/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Damage report from building my first PC:
>have a large scratch on top of the case because I plugged cables into the PSU while it was lying on there
>have visibly scratched off a logo on the mainboard from fidgeting around with the video card too much
>pre-applied thermal paste on CPU heatsink is smeared all over the CPU since it has weird screws with springs and I had to try several times to get them it and pulled off the sticked-on heatsink a few times in the process
>can't fit PSU cables in the case properly, have to apply force to the cover to shut it
How fucked am I?

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I am a brainlet building my first pc. Can I use this 320 hard drive I yanked out of a broken 2010 MacBook Pro? I’m trying to save some money and this hardrive looks brand new. Would it work with windows?

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are you literally 9 years old

nvme's are useless for vidya and cost twice as much as a regular ssd.

You occupy one M.2 slot, then one SATA port gets blocked. Read the manual for details on which ones that do.

If you need that many SATA ports though, you should invest in a server instead.

Severely.

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Worst case scenario is that the disk has a file system Windows can't recognize, in that case boot a Linux distro from a USB drive and format the hard disk from within Linux. Shouldn't be difficult.

they aren't USELESS, but by and large, they wont be a noticeable addition compared to a decent SATA SSD.

There are certainly a few games that can see some nice loading time increases due to the pure read speed, but it's generally not significant enough to bother with. Especially since SATA SSDs already have much improved IOPS performance over HDDs, as well as near instant access time, just like NVMe drives.

>If you need that many SATA ports though, you should invest in a server instead.
Or you know, just buy a $20-30 add-on card for some extra drives.

No need to pay up for ECC and all sorts of other server/workstation specific hardware you don't need if all you need are additional SATA lanes.

Have you considered saving a little bit more and getting a 580? You can get an 8GB one for under £200 with free games now. It'll age a lot better than a 1050.

My current specs are as follows:

>i5 7600K (Kaby Lake)
>16GB DDR4
>GTX 1070
>1440p

What would make more sense, if I wanted to increase 1440p gaming performance - a new CPU or a new GPU?

I really doubt you get CPU limited in 1440p with a 1070.
Upgrade GPU

I've been watching nvme benchmarks all morning and couldn't find a single game that benefits in a significant way. At best i was looking at 5 sec shorter load time(usually 1-1.5) compared to a regular ssd. So unless devs actually start using the tech, it's useless for vidya. Of course, if you're moving files all day then of course you'll see a big difference.

new GPU

Oddly enough, CPU due to you being gimped by a quad core with no hyperthreading and what I assume are fairly shitty clocks unless you OC'd heavily.
The 7600k has an all core turbo of 4ghz at stock with 4 cores.

The 9600k has 6 cores and can hit 4.3Ghz on all cores at stock

The 9700k has 8 cores and can hit 4.6Ghz on all cores at stock.

It's just something for the meantime, as my 560ti died recently and I'm on integrated HD 3000 right now, I'll upgrade again in a few months or a year.

>upgrading from my 970
>look up 970 prices just for shits and giggles
>used ones are still going for around $200

What the shit?

Order the CPU through mindfactory, you're wasting 100€.

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>CPU due to you being gimped by a quad core with no hyperthreading
t. running a 6600k ithout OC in 1440p at high framerates

What would be better? A 1080, 2070, 2080, or something else?

Guess I saw a weird one, but I'm still shocked to see used GPU prices above $100 for a 2-year old mid-range card.

Any of them will do

What's the difference between the 1070Ti FTW Ultra Silent and the 1070Ti FTW2
They're the same price and I don't know which one to get, is one objectively better

You know that just depends on the games you play...right?

GTA 5 for example, is happy to use 6 or 8 cores over 4 cores, and will gladly take a higher all core turbo on top of it.

You could see 30-40fps gains easily, not to mention average fps, and minimum fps also getting a nice boost.

Just depends what games you're playing.

there is no reason anymore to get a 1050/ti.
570s and 580s are a tiny bit more expensive and provide a lot more power. 580s are something between a 1060 6gb and maybe a 1070 mini.

is gtx 1060 with gddr5x worth it?

>No need to pay up for ECC and all sorts of other server/workstation specific hardware you don't need if all you need are additional SATA lanes.

Who said anything about enterprise server grade?

A NAS or some HDD enclosure will do the job fine, its more about protecting data. It adds complexity, but it also has some conveniences to it.

it's the same shit as the gddr5 version

personally I would get a rx 580

No one considers a NAS a "server"

you said
>If you need that many SATA ports though, you should invest in a server instead.

which is dumb

Which sub-600 euro 2070 should i buy?

get a 580 so you can at least get Freesync

see

My PC is dying, need a new one.

Put together some parts based on recommendations:

se.pcpartpicker.com/list/vnhtdX

I still need a solid PSU and general advice if this is a decent build.

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You buying now or later?

Are you really trying to argue that a 7600k is a bottleneck in 1440p when user is using a GTX 1070?
Seriously?

i am planning to buy as soon as possible, since my pc is constantly crashing under weak/medium workload ( surprsingly this 300€ trash used pc lasted for 6 years )

I am considering getting the "be quiet! Pure Power 11".

In total everything would cost 675€.

Not other user but you do realise that you can be cpu limited any any resolution - it all depends on what the game is doing at a given time right? A classic example is Civilisation - basically no matter what resolution you play at unless your gpu is horrifically underpowered the game is always cpu bound (hence why you can't use avg fps for benchmarking it - you have to use the turn time).

Without discussing the specific games in question, it's pointless to have this discussion.

You can post GPU bound games, I can post CPU bound games.

And in any case, more cores and a CPU that can achieve a higher single core clockspeed in general is going to increase your 0.1% minimum FPS even if you're not seeing significant gains in average FPS.

Oh I definitely agree that having a better CPU is nice for average and low 0.1%.
Just saying that in general (most games), you'll be GPU bound.

Here ya go

komplett.se/product/1090448/datorutrustning/lagring/haarddisk/ssd-25/crucial-bx500-240gb-25-ssd#

komplett.se/product/1077918/datorutrustning/datorkomponenter/minne/corsair-vengeance-lpx-ddr4-3000mhz-16gb?offerId=KOMPLETT-312-1077918#

komplett.se/product/1080422/datorutrustning/datorkomponenter/moderkort/amd-socket/asus-prime-b450m-k-socket-am4?offerId=KOMPLETT-312-1080422#

netonnet.se/art/datorkomponenter/grafikkort/nvidia/asus-geforce-gtx1050ti-cerberus-oc-4gb/1002616.8989/

inet.se/produkt/5300251/amd-ryzen-5-1600-3-2-ghz-19mb

inet.se/produkt/6900004/evga-gq-650w

If your case supports regular old ATX, then go with this mobo instead.
inet.se/produkt/1901318/asus-prime-b450-plus

holy shit i did not expect that O_O

thank you so much !!!

i don't have a usable case currently, so i'll have to get a new one anyway.
would you have a recommendation for that?

also i'd like to gift you something for your help, i have some unused steam keys if you want

>New 1070s go for $600 here
>I know a guy who can sell me 6-8 months old 1070s for $280-$320
>I can buy from him and flip it for $400 minimum
owo if I sell a dozen or two cards I can easily get enough for upgrades, rate my plan fa/g/s

Is the Dark Rock Pro 4 going to give me trouble installing ram on the ASRock - Z370 Extreme4?

>1050ti
why not a 580? Those things are dirt cheap and they shit all over the 1050ti/1060.

Vega56 for 1440p@144hz
if you play games like league or cs:go that need no performance yes you will get 144fps, if you play anything else 60fps is max on low settings

look into gskill ram mostly has better compatibility with ryzen

rest of the stuff seems solid, try to get an evga psu because fuck corsair

get 8700k save 200€ and get a 2080 will do you better

Get low profile ram (Corsair LPX) as the NH-D15 cooler will sit above ram. The meshify has good clearance, but any ram about 35mm and you will have to lose the front fan.

Not the end of the world, I stuck on a noctua 120mm fan, only losing 1 degree max, but low profile ram will give you less problems unlike my G Trident z's

pcpartpicker.com/list/MNGLxG
Hows it looking?

But the NH-D15 has a cutout for RAM and the fan can just be mounted a little higher then instead of removing it entirely.

>if you play anything else 60fps is max on low settings
>Vega 56 1440p
>60fps is max on low settings

The case has small clearance because its a compact case. The fan will his the glass with tall ram.

Also is meant for

2k CAD budget including peripherals
Building games in ue4/gaming
LG 27ud68 W monitor already
Not sure if I should build or buy

I really can't decide on whether I should get the MSI or Gigabyte version

only real difference is that the Gigabyte has two fans, not really sure how the cooling is on the ITX

I'm actually considering maxing out my budget to go for a Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ for 600€ instead, since the GPU is the big bottleneck for the monitor I bought on Black Friday.

As for RAM, does it have to be G.Skill or can it be any B-die RAM? Or does the memory timing have to be low enough? This shit is confusing as fuck.

For PSUs I keep reading conflicting reports on Corsair, Seasonic and EVGA. Each one is either perfect or garbage depending on the source, I don't know what to believe anymore.

Fucking rate my plan you faggots

UwU

I mean, yeah, sounds like a plan, assuming you don't get shagged by your own ineptitude or market forces.

pcpartpicker.com/list/rrqsfH

Can someone please take a look? I'm otherwise looking to buy the parts today if possible.
I already have a 2080ti btw.
Coming from a 4790k (which I'm giving to family) is it worth to just go to 9700k instead of 8700k?

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I have no idea what I'm doing. Is this any good?

How much should I be paying for this?

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Good for what? If videogames, at what resolution/refresh rate?

I plan to sell my current card which I got from him, then I'll buy another and keep gayming on it until someone buys it, then it's rinse/repeat until I hit $2K.

I'd compare benchmarks for the CPUs, you could also look up those channels on youtube which build PCs as cheap as possible, they'll probably have modern benchmarks of some of these parts. Crossfire 7870 might not be worth it desu, lots of hassle not much support. A single 7870 is definitely better than a 750ti

My only question is; will he not realise what you're doing and start selling them himself?

Windows 10 is being dumb.

Anyone know why it would report the wrong speed?

Searching online this don't seem to be that uncommon.

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Yes, video games. 1200*1900 I guess @ 60.

Set your XMP in your BIOS.

>budget
3000 euros excluding peripherals, monitor etc

>uses
Gaming, vr

>monitors
Looking to get two 1440p 60-100 hz monitors

I did, that is why CPU-Z is showing 1200.

What speed do you think it should be showing?

Paypal me the wonga and I'll sort it for you.

Task manager should be showing 2400, it should be displaying the dual channel speed.

Speccy and CPU-Z, as the single channel speed is always shown there.

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bump pls
this this will hold me over for a long time

it's not showing the single channel speed, it's showing the actual speed.

DDR means double data rate, to do this it works on the up and down beat.

It's running at 1200Mhz, double that to get the DDR speed of 2400Mhz.

It's showing it properly.

My point is that task manager is showing 1600mhz.

Top notch buddy what are the details?

About to pull the trigger on one of these
m.newegg.com/products/N82E16824009728

To be used for programming. What am I in for

What's a decent case for r5 2600 + rtx 2070? Is fractal meshify C a meme?

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Is your windows properly updated?

I doubt it's doing anything but mis-reading it.

Since you have multiple programs showing it properly.

Should be okay. The RAM is a little slow.
You want some SSDs/Hard disks though.
Some less optimized games will probably not hit 60, but very close.

~800-850 euros.

There are no decent cases nowadays, everything has become a compromise.
They don't make them like they used to.

I bought this when it was on sale for about ~$375

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD6H6KX3708&Description=zotac amp extreme 1070 ti&cm_re=zotac_amp_extreme_1070_ti-_-14-500-429-_-Product

It's running very well in my rig atm, but I can hardly find reviews on it. How bad did I fuck up?

Current rig for reference: pcpartpicker.com/list/fjNcr6

That's fine but wait till end of January.

AMD has their new CPUs coming out which should drive down 2000 series CPUs or give you a better option for the same price (Ryzen 3600 are hinted to be an 8 core/16 thread with 65wTDP) and they will announce the new GPU, which SHOULD drive down the 580 price (which is better in every metric than a 1060) or give you an idea whether to buy the new card or not.
Get 3000mhz ram tho. It plays massively into how Ryzen works and the cost is probably similar. Team Vulcan has 16GB in an 2x8 format for £100 so probably around 120 europs.
Stock AMD cooler is good enough on the 2000 series CPUs. I wouldn't bother buying an aftermarket unless you want to overclock and if you are overclocking, Noctua is your go to air cooler.

Basically wait till CES, which is the 8th - 12th of January and buy/build after that once prices shift. You'll either get a better computer for the same price as now or a cheaper computer for the same performance you are looking for.

I love the meshify c, it or the define would work fine

uk.pcpartpicker.com/guide/vpYcCJ/modest-amd-gaming-build check your local price for this as well. It's pretty much what you are aiming at.

Thanks guys. I'll do some more reading up, then come back mebe. I also already got an SSD from my current rig.

I have my 7600k running at 4.9 ghz using the build in oc software in the msi bios, doesnt get too hot with push/pull h100 on it

pcpartpicker.com/user/Mumbles/saved/GBZ3bv

New build im slapping together cause my last PC i built 6-7 years ago died. the 970 is going to be replaced soon, but im using it in the meantime

Currently I have a i5 6500, 8GB of ram and a 1070, if I want to game at 1440p/100-144ish hz will this be enough? I dont mind turning some setting to medium, will be playing seasonal games like Anthem, Metro Exodus ( This one I dont mind having it at medium and 60hz) maybe some COD(?)
And I know I need more ram so i´m only waiting for some kit to be on sale

For developing with unreal 4

pcpartpicker.com/list/chbhr6

Btw, I have no idea what the fuck im doing

looks fairly good actually. Drop the meme cooler and get a real one and get a bigger SSD (consider a normal SATA one if you don't need the extreme speeds of athe VME SSD.
You might not want to pay full price for windows and the 1070ti has been replaced with the 2070 already.