The great debate

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kde if you like features and usability
gnome if you hate features and usability

gnome is absolute garbage these days so i'd give it to KDE, but the latter does have its own problems.

but, man, holy shit, gnome devs have 0 fucking idea what they're doing.

one day, some enlightened user will create a framework that is 100% backwards compatible with Qt and GTK and out of it, a unified desktop environment that takes the best features of KDE and Gnome will be borne.

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he should call it "emacs"

It was the great debate 10 years ago when GNOME2 was still a thing and KDE wasn't better in every aspect.

gnome if you are a lazy pleb wannabe dev and call yourself a bistrobutor
kde in all other cases

KDE is fine. MATE is fine. xfce is fine.

GNOME is utter trash.

There is no debate. Everyone thinks gnome is garbage except the people who make it and red hat/canonical faglords.

>KDE is fine.
ok
>MATE is fine. xfce is fine.
is this the new debate topic?

> no xfce

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yes this a troll thread
Just For (You)™ Xd

KDE and Gnome are both fucking hideous

>KDE and Gnome are both fucking hideous
so what do you recommend?

>kde
>single click opens folder
>these horrible settings buttons all over the place

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This is the deal:
If you use KDE:
+Usability
+lots of customization
-bug prone
GNOME:
the opposite

It takes two clicks to change it to double-click to open files and directories.

so for GNOME:
-unusable
-little customization
+few bugs (but i always heard gnome crashes for no reason)

Gnome 2 > Plasma 3 & 4
Plasma 5 > Gnome 3

Someone will find a way to fuck it up.

Pantheon if it would have huge issues

Gnome shell is usable, you only need to install gnome tweaks and a bunch of extensions.

I find gnome to be perfectly usable and I'm out of the "care about miniscule appearance details" phase. Its customizable enough to be with plugins, all I care about is making animations faster and disabling hot corners. Never had it crash on me, one time seen an icon overlapping bug on friend's laptop.

Gnome 3 is the best DE ever. There is no debate. Gnome have won.

> Gnome 2 > Plasma 3 & 4
> Plasma 5 > Gnome 3
This. Should've gotten quads.

.t redhat employee

.t salty man child

The desktop metaphor was a huge mistake. You fags are delusional.

i3 > kde 5 > gnome 3

Everytime I ran system update in KDE it would not allow me to view the verbose output. And it would never tell me when it was finished. It would just freeze up and I'd have to kill it and when I reopened the updater it was up to date. Did the same thing with the disk utility. Everytime it reached 100% burning an iso to a USB drive it'd just freeze up. Kill it and open and showed the new iso burned.

KDE was also unresponsive and not made for somebody productive. The long pause before backspacing multiple characters, the window animations, the lack of custom windows settings for different applications, etc. Of course you could change these things and disable them but why would I need to when I can just use something else?

That said, If I were to introduce my Brother or my Sister to Linux I would 100% have them try a KDE distro. It's got the MacOS wanna be appearance with as many bugs and shit wrong with it as Windows. Best of both worlds.

Every time I use Gnome, whether it's on a desktop using a 1070, or a laptop with integrated Intel, GNOME starts lagging, stuttering, and becomes more and more unresponsive after just opening 4+ applications. It's a goddamn mess that's been fucked since launch.

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xfce.

>Open Spectacle
>Works fine
>Try to open another instance of it
>Entire panel and DE freezes, can only interact with the windows
Sweet DE. Still better than fucking Gnome though.

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KDE all the way.

Shits fucking beautiful.

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>ricing xfce

LIPSTICK.
ON.
A.
PIG.

Kde doesn't have an innate updater, it's your distro. Also for iso 2 usb, kde also doesn't have one, it has k3b(which is not official part of kde anyway) for disks, but it doesn't write usb. It seens like you installed garbage on garbage and blame kde for your brainletism.

Yeah, until it self-destructs with the next gnome update

out of the way furrys and incels

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Firstly update from terminal, secondly the update manager is based on whatever distribution you use, and not KDE native functionality.

TWM are designed for autists, and autists are primarily furries and incels

Xfce.
It's fucking comfy.

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Lipstick on a pig

Is it hard to install a decent theme, user?

The theme is the lipstick. The pig is xfce.

Try to keep up.

Anyway, post desktop. I wanna see it.

>Anyway, post desktop. I wanna see it.
not much to see on mine, I auto-hide the panels. why would you want them in the way all the time? xfce is perfection

budgie

After I get home, sure.

Dual kawase should be the new blur standard desu. so comfy to look at and very fast.

Versus not sorting directories first by default (who does this) and having to use *conf-editor to fix it.

Who KDE Neon here?

>Who KDE Neon here?
Faggots, I believe.

Motif.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple pieces of software that do the same thing. Backwards compatibility on the other hand is a cancer.

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backwards compatibility certainly has its place in certain scenarios. Lord knows how important it is for people that love retro games. It also keeps old machines still in use, like a computer controlled mill they have at the high school in my town.

That's not nice, user.

You can easily change that in the settings you dunce

>"gyehehe, stahp it Konqi, that tickles!"

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Gnome #1
Just disable animations in the Gnome Tweaks Menu

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KDE on Tumbleweed is bretty good. So is Firefox.

>everything running on a single javascript thread
what could go wrong?

KDE hands down

Konqi explains why you should use KDE instead of GNOME!

- Thumbnails in the file picker!
- Overall sane design!
- Konqi!
- Qt!
- Won't remove features on a dev's whim!
- Better user Kommunity!
- Krita!
- Konqi!!!
- Made by Germans!
- Not represented by an ugly, black, stinky foot!
- Cute dragons!!!!!
- Konqi!!!!!!!!!

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Unacceptable:
- GNOME
- KDE
Barely acceptable:
- XFCE
Acceptable:
- MATE
- LXDE
- LXQt (some day)

the classic "b-but there is an ugly 3 lines button in my desktop, i hate this DE"

Haha holyshit you're retarded

Why would you not want to use the standar linux DE?

What's a good (in terms of usability) DE for use on a laptop? I've settled for KDE on my desktop. I'm trying gnome on the laptop right now, but I wouldn't say I like it.

Definitely XFCE.

The debate over which is the worst/second worst DE?

Unacceptable:
-GNOME
-LXQt
Barely acceptable:
-XFCE
-MATE
-LXDE
-KDE
Acceptable:
-Any tiling WM
We have yet to have a good DE.

I'd rather jump off a cliff than use a GNOME desktop, so KDE by a mile.

Autistic neckbeard detected

Just use KDE if you like it. No difference desktop or laptop.

>muh gayemz
Use an emulator, /v/edditor.

>It also keeps old machines still in use
I have a bunch of old SGI machines that have zero software support. The most recent software that runs on them is more than enough to keep them useful. Having modern software that bends over backwards to support 20 year old hardware is cancerous. Companies and governments can pay a couple hundred bucks every 10 years or so to upgrade their shit.

There is no good DE. The idea of having a desktop is retarded. A dock for your icons that is behind all your windows? Why? TWMs have launch menus. Why would I ever need icons getting in the way of my beautiful wallpaper.

>putting icons on your desktop is stupid
>that's why you need an autism window manager
I don't quite follow your logic here.

I'm not autistic:
KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon
I'm not autistic but my PC is old:
XFCE
I'm not autistic but my PC is really fucking old:
LXDE
I'm autistic:
Any tiling WM

That isn't why I use a TWM, but it contributes. WMs don't have desktops. Just windows over your wallpaper. I like TWMs because I like that they tile, unlike non-tiling WMs. You can use i3 with KDE if you replaced the Kwin WM. I just prefer to use i3 alone because the idea of a desktop is idiotic.

This is correct.

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>There is no good DE. The idea of having a desktop is retarded.
If you think the very idea of a desktop is retarded, of course you would think there is no good DE. For you it's literally a contradiction in terms because of what the "D" in "DE" stands for.

Tiling window managers make no sense.
Any floating window manager can do quarter tiling which is all you'll ever need and they handle floating windows far better.
I guess an argument could be made for dynamic tiling like dwm does it for the quick layout swapping but most autists here seem to use i3.

on top of desktops being retarded, there is no good de (that ive seen). they are all either buggy, ugly, or both.

shitposting aside, the only okay de ive seen is xfce

I want all my windows to be a combination of tabs and tiles. Why would I use anything other than a tiling window manager?

>floating windows
I don't float anything except dialogs.

>I want
But do you need to?

Yes otherwise I autistically sperg out.

Fair enough. I guess tiling WMs do make sense if you have autism.

A FOOKIN FOOT.
A
FOOKIN
FOOT

>system update in KDE it would not allow me to view the verbose output
What did he mean by this?

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>KDE
great UI and configuration options but very buggy (tried the latest kde neon user)
>GNOME
very stable but needs tons of extensions for basic functionality and it's also very laggy
>the rest of DEs
just shitty forks of gnome/gnome2 "maintained" by NEETs

based and red pilled

I use Gnome on my laptop and KDE on my desktop.

I can imagine putting KDE on my laptop, but not vice versa.

Pretty accurate

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*IBM employee
Ftfy

I have kde now on Ubuntu 17.10, but as soon as I get a new ssd I'll install 18.10 and keep gnome.
Ked is just too heavy for no good reason.

And Gnome has a good reason to be heavy?

fpbp.

>single click opens folder
Not on my machine.
Nor was it by default.

This is objectively correct.
The real hot topic though is - is Plasma 5 better than GNOME2?

Still not as heavy as kde.

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lmao Gnome has been the heaviest DE for quite some time now.