fans of moderately good quality and high dust shields.
Do you think this would be a good alternative right at around $825 with taxes?
Here's my main problem with your argument that the vega is "enough" of a card for 144fps at 1080p.
Even if you are getting it right now by turning the settings down to low (my old rx480 could come close on lowest settings) that benchmark is only for games out right now. When I buy a graphics card I want to have a card that lasts me for at least 3 years at 1080p 144fps in the newest games even if it means I have to lower some of the more arbitrary settings. The fact that you are already lowering settings TODAY doesn't bode well for the ability of the card to maintain 144fps for the next three years.
THAT ENTIRE POINT ASIDE -- Why are you so salty that someone bought something nicer than what you have and spent a little bit more to do so? Not everyone needs to save every extra penny that they have, and I wouldn't be surprised if you only had HDDs in your machine. I am more than happy to dump an extra $300 at a graphics card if it means that I don't feel the need to upgrade next year or the year after that and can just lower some settings. I wouldn't recommend that your friend upgrade if he's still able to get consistent 144fps, but I also wouldn't recommend that he upgrade to a 980 if he wasn't. Meeting the bare minimum for what works at 144fps right now is a sure fire way to need to buy another card. >and enjoys that more than having spent another $700 on a 1080Ti That's cool but why do you have a problem with me spending $750 on a 1080ti to upgrade from a 480?
Parker Nelson
Play it on your phone? Or just like a 2400G build.
Gold will save you a few pennies per month on electricity. If you can find a 500W or 550W gold that looks reputable for under like $55, then go for it. That is just a parametric filter there in that pcpp which selects the cheapest which matches that criteria.
Case is subjective. Buy the one you want, but I don't recommend huge ass ones which will be nearly completely empty space inside. >pcpartpicker.com/list/xCYyZR Get Artic 33 for the cooler >43l case on the somewhat large size, but not terrible. That is ATX though... why not get a mATX one? How about the Silverstone PS15? Looks like a better version of the Q300L. Fits up to 314mm gpu which should be all you need. Brand new model, too. But I can't seem to find it for sale outside of Australia yet though... That case you picked is great, just yeah I'm not a huge fan of anything over 30liters. Meshify C MicroATX is another option.
>Play it on your phone? >Or just like a 2400G build.
screen is too small. i might as well buy a bigger phone and im in the wrong general for that.
William Morris
Buy 5 freesync monitors and with the money you saved you buy the pc.
Josiah Rodriguez
What's a solid, cheap board for running a 2600x on 3200mhz ram?
Xavier Bennett
Shit build but probably the best you get for your money.
>recommending MSI Armor anything
Lincoln Garcia
Fractal Design node 202, i want to put a 8700/8700k in it and i already have a gtx1080fe and 2tb evo 850 spare ready to go in it.
The parts are coming from a 6700 rig, is ryzen viable instead of going the 8700 route, im not sure what tdp/watts/heat performance is comparable
Its for a dedicating VR machine running a HTC Vive Pro.
What power supply should i be looking at, if i plan to perhaps put a 1080ti or a 2080ti in it within 6-12 months?
Even though the fractal 450watt might be enough to run the 1080 and a 8700, im guessing i should go for a 600watt sfx modular supply for space and future gpu overhead if i end up picking up a rtx 2080ti in the future?
tips?
Levi Cook
>amdshillinggeneral
Eli Allen
if pcs turn u gay i'm not straight
Thomas Johnson
>That's cool but why do you have a problem with me spending $750 on a 1080ti to upgrade from a 480? I don't. I said I was wrong that it does seem to maintain 150fps minimum in Blackout, and I said I don't agree with 144fps being a big deal over 120fps. 120fps is the breaking point for most people where it's very hard to see the difference between it and 144. Why do you keep repeatedly asking me to repeat what I already said? There is no disagreement there except that you *personally* think that 144fps is a night and day difference over 120 and is worth hundreds of dollars more. In my case, yes, because the monitor I plan on buying is $800 for the Freesync version and $1300 for the Gsync one. That's $500 saved.
Buy newegg groupons buy hardware with them on sale resell hardware for more than you paid as new in box buy graphics cards sell the game keys they come with to make them effectively free mine on them and sell the crypto use profit to buy a pc continue to make profit and have a PC for negative money.
You know I used to help people a ton in 2017 on here to save money and people would be super appreciative. People were getting 1050Tis for $70 and RX470s for $95. People were doing $500 upgrades and only paying around $300. People were so appreciative. Now Jow Forums is full of trolls and gas lighters.
So... 2400G build. Get a nice big SSD and stuff. Nice case. Not really any point in wasting a ton of the CPU and GPU if it won't be used. I'm almost in the same situation. I don't play most AAA games. I spent my money on two 1TB SSDs and I plan to upgrade to Optane 905p + a 4 Tb SSD next year.
Is Prime X470-Pro cheap enough? B450M TUF might? I'm really not sure how good memory compat is on it. The 350 one wasn't that great. There are limited good mATX options which aren't MSI and you don't want MSI for an X CPU so... That model is loud and hot.
IIRC was just looking for a 1080p build.
Blake Lopez
does it matter for wifi adapters if their internal or usb?
Ryder Kelly
>120fps is the breaking point for most people where it's very hard to see the difference between it and 144. >LITERALLY DOING THE >143 looks exactly like 144 >142 looks exactly like 143 >141 looks exactly like 142 >140 looks exactly like 141
I'm looking for some critique on this list. I just want a ~$400-450 PC to run current/last gen games on med/low. I plan to buy the GPU used off of ebay, hopefully without getting scammed and I already own the case still in box. Originally it was going to be an intel pentium g5400 machine but I found that by going with the 2200g it was more cost efficient. I really just want 2nd opinions if there's a better combo/deal out there or if I fucked up on GPU choice.
Jeremiah Myers
That's not a bad X470 board. Trying to get something around $100 to fit my 1000 burger budget for a 1440p rig.
Carter Kelly
+ how safe would i be adding another 2tb evo 850 and setting then as stripe? It would only be used as a 4tb library for games, so chance of failure is pretty slim as its mostly going to be high reads low writes correct?
Boot would be from a dedicated 970 pro
Ryan Perry
have you considered getting a 1060 instead? otherwise it all looks fine. not a fan of the case just based off how it looks
Henry Hall
Too expensive and may as well get a 580 at that point. The 3.5gb meme card is still a great value secondhand 1080p option.
Nathan Sanchez
so I'm being offered a 32" LCD TV for a really low price, but as I said it's an LCD TV, and it runs at 1366x768 60Hz
I'm currently playing at a shitty HDReady 24" 1360x768 LED TV
is it worth the change? will the 720p resolution look like shit on that screen size?
also on a different note, is there a difference between HDMI and VGA to HDMI in terms of image quality? I don't know if I'm seeing the latter better or if it's just placebo
Thomas Rivera
Yeah the case was given for free by a friend who didn't end up using it, so I thought I'd use it for my next build. I looked at 1060s but I would have to score one used for less than $120, but I will keep it in mind.
Chase Moore
that's an absolutely garbage resolution, don't bother especially at 32" (it's already quite bad at 24")
Leo Lee
Will be the same. And HDMI is better than VGA and there is a difference between them.
Ryder Wilson
Just bought this build on amazon for general programming w/ memory intensive workloads and a little AI stuff. First build, any suggestions for assembly other than to watch the videos?
why didn't you ask first? >64gb of ram laterally why
Noah Nguyen
so I better stick to the 24" one? also I kind of find that VGA gives me a better image than HDMI for some reason
Oliver Cox
I've got a GTX 680 4GB blower card, it still does what I want it to do, but over time with adding in more power efficient CPU, cooler, a few SSD's, getting rid of my hard drives, adding in more efficient fans, the 680 is super noticeable. What are some good, relatively inexpensive aftermarket GPU coolers, with good compatibility for hopefully GTX 10 (maybe 20) series & RX 500 (maybe 600) series cards? Last part is ideal, but not necessary. I'll assume, though, that any recently built aftermarket coolers like an Accelero would have GTX 10 / RX 500 series compatibility. I'd rather not upgrade until the card actually dies, which is why I'd like to get a better cooler.
Isaiah Fisher
>Asus 27-inch 2k 144Hz 1440p MG279Q FreeSync paired with a RX 580
>paired with a RX580 since the 580 is a rebranded 480 and I recently just upgraded my 480 because it wasn't running 144fps at low in 1080p, I'd say probably not. HOWEVER, that is a fairly future proof purchase and if you plan on upgrading your gpu in the coming few years I'd go for it.
Nathaniel Flores
Avoid the GTX 1060 6gb OCV1 >Why Shitty heatsink.
Chase Collins
Why that monitor instead of one of the better ones? >with an RX580 You'll have to turn settings down to around console quality to get in the 60-110fps range on 1440p, but if that's fine for you or you mostly play older games then it's actually nice.
Why not get a lower power GPU that also performs better? Even an RX580 is much better perf/watt than that. But Artic GPU coolers that tend to work for just about everything. Some non-reference cards may take some modding to fit, though.
Pretty much limited to the TUF at $100.
No. External antenae end to work better, though. but some pci wifi have external antenae.
I don't think many people would take that for free. >difference between HDMI and VGA to HDMI in terms of image quality probably just reverted your settings for the different input.
If all you need is that, dunno why you wouldn't go the X399M Taichi and not get such a massive case. But build the components looks fine for that use case.
I suppose if money isn't a concern (when you're spending Dad's money) you can afford whatever the hell you want.
Ian Bennett
I'd like to get a new card, but at the same time the 680 does everything I need it to, so buying something new isn't too worthwhile at the moment. If there's a good sale, I may, though.
Cameron Jenkins
Thanks but I'm not sure about the futureproofing, I'm talking about now.
>Why that monitor instead of one of the better ones? Give me some recommendations >or you mostly play older games then it's actually nice How old are we talking about?
Evan Harris
Daddy said 2K and that's it
Jaxon Gomez
>If there's a good sale, I may, though. RX570s were roughly free the other day. ~$130 and included $165 of game keys that you can sell for at least $100. Worst case would bring it down to $30. Another sale might pop up like that. Don't know.
The Mbest one. There's only one model, so easy to find. Pixio PX277h is HDR. Nixeus 27edg though really I'd wait for their new HDR model. Not much reason to buy any other 1440p 144hz monitor.
>poor family >currently neet My bugdet is extremely low and I need to change my 6-7 yeard old CPU and motherboard, I've always had some type of problems when playing, but right now is just almost insta crash after a short time of vydia gaming. Wanna save all the parts possible for obvious reasons, especially considering my brother left me his ''decent'' GPU before leaving home (Radeon RX 460) and old RAM (4 pieces of 4GB each, DDR3, 2000 MHz).
Would you guys recommend pic related? at this point I just wanna enjoy playing without worrying about when will the pc crash. Also: >windows 10 not sure if that Asus can even run it
dude get a fucking JOB, I understand that you are 16 but Walmart will hire your ass as a cart wrangler for $7.25/hr and you can build a respectable computer in a month.
Aiden Long
No avoid the fuck out FX series. Buy a used Thinkcentre M72e with a I5-2400 for $100 or better and upgrade the PSU if needed.
Cameron Kelly
Honestly, I'd just sell your card to someone building a cheapo 1080p system and buy a 1060 6gb or RX580. The 1060 gave me a reasonable 15ish percent performance increase over my only 680 4gb, and runs a lot cooler. 580 isn't as cool/quiet as the 1060, but it's great value at the moment and still an improvement over the 680.
uhm, thanks gonna try work around it. Consoles are not an option, totally despise them and >paying for games
I'm 23 and europoor, currently studying for a public job after years of neet life
rly? I read so many good opinions, gonna check
ty for recommendations boys
Mason Anderson
Any recommendations for builds up to $650 USD for general use and games like league of legends, a build where all the parts are available on amazon would be really helpful.
Sebastian Perez
>uhm, thanks gonna try work around it. Consoles are not an option, totally despise them and >>paying for games stop being poor faggot, you're the reason we don't get console games like red dead, etc on pc.
Nathan Sullivan
>RAM: 1x16 There.
Blake Murphy
>rly? I read so many good opinions, gonna check Fucking where? the FX CPUs are known for being a joke, they were hot as fuck, used 200W under load, and ran like shit, worse than a $60 pentium back then (G3258). AMD got a horrible reputation thanks to them. Games ran like shit on them, they have a fake 8 core setup, the hetasink they used was known for being a jet engine, and so on.
Bentley Thomas
I'm not voting because of the AMD conference. anyone else?
Angel Price
Shitty motherboard, check MSI B450 Tomahawk. get 2x8GB RAM instead. Where is your HDD/SSD?
Noah Gray
>amd video cards user pls don't do this.
Brayden Bailey
I saw somebody else mention aftermarket coolers, so I'll jump in and ask about it too. I got an RX 480 8GB not long after launch for a bit of a sale, but it's reference blower, so it runs hot. Is the Accelero / Morpheus good? I've got fans to spare, so that isn't a problem if I can get outright better. Price-wise, there's Accelero TT3, Morpheus Blacked edition, and the Accelero Xtreme 4, TT3 for $70 AUD, Blacked Morpheus for $80, and the XDreme for $90. As I said, I've got fans to spare, so they're all appealing options, but somewhat looking at Morpheus from the Matrix since it looks like a thicc meme
Caleb Stewart
PC is getting red dead, likely by summer 2019. Rockstar is double dipping again because it worked so well with GTAV
Pay for your fucking games though, get them on grey market sites if you want but buy them. Pirate as a trial version, uninstall if you don't like it but buy it if you do.
Get a JOB. Work at a gas station or a McDonalds. I don't know what your minimum wage there is but surely it is enough to get some side money for a decent PC if you work 20h/wk for a couple months.
Alexander Hill
FUGGG yeah I didn't notice it was one module, anyways, the same ram but with x2 8GB.
Is tomahawk really better, why?
Aiden Flores
>Is tomahawk really better, why? Better VRM Setup and cooling which matters if you are going to overclock. Other than that they are more or less the same.
Landon Barnes
yea i knew they would since most people bought on both. but people like that fag still ruin pc gaming because they are too poor to buy games.
Aaron Cook
thanks for the heads up, will probably switch to toma
Cameron Torres
It's not 100% confirmed but one of the devs for the game had in his linkedin profile that he worked on the game for "Xbox 1, PS4 and PC" a while back before removing it.
They'd be stupid not to release it twice. I'll definitely buy it day 1 on PC, just like I did with GTAV for the 360. I don't have any current gen consoles this time around, so I'm not double dipping like I did last time but I'm definitely buying it for the PC release.
Nathaniel Clark
its worth it if you have an xbox one already. the game is 10/10
Cooper Cox
I don't have an xbone, my roommate does but fuck buying a video game that is literally useless to me if he leaves. I can wait for the PC experience, though I'm not pleased about it. GTAV was 100% better on PC than it was on 360, with the addition of first person mode and an FOV slider it felt like a completely different game, so I'm looking forward to what they do with RDR2.
Logan Bailey
>Not the B450M Bazooka/Mortar or B450 Tomahawk when you're getting a non-X CPU >single channel memory covered already, but whatever. >h500 case >$450 for a 1070Ti. A shitty model one on top of that >paying double for PSU You picked one good component at least.
There's just really no reason to consider anything else for the non-X CPUs.
They're just waiting to add in microtransactions and stuff to milk it like GTAV.
Carson Morales
convince that fag to buy it and play it. i'll buy it on pc as well but on xbox its really good.
micro transactions mean nothing to me since i never use them. only retards would pay for virtual bs.
Benjamin Moore
>There's just really no reason to consider anything else for the non-X CPUs Not him, but let's say I get a 2600X. Would still getting a Mortar/Bazooka be a good move?
Gabriel Price
>Not the B450M Bazooka/Mortar or B450 Tomahawk when you're getting a non-X CPU What does the X mean? >h500 case isn't it good? >$450 for a 1070Ti. A shitty model one on top of that What models are the good ones? >paying double for PSU You pay 50$ for PSUs? which one?
Lincoln Davis
Xtreme
Liam Edwards
Yeah but what does it have to do with the mobo choice?
Cartel and sellers refusing to lower prices. OTOH SSD prices are dropping off a cliff after they went full retard around 2017, so there's still hope for RAM... but I don't hold my breath.
Christian Brown
>What does the X mean? CPUs that are better at overclocking. Not really, just overpriced. EVGA ones. The PSU is good but a 650W one will work too.
Xavier Ortiz
>not 2x8gb >750w psu
William Smith
>TLDR Korean jews.
NAND was supposed to have the same problem but China fixed that problem.
Jack Robinson
>better at overclocking Afaik they are unlocked, so why are they better at OC? What case would you buy in the same price range?
Only EVGA gpus? surely there are couple more, right?
Isaac James
why are 2x8GB modules better than 1x16GB module?
Bentley Sanders
Simply they are cherrpicked from the silicon lottery. All CPUs are different and have different limits, those were selected as the X line because they are better at overclocking than the normal 2600 CPUs.
MSI and EVGA, just avoid Zotac and if you try your luck ASUS since pretty much they don't have warranty.
Because Dual-Channel>Single channel. Double the bandwidth.
>But does this makes a big difference Yes.
Thomas Hall
Upgrading my PC right now. Just ordered a 1070ti. I have ~800 USD to spend to finish the upgrade. Can anyone see anything could or should change? >pcpartpicker.com/list/dX72ZR
I wouldn't mind upgrading my case, I just have a shitty old black box. I also have no idea what makes one MOBO better than another.
That 500GB HDD, even if you own it, won't see much use. Just buy one fat 1TB SSD and be done with it or buy a fat HDD for backups. I'd wager you can try the stock cooler before buying an aftermarket one.
Justin Morales
>silicon lottery intredasting so OCing might be hit or miss with the non-Xs
I thought Gigabyte and Asus were the best wew
Jaxon Bell
Hey, i’ve been looking through some am4 motherboards and saw buildzoid’s video about board manufacturers reusing the same vrm parts on their sub $150 models all the way down to their cheapest. I would like to know if it matters what board I chose since the differences seems to mostly be board/BIOS features and whether there’s a heatsink on the core vrms. I don’t intend to OC but I wonder if it would affect pb2/xfr2 on a 2600.
Jack Parker
Gigabyte makes shitty GPUs in general. ASUS ones are good, but there is the problem that ASUS offers no warranty at all in their products.
And yeah, that is how it works with pretty much all CPUs.
Landon Bailey
>Liquid cooling a 2600 For what purpose.
Not sure you'll need 750W either, and I wouldn't have bought a blower GPU unless I had space constraints.
>so OCing might be hit or miss with the non-Xs The funny thing is that it may be hit-or-miss on X CPUs too. It's not named the silicon lottery for no reason...
Josiah Ward
Only if they are doing some bullshit like Gigabyte magic "12" phase VRM or ASRock "16" Phase VRM, you should avoid both ASRock or Gigabyte when it comes to AMD motherboards anyway.
Sometimes its good, see MSI B450 Tomahawk and MSI X470 Gaming plus good and cheap, what changes is the chipset and the rest of the board. Sometimes its bad, see ASUS high end motherboards having the same VRM setup than their low end B450 motherboards.
Sebastian Brooks
Really hope you guys can help me!
I want to throw together a second desktop that can discretely fit into a TV stand. My fiancée and I are moving in together and we're gonna have a 4K TV in the living room, so I want to use this second desktop to play some couch vidya with her and guests. Also to be used for movies and such (just anything you might want to do with guests in the living room). Is it wise to do all this with a second desktop, or should I just use a device to stream my main rig (1080ti, 8700k)?
If I went with a second desktop, what could I build using a Radeon RX 580 8GB I have lying around?
Juan Sullivan
should i just get the HYPER 212? Ill low the PSU a bit. thanks
Noah Murphy
Remove water cooling, its shit. Refund that GTX 1070Ti, avoid blower GPUs. A 650W PSU would be enough.
Check Freezer 33 for something cheap, NH-U12S am4 for something expensive.
Jayden Ramirez
See . You can always buy another cooler after if you don't like the stock one, but it's decent and worth trying.
Mason Flores
what would be better 2x8GB modules or 4x4GB modules?
