Tech related news and things that make you go "yeah, no shit"

Da Vinci isn't very new. And anyone who has operated it already knows how the latency there is takes a lot of practice to get used to for precise movements required in a surgery.

git gud n00b

>was stitching up the valve incorrectly – and then shout again when he saw the robot "knocked" one of the surgical assistants' arms.
Someone fucked up programming the robot for the procedure, is all I am reading here.

if a person fucked this up this wouldn't be news, therefore it still shouldn't be news. Once the robot has performed a couple of surgeries and all of them have failed, I'd call this a bad idea. But until then this is part of the process of learning what our creations are capable of.

At the end of the day, the patient knew there was a risk, and they accepted that. That's what makes it different from the self-driving cars. This kind of shit (surgical fuckups) happens every single day. The real question is why did the backups go home.

the goal isn't to mimic a person. the goal is to do better. because otherwise, why bother?

Da Vinci is a remote operation surgical system and entirely human controlled. The only thing that the robot may be doing on its own is projecting an augmented reality space as visual feedback.

>Retards like you are holding back technological progress
If by technological progress you mean increasingly invasive monitoring procedures, increased control of information and discourse, putting listening devices in our homes, people quantifying the number of sweat beads that drop down their forehead while running... yeah, I'm trying to hold back that kind of technological progress.

You fail to understand that corporations have two goals when designing/innovating new technologies or improving existing ones: 1) make money; 2) ensure that the government which enables me to make money continues to exist.

>Move fast and break things faggot.
Something tells me you have a rick and morty wallpaper.
>You can hand churn butter with the rest of your conservative cuck buddies.
American liberal spotted. Look at how he rages against any danger to his collection of horn-rimmed glasses and hilariously clever t-shirts that are a hit in the office play pen.

trying :(

>if a person fucked this up this wouldn't be news, therefore it still shouldn't be news.
The difference is that "people make mistakes" while robots/computers don't make mistakes but "do exactly what they're told". The grey area is when humans employ an AI to take care of some decision making/function.
>Once the robot has performed a couple of surgeries and all of them have failed, I'd call this a bad idea. But until then this is part of the process of learning what our creations are capable of.
Why not practice on pigs or something else? You'd think they would have practiced on non-living Humans first.
> That's what makes it different from the self-driving cars. This kind of shit (surgical fuckups) happens every single day.
Your logic can be applied to self-driving cars, as well. Car accidents happen all the time. People have come to expect car accidents, everyone knows the risk.

>the goal is to do better. because otherwise, why bother?
This.

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>Da Vinci is a remote operation surgical system and entirely human controlled. The only thing that the robot may be doing on its own is projecting an augmented reality space as visual feedback.
Why do they do this? Isn't it just cheaper to fly the surgeon to the country for 2-3 days and then fly them back? This is the shit that bothers me, progress for the sake of progress. There's a reason boats still come with oars.

>By providing surgeons with superior visualization, enhanced dexterity, greater precision and ergonomic comfort, the da Vinci Surgical System makes it possible for more surgeons to perform minimally invasive procedures involving complex dissection or reconstruction.[citation needed] For the patient, a da Vinci procedure can offer all the potential benefits of a minimally invasive procedure, including less pain, less blood loss and less need for blood transfusions.[citation needed] Moreover, the da Vinci System can enable a shorter hospital stay, a quicker recovery and faster return to normal daily activities.[8]

>get killed by lag
>literally

>Sukumaran Nair and assisting surgeon Thasee Pillay
Found the problem.

cringe and bluepilled

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>Isn't it just cheaper to fly the surgeon to the country for 2-3 days and then fly them back?

That would limit the surgeon to two operations per week.
With a system like this he could do two operations per day.

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>The difference is that "people make mistakes" while robots/computers don't make mistakes but "do exactly what they're told". The grey area is when humans employ an AI to take care of some decision making/function.

the thing about it is that you can't hold a robot accountable, what are you gonna do? throw him in jail? he doesn't give a shit about that

They’re slaves, they don’t need individual accountability. If a slave violates the law, his master will be held accountable. They had this shit sorted out 3000 years ago.

>enhanced dexterity and precision
>more precise than your hands
Does it still count as more precision if you don't really have control though

>Lead surgeon Sukumaran Nair and assisting surgeon Thasee Pillay
That NHS sure attracts leading talent don't it

Yes.

>UK
I like how idiots think the problem might be the robosurgeon and not their third world socialist health care.

Well look, sometimes you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelet. Some early testers are going to die, it's a fact of life.

A robot is a thing. It has an owner. The owner is responsible for his property.

yes but what if the robot was badly done (as it most often happens), the case reported is clearly a deviation from its nominal operation, then it shouldn't be the owner to be held accountable but the manufacturer instead

Uh oh, here comes the trumptard. Mind telling us how amazing American Healthcare is? Someone can get their peepee cut off free of charge, meanwhile everyone else can't afford life saving saving surgery

>UK
>socialist
And then Americans wonder why right-wing discourse and violence is on the rise in their country. I'm glad you don't see it, just means you will collapse sooner.

PLEASE SIR DO THE NEEDFUL SIR

If the hospital buys shitty rusty scalpels you don't hold the scalpel maker accountable. You hold the hospital accountable for using poor tools.

>NHS Trust official Barry Speker read a professor's evaluation of Nair that criticized the decision to move him to robotic procedures, calling it "running before he could walk."
>Nair concurred and admitted he had missed multiple training sessions with the robot because he was conducting surgeries elsewhere.
>Surgeons are supposed to carry out 40 robotic operations on dummies before moving on to patients.

So, human error?

Looks like even though pajeets turn to shit everything they touch no one is taking the hint to not put them in charge of anything of responsability.
Letting a new technology still under testing, from which depends the fragile line of life, in the hands of those apes is mental. Good riddance.

Bend at the wrist and stand like that for hours and work on really small shit in a small hole, and if you fuck up somebody dies, a remote controlled robot WILL be safer and faster in the long run, it will also expand the scope of possible operations as components shrink and skills and experience builds up.

You're being obtuse. The Da Vinci is supposed to be a state of the art technology in its field.
If you buy as you say rusty scapels, everyone including the ""manufacturer"" of these said rusty scapels will know you're a fucking idiot, and you can't account them for the mistake you've made.
If instead said new purchase is something that's supposed to be game changing, something accurately made and FOR WHICH A WORKING NOMINAL MODE HAS BEEN DECLARED, then by all account the manufacturer has the fault.
Cars can explode under some extreme conditions, but if Ford sells you a car that ignite as soon as you start it, then you can't be held "accountable for using poor tools".
Goddamn fucking idiot

>right wing discouse
Hah, good one, user.

The davinci system has been around for years. It was just the first one to be used in open heart surgery in the uk not ever. The sergeon fucked up. Its a human operated robot.

Have you not heard of the Overton Window?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Trump called himself a nationalist. That used to be a term for the far-right, now that's "right" in America. While anything left of that is communism. You call Democrats socialists, when Democrats are right-wing as well.

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>The robot actually fucked up.
>implying that robot is naturally born and not a product of human
>implying that hardware is not created in software
>implying that hardware does not have errors
What's the difference?

Corbyn and Labour were just called anti-semitic in the UK. The discourse has shifted to the far right. In Europe centre-left parties are adopting right-wing policies to appease voters.

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>Everybody on reddit told me the rusty scalpels were the best thing to use so I shouldn't be held accountable for it!

>Trump called himself a nationalist. That used to be a term for the far-right
In which year?
>And then Americans wonder why right-wing discourse and violence is on the rise in their country.
Half of twatter is calling for killing whites and they do not even get a wristslap. Trump has been attacked on rally before elections. Fake hate right wing crimes were carried before election. Republican office was attacked before election.
You are full of shit.

No, guy, I'm not a Jow Forumsack. I'm a liberal American. I was chuckling wondering what right wing discourse would look like. Lord knows I've never seen it.

>>Trump called himself a nationalist. That used to be a term for the far-right
>In which year?
2018, two weeks ago
>>And then Americans wonder why right-wing discourse and violence is on the rise in their country.
>Half of twatter is calling for killing whites and they do not even get a wristslap.
Free speech, nigger
>Trump has been attacked on rally before elections. Fake hate right wing crimes were carried before election. Republican office was attacked before election.
Coherent
>You are full of shit.
Agreed.

>not knowing anything about how industry, safety regulations, manufacturere&seller responsibility works
>not knowing how public sanity works
>being underage
>argumenting own view with le reddit xD
fucking die parasite

>le heartily chuckle

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Whew I never thought we'd have hospitalfags in here rabidly defending medical malpractice and trying to shift blame to manufacturers.

I'm all against the botnet and agree with your first paragraph, but what does it have to do with robotic arms?

>Seventh
Oh wow. I've read only of two backdoors in Cisco systems. I'd never imagine fucking SEVEN. Do they just make a new one when the old ones are discovered? How many more could there be?

>implying
never said I work in sanity. I work in robotics design,simulation and control.
just as your manchild shriveled brain knows both about being a redditor fag and about wasting his time on anime, same goes for other people who may work in one field and know about another.
Fortunately it never happened to use because we don't try to sell technology for what it isn't, but if we tried to sell to an industrial company a robot for manufacturing, claiming its safe, and then said robot splits a man in half because we didn't account for say, EM noise in the area, then we're fucking idiots and deserve to be held accountable. If instead the pajeet doing the control does the wrong trajectory without simulating it and kills someone, not our fault.
In the article it is clearly stated that the robot and the console weren't working nominally, thus preventing the pajeets from doing their job.
To add insult to injury, the responsibles didn't wait for the operations to be completed but rather decided that their presence wasn't necessary anymore, which is another sign of ineptitude and malpractice.
Now that an adult has told you how the world outside anime and reddit works, go make like a leaf and hang from a tree.

>Removed it's 7th
>What about the 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th

>rajesh.test.0
>rajesh.test.1
>rajesh.test.2
>rajesh.test.3
>pradeep.test.22

Could easily be solved with a headset and conference call.

>I'm a liberal American.
You're a retard.
>I was chuckling
Faggot.
>wondering what right wing discourse would look like. Lord knows I've never seen it.
Well, since you're a retard no one can blame you for not noticing. Just keep chuckling and watching superhero movies, let the adults discuss adult matters.

>In Europe centre-left parties are adopting right-wing policies to appease voters.
Good.

>far right
>collapse
Oh no, help, our country is too efficient and has zero tolerance for freeloaders. What will we ever do without the federal reserve and sending 37 billion to Israel? Oh the humanity!

Yes.

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>the far-right is against Israel
Hahahahahhahah
>"I have great admiration for Israel's nation-state law. Jews are, once again, at the vanguard, rethinking politics and sovereignty for the future, showing a path forward for Europeans," Spencer tweeted over the weekend.
haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-nation-state-law-backed-by-white-nationalist-richard-spencer-1.6295314

Holy fucking shit dude, do you even know where you live?

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>That used to be a term for the far-right
In which year?

Since 1939 you ignorant shit.

>corporations have two goals when designing/innovating new technologies

Stop dreaming faggot, you don't live in a cyberpunk society, you live the reality. This is how human nature works and always has. The big bad wolf you're fighting are humans and human nature itself, always was, always will be, with or without technology.

We can alpha test hardware on poor bastards or we can accept the fact that waiting for every medical device to reach maximum "safe" and mature is going to make each machine cost a gorillion fukken dollars.

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>corporations aren't real
>muh human nature
>The big bad wolf you're fighting are humans and human nature itself, always was, always will be, with or without technology.
Human society is a technological society. You cannot separate people from technology.