Bachelors required (masters/phd preferred)

>Bachelors required (masters/phd preferred)
>Java, Javascript, C++, and C# 3+ years experience
>must have excellent communication skills
>at least 1 year experience with *5 different niche meme frameworks
>must be willing to work overtime including weekends
>job type: contract 6 months
>salary: min wage +$1 /hr

How can I ever repay my student loans like this, my cs degree cost me $47k

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uhh you don't?
Don't spend thousands of dollars on something you can learn for free online?
move to silicon valley and get your wallet castrated in the hopes a soulless tech company will see you as valuable?

you fucced up user

lie on ya cv to get a better job.

job searching is 100% about lying. humans are scum

it's not all bad though. you just gotta cope ;)

>>>>

>>>>>>this

Go into software sales/ technical sales consultant.
I can't program my way out of a box and have a good paying job I love. These are always in demand. Try it out.

How get this job? How increase chances

Just B.E. yourself

>cs degree
We call it clown science for a reason.

i learned my lesson
while passion matters in what you do.
when you going to college or school for your passion
need to also be realistic.
start looking for job offers and see what kind of skills they lookin for.
then get those certs. build that portfolio and become familiar with said things.
pieces wont just fall into place
until you reach 30.

>$47k

Wrong. You only need to lie if you were a lazy fuck in school and didn't bother trying to get good grades and an internship or part-time job.

t. someone who doesn't lie on his résumé

By the time you get your degree, you should have at least 2 years of professional experience. Unless you're a lazy piece of shit.
Also the listed "requirements" are usually suggestions and you may get the job while not satisfying half of them.

This

Lessons to be learned:

- Requirements in job listings are rarely absolute, unless explicitly stated. Apply anyway, they will consider you if you are a strong candidate.

- Get a part-time or full-time semi-relevant job while in college/uni. It's basically a get out of jail free card for bad grades, you can blame it on focusing on your work and prioritizing.

- Join a hackerspace at your college, or some student union thing that is relevant to your field. Extracurricular stuff is worth its weight in gold and shows that you have a passion and contrary to popular belief, side-projects actually counts as experience (albeit not professional experience).

Look for a shitass agency. They're always desperate for talent due to insane turnover. Then when you land the job start working towards a position elsewhere.

For a degree and a masters in my European country I pay in total 5000€ and it will lower next year.
Poor burgers. I pity them desu.

Don't. They pay squat in taxes, meaning that the average american salary is higher than most top-tier euro salaries after taxes.

You could try socialism for once you braindead amerishits.

At least here anyone no matter how poor or rich he is can go to college.
In America only middle class and above can go there because only those can afford 50k$

>he doesnt apply for jobs which require phd
dumb frog

Well, that has its downsides as well. I'm Norwegian, and because education is "free" here, it's pretty much expected for all jobs that you have higher education. Not only that, it's impossible to find developer positions without a master's degree in CS/informatics.

While the upsides to free education is undoubted, it also tends to inflate the value of having a degree. If you don't have one, you're seen as a complete failure by society and getting a job is difficult. I don't know about you, but I don't think it is necessary with a master's degree to punch items in the grocery store.

What about the kids in high school? Are they able to get any job?

>you should have at least 2 years of professional experience
What absolute bullshit. Internships won't give you that much, part time jobs in tech are rare as hell, and you sure aren't pulling a full time job without a degree.

>>Bachelors required (masters/phd preferred)
do people with grad degrees even bother with positions outside of research?

Not really, but usually they don't want to either. I mean, it is still possible to get jobs as a cashier or working in a clothing shop or as a waiter, but the competition for these jobs are very high and usually go to people who already have experience.

Over half of people in my uni had part time jobs starting after 2nd year, including myself. Many companies are fine with 25-30 hours a week if you have a good reason. And if your internship doesn't upgrade into at least a junior position after 3 months, either you're bad, or your company is bad.

>he went to such a shit school and went for such an unrigorous degree that he could take 30 hours a week off from school

should have gone for a master or just skipped uni completely and become a electrician or some bullshit

Yeah I agree as well. While I agree one should be able to go to college if he wants, I too believe not everyone is good with books and we are losing many good people who can perform better at some crafts.

>File
>Save As...
>Upload to cloud service
>State side management downloads file
>Goes through DevOps team comprised of 5 white Americans
>Release
>SDLC

Learn a trade or learn business. Everything else is outsourced because pic related.

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>>must have excellent communication skills
I wish normies never got into programming. Why they feel the need to make everything a sort of social club, is beyond me.

One thing I never understand about Jow Forums is this "paying off your loans" shit. If you were smart in hs and proved to be of at least some value, you'd have gotten a scholarship.

I worked 2part time jobs after getting nearly a full ride and had enough money to live passably. I was only about 8k in debt, but after getting hired directly out of college, I already paid them off within half a year and that was within my grace period so there was hardly any intrest.

If yall didn't have your heads in your asses growing up, you'd be sitting pretty right about now. And people wonder why Jow Forums has become psuedo /v/ with some retards complaining about "having a hard time finding work"

Some of us come from dirt poor families going to schools that were mostly made up of rich fags. Not all of us could "just go to college with a scholarship bro". Or worse, you come from a semi-poorfag family but your parents refuse to co sign any loans or help pay for anything and based on your parents earnings the government thinks you only need a certain amount of money that is actually never enough. And also if you go to a state that has ridiculously expensive higher education.

Why not?

Degrees are oversaturated now so most programmers will have an MSc.

I have a PhD colleague with the same job title as me. I'm an inept idiot with a MSc in CS and he has a PhD in optical physics

>I KNOW WHAT I GOT

>no tire kickers

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Lol and did your daddy help you get that internship/part time job?

lol get a job with a bigger company.

>nepotism
Not that user, but it's part of this world kid mine as well use it to your advantage when available.

MSc literally cannot get you a research position, period.

>implying I didn't take them off my hobbies, social life, and sleep
lmao at this normalfag

>bullshit projects and work experience
>put friend/family numbers as references
>???
and that's how you get the job

>being too autistic to fake all those things

"Just get a scholarship bro". I went to a school in a shithole and my education did not snowball nicely like yours. I did not have any good educational influences around me, the teachers didn't care about the students, and the other students where all dumb as fuck

>paying that much for a degree
You can get a degree under $10,000 easily, why pay that much my guy?

Lol. You're portuguese, americans should pity you (us)

Should have gone to a better school friend

This so much. (See Winklevoss Twins)

Then just go to a competency based university and be done with it. A lot cheaper, a lot faster.

>it's the teachers fault I didn't take control of my own life

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Why should I care if anyone other than myself can go to college?

>many companies are fine with 25-30 hours a week
What companies?
>uni
Ah I see, not in the US.

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It is the parents reaponsibility to place their kids in an environment where they will reach their potential. How is a 14 year old supposed to know what's best for them. Not my fault i had a cripling mmo addiction from 11 till 15. Ruined my eduction.

I lived in outback australia. The went to the only school within 100 kilometers.

>still in school, need to pay tuition
>nobody is willing to hire a part-time software engineer
>current company took over 2 years to promote me from intern to junior position, and only did so after I gave my notice to quit
I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming some tech hub full of startups that are desperate for cheap labor.

They're probably just posting because they have to before they can hire the H1B they actually want. Look for real jobs. If you went to a half-decent school they should have a career center and online job board.

No you ruined your own education.
There is no excuse for not learning what you missed now. And to be quite honest, very little is taught in school at that age anyway because students are more interested in getting laid then preparing for collage.

>Not my fault i had a cripling mmo addiction from 11 till 15.
Sure it is. It's might be a parent's responsibility, but it's both party's fault. The sooner you stop making excuses the sooner you can move forward.

I certainly knew well enough at age 13 that the amount of times I expended on video games was bad for me. Did it anyway. Still do things that are bad for me. And take responsibility for both. Because you're not a kid anymore and no one else is going to do it for you. There's no grandfather clause on this shit. Time to rip that band-aid off and own your life.

>not having free university in your cunt
your choice

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Yeah, sure, saturate the job market with even MORE useless degrees. That's JUST what America needs. Besides, if you can't make a scholarship, you probably don't need to be in college.
>inb4 "scholarships are all just affirmative action crap"
Look at the stats, that's really not true. Even among the universities that DO have "cultural" criteria for scholarship (most don't), very few make it because of that and those with the top grades in high school always get first pick.

And on top of it all, the 2+2 (community college -> university) route is EXTREMELY affordable and very useful for the student.

Really everyone just goes full pants-on-head retarded when it comes to college. The routes are there for anyone to make it, people just want to bitch about not going to their "dream school" whose name will mean NOTHING for anything short of a PhD. Or they pay out the ass to go to their "dream school" and then bitch about the debt.

>he thinks that shit is required

Listen nigger, just apply anyway. I landed a junior sysadmin job that had a bachelors requirement and certs in Win server and Linux administration and I literally only have a HS degree and 0 certs. All my experience is personal. No professional besides just tech support.

There is nothing wrong with applying anyway, the only thing you risk is them telling you “no, you’re not hired. Thanks for your time.” It does not hurt you in any way to apply anyway and get rejected. You’re only hurting yourself by not just applying anyway.

>America
Found your problem m8

I did take responsibility. I have comp sci degree now. But i started the degree in my 20's with 0 math/physics knowledge and other educational difificiencies. Had to relearn it all from the very basics online through shit like Kahn academy.

I could be so much further advanced in my education and career if i had better hands to guide me. A society that leaves 14 year olds to their own free will, will inevitably produce brainlets. Which is why our society is far below its potential.

It was already implied. But you really think your socialist tax-dollar cardboard degrees are any more valuable than ours? Because the GDP has something to say about that. Europe might still have great post-grad degrees somewhere in the folds of its eldritch culture, but below that it's the same joke only without a punch-line.

I enjoy my salary that is double than your europoor salary and I have much lower taxes. Mummy and daddy paid for my university and living expenses since my family isn't poor like yours. Feels good to win

>wasting 2 years of your life at high school day care (community College)

Lmaoing at youre life

Why did you write that
Like you were making a
Freeform poem?
It's a tad strange, lad,
My head: shaking.
user: wouldn't know em

CC is great for brainlets, but absolutely soul crushing for anyone that isn't a moron. I go to a (supposedly) reputable one and it is really painful to watch these people struggle with basic concepts like linked lists.

H-how do you know that user?

What a shithole. I pay 0€.

>At CC
>by the final the 30 student class is down to 10 people
>mfw this was intermediate algebra

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For 20k$ I get a degree from the USA studying from my country, Albania.
I pay less and get the exact same degree kek!~

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I'm a portuguse guy just finishing a master's, I recognized the tuition values

I first though you worked at Google or something.
Gotta say it spooked me a bit.

Depends where you are. I did this in Europe where we get paid overtime and get overtime food. So I earned plenty and had no time to spend any money, got rid of my student debt and house loan in this time.

Only problem was there was zero time for being social so I am still single. Then again that saves an enormous amount of money.

Switzerland here. Costs me ~7000 and we pay almost no taxes, too. Last year I paid ~780. I can deduct a crazy amount of things due to being a student whilst working 60% and earning ~3500 a month after deductions.

don't talk if you don't know the american system. Government pays me to go to STEM school cuz I have the big poor. I've gotten thousands so far

LMAO CS jobs there are like 20k euro

Do you actually believe that burgers make 60k year straight out of college? Lol

personally i disagree
i believe that if programming is your passion
you needn't make it a career
you could do as i do
and pick up another trade
less pay, but you won't want to kill yourself
fighting pajeets all day

>>must have excellent communication skills
this is where every Jow Forumstard will fail, prove me wrong

t. faglet who will achieve nothing in life

I think I'm going to give up and get my teaching certificate. If I can't get a programming job, then I will teach the next generations programming skills and warn them about the industry.

What the fuck, I make more than that in fucking Poland, and I'm only finishing MSc now.

This is literally H1B immigration fraud so they can claim they can't find an American to do the work. Call ICE and report them.

Nigger, you're supposed to lie on your resume and cheat your way through college so you can spend that time learning actually useful stuff, all while getting that sweet, sweet piece of paper.
Didn't your parents ever tell you?

>he is such a brainlet that he needs ro devote all of his time to studying
let me guess... you studied computer "science"?

I just signed for $81k and I'm in my senior year, start in June

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I've been to both an expensive private 4-year, and a CC.

Half the people I met at CC had been there 5-6 years because they either got trapped in a math hole unable to pass basic algebra and geometry classes, or they just switched majors every other semester when they had a mildly difficult class.

Comparatively, of the people I met at private uni, I was one of only a handful that changed their major or dropped out.

There is something to be said for the motivating factor of soul crushing debt.

why would you need nepotism to get a part time job, are you retarded?

Too bad that's 4 year worth of salary in Albania

That's because you're a student. Everyone else gets fucked with taxes. Jesus, you are retarded. Proof that those taxes are going to waste.

Lol. I got 75k straight out of college and I live in GA. All my bills and rent cost me $500 a month. LMAOing @ ur lyfe

Yeah its expensive
My parents got money though they pay for it so what do I care

Go to India. It's the future.

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And my parents and a lot of Americans get their parents to pay for it. Uni being expensive is one of the only talking points eurpoors say because they are too busy coping with their shit salary and high taxes

There's so many scholarships floating around. The problem is barely anyone applies for them and most retards barely even get their highschool diploma. I know someone that somehow got their highschool diploma with a 1.7 GPA and taking 5 years and then complains how they cant get any scholarships for community college.

If you are really in poverty then you can sell out your soul for 4 years in the us army and then when you get out you get a shit ton of bonuses including free school

My state paid for tuition if you had above a 3.0 WEIGHTED GPA. Only a literal retard couldn't get that. You can also look for other scholarships. Of course, Europoors are dumb as fuck so they don't know shit and parrot memes.

>Accenting your e's
Consider cutting your dick off and feeding it to the geese

what did those twinks lie about? fill me in pl0x