Fucking Wayland. Why do they keep pushing it down our throats? It's full of bugs. Under Wayland, everything is broken...

Fucking Wayland. Why do they keep pushing it down our throats? It's full of bugs. Under Wayland, everything is broken. You can't do shit. Fuck off.

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Just use x11. FOSS means you can choose.

>nvidia user
you asked for it

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>Why do they keep pushing it down our throats?
here we fucking go...
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X11 is meant to be a window server and drawing protocol (draw rectangle here, text here, ext.)
THATS what was network transparent.
But over time it's just devolved into a clunky system for copying framebuffers between clients and the compositor

The idea was:
X server (GUI terminal) X client (running on Mainframe)

As you can tell, this dates back to a time where your GUI was just a simple front end for all the intense computation happening on the mainframe.

Also when X11 was made, shared libraries were borked, so it also worked to save RAM; since having all your drawing code on the X server kept it from being duplicated in each application.

But don't take my word for it, here's one of the X devs:
youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ&t=35s

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X is absolute, unadulterated, pure fucking garbage, and I wholeheartedly welcome the advent of Wayland, or literally any other display server/protocol that comes along and takes X to the fucking gallows once and for all.

The model as a whole is extremely outdated, visibly inefficient, insecure, and it such a fucking mess of spaghetti code and extensions and life support that only a few people on the planet still understand how to actually maintain it. Their opinion on X? "Kill it with fire, please."

For a group of people that love to lambaste Windows users for having "babyduck syndrome", I've never seen more babyducks when it comes to the retards peddling the "x-xorg just werks" shit and spreading dumbfuck FUD about Wayland. (Of course, in all fairness, it doesn't help when all the distros out there wanted to be the first kids on the block to use Wayland and started pushing it out before it was 100% ready, leading to the average retarded joe to swear off of it.)

Similarly, for a group of people that jerk themselves off over software minimalism, there sure are a lot of people that love to suck the bloated dick of X. The same people who cry "Systemd does way too much for an init system!" seem to have no problem with all of the shit a display server shouldn't be doing, and they're too fucking retarded to understand that the Wayland protocol will eventually/has already gotten standardized extensions/addons for the sorts of shit they're bitching about (for instance, screensharing is now implemented under Pipewire, which on a side note, will kill another cancer, PA, eventually)

Simply put, and in simple user terms--X is responsible for a lot of the jankiness of the Linux desktop (as you'd expect of a display server that's been kept on life support for 30 years), and when Wayland is eventually adopted, it'll go a LONG way towards bringing Linux to the fucking 21st century.

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Good video on the subject.

works on my machine

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Just let wayland develop.

It's my understanding that Wayland was purposely developed to force window managers to implement shit themselves. Wayland only wants to be a display server, unlike X which tries to be everything.

xorg is trash will insane crashes and poor performance.

>not just using Fedora 29 with Wayland default and the latest kernels

You pretty much summed it up. This way, if our current ways of implementing shit become obsolete in the future, like X's model has, we can just axe them and reimplement new stuff that makes more sense on top of the same display server.

When will novidia start supporting wayland properly?

The biggest problem with wayland is that it's taking too long.
Thats why we are in a very weird state where everything needs to support shitty X and can't just go ful wayland.
What should have happened is:
- Gnome ups the major version number and drops X support completely.
- Distros switch to Wayland and now use this.
But no, since everything in open source is fucked it will take until 2025 for this to start happening.

When you stop buying their cards.

Works for me mate.

Xorg won't ever be totally dropped until nvidia gets their head out of their asses.

>until nvidia gets their head out of their asses.
They won't unless you give them a reason to, aka. drop X support.
Sucks for nvidia users to not be able to upgrade to the newest Ubuntu or whatever, but there is no other way to pressure nvidia.

Wayland is kinda nice if it's implemented in a sane way. Just because GNOME on a Wayland session is shit doesn't mean it's the fault of Wayland, because GNOME is shit on an X11 session too.

X is broken by design
Wayland bugs can be fixed, X can't be fixed

Yeah fair point.

1990s: X11 is crap why doesn't anyone do anything about it
2000s: X11 is crap why doesn't anyone do anything about it
2010s: hey X11 devs let's ditch X11
2018: BRING BACK X11

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>xorg is trash will insane crashes and poor performance.
>t. arch user