Why is Google pushing RCS?

Because SMS and MMS are pitiful and iMessage is the one thing Apple has thats actually more functional for the average end user

RCS doesn't solve the problems with SMS or provide an alternative to iMessage, or even Whatsapp. It's still a proprietary system tied to carrier networks, and their internal implementation of it is opaque. Your messaging identity is fixed to that carrier's service and can't function without it.

Google Hangouts in its full-power form was the best solution so far (XMPP support, SMS fallback, device/ISP agnostic) but they've been slowly deprecating it because they're retarded.

To advertise and sell you shit like usual. Send money via sms with 2% transaction fee!

SMS is so bad

But RCS is not encrypted for some reason?

I almost wish Google and Apple would just adopt Signal as their default messaging solution.

I was a Google fanboy for years. I bought a 6s last year and I don't think I could go back. iMessage is unironically god tier.

>everyone railing on SMS
Why? Shit works and literally anyone with a cell phone made in the last twenty years can use it.

>Through SMS.
This sounds like an incredibly fucking easy way to get into someone's phone.

Surely some form of government lobbying. Google can't find their arse with both hands when it comes to messenger protocols. They did fine with Hangouts in fact but they don't understand the concept of long-term support - they're kneejerk.

RCS is absolute dogshit. It's 2018, and it's cleartext (where it counts). But it doesn't work where data service is spotty, where SMS does.

Signal and Noise are still very much in active development, but yes there are multiple independent, but incompatible, implementations. It's usable right now, and is a great base to build on.

Please see datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mls/about/ for work towards a standardised protocol based on lessons learned.

Because google wants to datamine your text messages too.

There's literally nothing wrong with SMS, it works on all devices, old and new.

Which is why carriers are adopting the universal profile and not their own meme version of it

Why don't Americans just use Signal, Telegram, or Whatsapp? It seems you guys all bitch and moan about iMessage iPhone users being tied into an ecosystem. Honestly are Americans really that Lazy that they can't install a third party messeger app?

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>google is retarded

This why chinks win,

>payment system NFC
>not everyone has NFC
>chink use qr code.
>everyone has camera phone.

>There's literally nothing wrong with SMS, it works on all devices, old and new.
what a stupid comment

>Honestly are Americans really that Lazy that they can't install a third party messeger app?
Texting is free and unlimited here so most people just use it.

Why the hell would I sign up for a third party messaging service?

all fatally flawed because they require a carrier-provided phone number (and therefore subscription)

SMS doesn't work on devices without cellphone carrier service-- basically anything that's not a phone. rube goldberg setups like pushbullet notwithstanding

You can use telegram or signal with Google voice numbers or other burners.

>why is Google doing something with
So they can abandon it in 2 years

Google Voice is going to be killed any minute now, like the rest of Google's useful products.

Why demand a phone number in the first place? This is a massive regression from ICQ/AIM/MSN/etc.

>proprietary glorified orgmode
what a time to be alive

>SMS doesn't work on devices without cellphone carrier service-- basically anything that's not a phone.
Everyone has a phone. Grow up and get a job, you can always use prepaid.

So where do we move on to now that hangouts voice is on its death bed? I'm gonna miss my free phone number.

suggested replies are the cancer of text messaging

i will take a shit on google's grave when they go banrkupt in 2028

Also monolithic consolidation helps train neural networks and ai by giving them a massive variety of data that would otherwise require a large amount of cooperation and disclosure

>Why don't Americans just use Signal, Telegram, or Whatsapp?
Generally, they don't message people outside of their own country.

>SMS doesn't work on devices without cellphone carrier service
So send an email telling them to buy a fucking cell phone.

> using messaging other than Telegram
Normies get out

But regular SMS are shitty and they're also completely transparent to your carrier. Do americans really not care about it at all?

>button's

Wait, why is regular sms shitty? And what is this obsession with Americans you have? From what I know, only people from 3rd world shitholes use Telegram and such, because they need to communicate with their family and friends that are still in Uzbekistan or some shit. Everyone I know uses Facebook Messenger and SMS and I live in Europe.

You almost got me.

What? This isn't bait if that's what you're implying. Why do you people need a hundred fucking apps to send goddamn text, when everyone already has SMS.

1) I text A LOT, and I need to be able to text from my computer not just my phone
2) I don't want my carrier to be able to read my texts, SMS is not secure
3) I want to be able to easily send files with my messenger, SMS can't do that

Facebook Messenger nigga. Everyone has it.

I don't use Facebook and none of my friends do. Social networks are for retarded normies.

Why should the majority adapt to what a very small group of people wants them to do? You can make up niche examples all day, I couldn't care less. In Europe, 95% of people under 40 years of age have facebook accounts and use messenger for sending text and video. Sure, Snapchat is popular too, but it's mostly used between very close friends.

> unironically having a facebook account

These "people" are genetic waste.

sooo imessage?

People who unironically use the word "normie" have no authority over what is considered genetic waste.

In my country we prefer the term "bydlo". Seriously, who the fuck has faceberg account? Do you not care about your privacy at all?

Lmao, bydlo are the ones who don't have facebook accounts. They use Vkontakte. Basically everyone I know have facebook accounts, including people from other European countries. It seems you live in some weird social bubble.
And yes, regular people don't mind their data being sold to advertisers, or at least they don't mind it enough to the point where they are willing to be cut off from socializing with their friends.

> Lmao, bydlo are the ones who don't have facebook accounts. They use Vkontakte.
In my social circles "vkontakte" is regarded even lower than faceberg.
> It seems you live in some weird social bubble.
All of my friends are highly skilled tech workers paranoid about tech, so probably yes.
> socializing with their friends.
Socializing is for real life, not sharing shitty pictures and status updates on the interwebs.

Ok so what's your point? That Americans are stupid for not using encrypted messaging services, when in actuality Europeans are no different?
I personally don't care if I get personalized ads. Why should I? I'm not losing anything by doing so, and I don't mind Facebook benefitting from it, because I'm using their service, after all.

>why isn't everyone in the world a paranoid neckbeard like me

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My point is pretty much this: The only social network I have an account with is Github. If someone tries to find some information about me by searching up my real life name they will find nothing. I am extremely paranoid about what I feed to the BEAST. You should be too.

So you're trying to feel superior about your paranoia by calling other people out in inflammatory ways (e.g. "Do americans really not care about it at all?", "Honestly are Americans really that Lazy that they can't install a third party messeger app?")
Ok gotcha.

>If someone tries to find some information about me by searching up my real life name they will find nothing.
Btw that really hurts your employment opportunities.

This post was not by me. I am genuinely interested in how many people there are in other countries who have a similar outlook on privacy.
I am a valuable tech specialist, employers need me more than I need them. Btw in my country social media presence is not as big a thing as in the US.

I can't wait until Google's Skynet clone gets put into operation and you receive the EXTREMELY UNUSUAL ACTIVITY - LIKELY A PEDOPHILE OR TERRORIST flag within seconds.

By that point in time I will be hunted down and slaughtered anyway because I am a Christian.

My bad.
>I am genuinely interested in how many people there are in other countries who have a similar outlook on privacy.
In general, no, not even in the country you live (Poland?)
>employers need me more than I need them.
Oh please, these "tech specialists" are dime a dozen these days. Someone who has no footprint on the internet automatically raises suspision to any reasonable employer. Please tell me you at least have a Linkedin profile

>Signal
Telegram is much better.

> In general, no, not even in the country you live (Poland?)
I live in Russia.
> Oh please, these "tech specialists" are dime a dozen these days
I am one of the treasured few. I don't like sounding arrogant but it is true.
>Someone who has no footprint on the internet automatically raises suspision to any reasonable employer.
I would not want to work with people who see this as suspicious instead of "oh fuck that guy is good".
>Please tell me you at least have a Linkedin profile
I don't. Having fake info on Linkedin defeats its purpose, and I really don't want to willfully put my private info (name, photo, education, employment history) out there in public.

That explains it. Nobody uses facebook because everyone is on Vk in Russia and they use Telegram because of shitty cellphone plans.

Still, none of the people I socialize with have accounts in Vk. We prefer Telegram for its security (and a bit of ethnic pride over Durov, I must admit).

By the way almost all of my coworkers have Facebook accounts, it's considered more "hip" than Vk for some reason.

Didn't Durov leave VK because it got compromised by the Russian authorities? Is he considered a Western spy by most Russians? Like Navalny?
How do you know Telegram is safe?
Wait, so now you're arguing against yourself? I thought you said that almost nobody has Facebook accounts.

RCS is an advancement on SMS/MMS. google make operating systems for phones. why wouldn't they want to push its use?
google has supported RCS messaging for quite some time now. (at least 2012 onward).

>Someone who has no footprint on the internet automatically raises suspision
imagine compulsive lying this much? wew.
>Please tell me you at least have a Linkedin profile
what a sad and pathetic corporate prostitute. I know what yours would say:

name: vlad putin
occupation: compulsive lying alcoholic
previous work experience: sucking corporate cock.

>Didn't Durov leave VK because it got compromised by the Russian authorities?
Yes.
> Is he considered a Western spy by most Russians? Like Navalny?
No, not at all, even by patriotic-minded ones.
> How do you know Telegram is safe?
You don't. I treat everything digital as compromised by default, and never digitize anything that might get me in trouble.
> Wait, so now you're arguing against yourself? I thought you said that almost nobody has Facebook accounts.
I said that people I socialize with have no accounts in social networks. My coworkers do. My coworkers are not my friends.
Btw me and all of my friends are oldfag imageboard retards as well so that might explain our inherent disdain for normietech like vk and faceberg.

I use SMS, WhatsApp, Messenger, and sometimes others because I can. Mostly SMS and WhatsApp, people have iPhones and Samsung mostly but no one says anything about iMessage, stop listening to shills online dummy.
>I need a secure way to send encrypted files and messages because...
Have a seat over there.

Pretty much. Half of my extended family have iPhones and they all use Facebook Messenger or Viber or some shit.

I own 30k of Facebook stock atm. Down 5k right now, but I'm not selling because Facebook will be a trillion dollar company

RCS is being pushed by Samsung too.

Source: Work for Samsung RnD on RCS implementation.

Didn't know teenage girls post here

Telegram is compromised. Signal is FOSS and actually encrypts metadata E2E

I tried to get people to use Signal, but everyone just wants to use iMessage. iMessage is great, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather use a platform agnostic program

> RCS
> google
since fucking when is this google's idea? it's a GSM specification that they have to support with their operating system.
100% bullshit, otherwise you would have corrected this retard:
>68770723

do any of you idiots know what you are talking about? god help us all.
> NO

yes, we know how bad telegram is.. but:
> Signal
> Signal uses standard cellular mobile numbers as identifiers
wow. that's really secure, user. top fucking kek. you know you're a dribbling retard when this is considered as being "secure".

Everyone uses either Whatsapp or Facebook's other piece of trash anyway. I really can't see RCS taking off. There's no way to even market it properly, for fuck's sake.

Because it has not seen any innovation for the last 20 year are so. It's total trash

I want the redditors to leave

>RCS is being pushed by Samsung too.
Every company is...

>I really can't see RCS taking off. There's no way to even market it properly, for fuck's sake.

It's just going to be forced into your next phone, completely replacing SMS, you retard.