Have you been paying attention Jow Forums ?

no

ziggo, think its a dutch subset of UPC. laws here are such that most policies don't target consumers, only providers get in trouble.

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>gee don't want my ISP to see my traffic
>guess I gonna route it via some anonymous chink/poo vpn service
much security very private

people who do need VPNs set up their own and don't use faggot services aimed at gaymurs pirating child porn

you cant hide from the NSA. Only from your ISP and own government, If they dont cooperate with the US, that is.
Tor suffices and its free.

>don't use vpn
>even the most trustworthy ISP has to bend the knee

>use vpn
>not even FBI can get your logs

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In general,
The FBI needs to come up with a story on how they got the evidence. It does not mean that the NSA does not have your info.
I am talking out of my ass.

Any FBIfag/NSAfag can confirm this? I ask out of scientific curiosity.
Fuck your security clearance :3

One thought people have using a VPN service, is they are one ip in a massive pool.

But this is no different from using a vps.
At least if you set it up yourself properly you can guarantee there is no logging.

What would using a VPN possibly do for me? The NSA and anyone else can easily track the VPN, or better yet, threaten the VPN to give them my info.
It's just another chain in the link that can fail.
VPNfags are cancer.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

>threaten the vpn to give them my info
they have no info to give if you get a vpn that doesnt keep logs

There have been many cases where VPNs that said they don't log suddenly had logs to hand over.

The NSA knows everything?
Say the FBI/DEA etc couldn't come up with their side on parallel construction and a case does not go to court.
The question is,
does the NSA have incriminating data that connects to identities, even if your behind 7 proxies and they know what you are up to? Even if they cant prosecute because parallel construction does always work. Do they know everything?

For instance, this imageThey know who the people are.
But to proceed in court, they need to follow due process and that means having VPN logs. The FBI couldn't get them, but even so, the NSA knows who did what.

The NSA knows things illegally. For the FBI to use that information in court they must have some story they can tell the judge about how they legally acquired it.

I think what I am asking, is if its possible to *technically* hide from the NSA.

Now that I think about it, this is a question that is more difficult to answer than it looks.
What they can do is mostly secret. Not everything Snowden stole was published.

This.
Nobody give a shit about browsing data of random, common people. most never leave Facebook but VPN trick people with "online privacy" bullshit.

Why Do They Always Type The Title Like That Is It Something To Do With English Grammar Or Are They Named Tyler Wearing

Considering the NSA flags you if you even search "Linux Journal" on google, I'd say the best way to avoid them is to blend into the noise.
Don't try to hide your Jow Forums posting, don't use a VPN for benign shit like reddit. Just don't consider what the NSA is doing with your data, because no one knows but them, they invest billions of dollars into tracking as much as possible, and unless you stick out like a sore thumb your data is never going to be relevant to them.

>"Brands We Love"
Anyone who says or types things like this, and any website that posts them, is automatically highly suspicious. Only marketing shitheads out to scam you think or speak in those terms.

She kinda hot though

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I am not sure if this is true, because I am not a specialist, my level of knowledge does not even scratch the surface.

I think its reasonable to assume that, even if someone is hiding behind 7 proxies, the NSA knows what this someone is doing and who this someone is.

Hiding does not mean hiding your activity and keeping what you see private like people think, it only means that they can't use what they know in court. But they *know* what you see and *who* you are. In short, you can hide from website operators and from your ISP, but ultimately not from the NSA.

Or this is what I speculate.

She can threaten me any day with her bomb ass pussy

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>don't trust your ISP, trust this other company instead
Either way you might be fucked without knowing.

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>tfw vpns cant protect you if you are using any Chromium based browser

i browse the internet using public wifi with a camera pointing over my shoulder live streaming everything and i'll make sure everyone else has to do the same

i've got nothing to hide

When you're using your ISP you also have to trust every website you connect to because they now have your IP address and know where you live.

i use privateinternetaccess when I torrent but that's about it

I'm a fort Meade spook. The database has a lot of shit, but the vast majority is meta data and data sent in the clear. Your text messages, unencrypted emails, that stuff. If you're being specifically targeted, you could theoretically be mitm'd, but even then, it's a rough gambit. Honestly, most crimes, the road to success is physical access to the person or machine. Busting encryption is straight up off the table.

A VPN is moving blind trust from your ISP to your VPN service. The thinking man uses Tor.

you're retarded

you act like that happens often

Not with perfect privacy vpn faggot. They kept 0 logs when a raid happened to one of their servers. Look up “perfect privacy vpn raid”. Nothing was extracted and they even replaced the hardware to be safe rather than getting the same hardware back from the police which could have been compromised

I look for one but Jow Forums says "oh that one ratted out a pirate" and shit like that with no documentation of the incident they talk about. There is no central repository of incidents of VPN companies breaking their promises and shit so it's all rumor and I dont know which one is best.

You can create your own VPS with openVPN in this case, you will be sure there are no logs stored in the server.

WHY ISNT THE UPDATE BUTTON WORKING FuCKKKKKKKKKK

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One thing I think of is that someday some Basedberpunk white knight faggot from Google or YouTube might leak the IPs of everyone whose ever watched Sargon of Akkad or some other alt-right nazi like Mundane Matt and that will become some blacklist or something. Doesn't have to be illegal to be damaging and never underestimate the will of SJWs who have strongarmed Silicon Valley to try to be a hero with a data leak - even if they get fired they will make a billion on Patreon for the leak.

Even if you don't think there's a difference between having your traffic go through a VPN as opposed to an ISP, how about when you're connected to a public WiFi?

>leak the IPs

You mean the IP I had several months ago, that google maps would say it comes from the next city?

Your speculation makes sense if its google accounts, and there is people using their real identities on them. But even still, if someone accuses you of wrong think

>"I just clicked on it and watched it for a few seconds :^)"

Now go back to Jow Forums friend.

Well, at least we have found what we have in common

It's easier to read when the sentence is broken up into 3-4 lines.

Tor is maintained and updated by somebody too. Whenever there is a person in chage of development in any way it always becomes exploitable.
Nothing is safe.

/thread

VPN:
- proxies traffic
- fast
- good for getting around geoblocks
- costs

TOR:
- proxies traffic
- anonymizes traffic
- good for getting around geoblocks
- slow
- free

using a VPN for privacy is pretty pointless, since you're just shifting from "ISP can see what you're doing and knows who you are" to "VPN company can see what you're doing and knows who you are"
the advantage to Tor is that it doesn't require trust in order to be anonymous

niga im on vpn since 90s

This. Ever since the beginning of this year, literally every YouTuber suddenly is "concerned about their privacy" and shilling NorVPN, ExpressVPN, etc. Personally I don't think it's necessary, as it wouldn't do much unless you frequent open WiFi's without encryption, visit non HTTPS sites, put in your CC info in shady sites and other retarded things. I don't trust the VPN service to gather all my data. And I dislike the idea of "paying for internet" on top of already paying for internet access.

user they are paid to do that shilling ffs.

I always figured the only way to be truly user was through a stolen box, or more accurately a hijacked box someone else owned

People have been stating this for years but I still don't see a reason to buy into it.

Than again, it could completely depend on how much you plan on "hiding" all your content, purchases, media, etc. online.
For instance, staying out of social media and using services like Google, Amazon, is understandable.
But going out of your way to encrypt all your data being accessed, use temp emails, and faux PayPals for purchases, you 'might' lead to some speculation from higher ups. Again, if you can go through the process of keeping yourself private, in theory, there shouldn't be any issues.

But I still believe, the less the IC knows about you, the better. Investigations regarding data collection, can still only go so far. They would be more inclined to seize your computers before they go through a painstaking online backtracking regime.

That doesn't mean that they couldn't funnel your logs and sell them somewhere else.

The common man has two adversaries.
>The advertisement companies.
Fuck them, they shouldn't know my data.

>And the government.
Fuck them too, because they too shouldn't have rights over my data.

If you use VPNs and Tor, you pretty much are safe from the first adversary.
The second adversary, its a little bit different from the first. They are not enemies, its just a matter of principle, they do not have a right over my data. This is not a third world shithole, they aren't going to prosecure me for wrongthink.

Say I go out of my way to encrypt my hentai and hide from their surveillance apparatus and I am good enough to make individual employees intellectual curious because they think my patterns are interesting in a intellectual curiosity sense.
Say he works on decrypting my data and finds its all hentai.
What is he going to do? Its not a crime and he will leave me alone. What else will he do? Send drone over my house? Give me a break.

Its not about hiding because you do not want them to look at your data because you fear them, its a matter of principle. They can look if they figure out how. But they shouldn't have it in the first place.

If you don't try to hide, everything about you its a matter of a query in a database.
If you try to hide and you fail, its still a matter of a query.
If you hide and succeed, good for you for protecting your rights and its what you should be doing.
A true NSAfren will probably think you are a cool guy.

if i create a bot to scrape facebook pages, will a vpn allow me to do that so that facebook can't tell it's my ip address? also, is it easy to cycle through a bunch of ip addresses (in case facebook blocks the ip address)

>If you use VPNs and Tor, you pretty much are safe from the first adversary.
Unless your VPN service sells your data to advertisers, which plenty of them do.

trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorPlusVPN

This. I completely agree. You have a right to your own private life, and all your information.

>Its not about hiding because you do not want them to look at your data because you fear them, its a matter of principle.
This basically breaks the "but I have nothing to hide" argument if anyone follows that.

I've got literally no need for a VPN, I don't do dodgy shit online and the only thing I pirate is anime.

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They aren't lepricons. Unless your computer is compromised at the hardware and software level (which it is if you use intel CPUs and Windows 10) they aren't going to find you when you're covering your tracks properly.

They can't track you through a russian proxy chain + tor. They get most of their data from corporate repositories not magic. If you use libreboot and linux there's no backdoor for them to activate either.

brb telling your ISP

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>VPSes don't log traffic or what you're doing
That's silly.

Fuck off you dumb nazi.

>but I still don't see a reason to buy into it.
Why wouldn't you believe something that came out as part of the Snowden leaks? Do you just not believe the Snowden leaks period? People who know far more about computer security believe it, so I believe it too.
Is it really that hard to believe the NSA is spying on as many people as possible?

yup. use https and a DNS server other than your ISP or google.

Oh no!

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It's not that black and white. At least PIA has proven in court that they don't keep logs and can't reproduce them. Some other VPN providers might have done it as well. Also applies to:

>That doesn't mean that they couldn't funnel your logs and sell them somewhere else.
That doesn't mean you've somehow provided proof for this.

Do you need proof that crossing a street when a car is coming is dangerous too?

>car analogy
Yeah, surely proved ISPs and VPN providers which didn't reproduce any logs in court are selling your data elsewhere. And I'm sure you have your own internet infrastructure as well.