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> xahlee
Fuck off eceleb cancer
Why not use a minimalist window manager that doesn't tile, like MWM? Gnome is trash.
>tried xmonad today for real. Currently, 1 hour into it. Tiling windows is unusable and inefficient.
Are you fucking kidding me? How braindead can one be?
So I like TWMs but the problem he talks about is very real for me, If I want to have say 4 terminals of equal size in i3 it takes me like 2 minutes to get it right I don't even bother. Or if I want one big browser or whatever and 2 terminals vertically on the side it's super easy to do.
Are there any WMs that help solve this? I've only seriously tried i3.
It shouldn't take more than an hour to get used to a desktop environment.
I wouldn't even mind tiling wms if i could ditch modifiers completely and set my shit arbitrarily as i want. Just like autohotkey does for windows since the 90s. As it stands now, I have to move to the keyboard to get ANYTHING done. There is zero fucking reason why i couldn't just close a program by clicking a button combo on my mouse but noo, all the ass backwards keybind mechanisms in linux and even wayland force me to use modifier keys. The best part is that some even allow you to not use modifiers but that only works for ascii keys and not any input available. It's also a pain in the fucking ass to get any sort of launcher going without a proper DE so that goes down the drain too.
Seriously, kde with a top bar and a window button widget is a thousand times more productive and comfortable than any wm will ever be.
Fuck WMs and fuck suckless.
>Why not run something usable like Gnome
Gnome is just a very bloated dwm monocle mode.
>If I want to have say 4 terminals of equal size in i3 it takes me like 2 minutes to get it right
I guess you're looking for a window manager that has dynamic tiling instead of manual. dwm makes shit like this easy by just having a main window you can easily swap apps in and out of and another one where it just stacks the rest on top of each other, no unnecessarily complicated containers or binary trees.
>usable like Gnome
TWM is another thingy for jobless neets who waste time learning how to move window with incredibly complicated sequence of inputs and pretend they're doing compooters, while people actually bringing money to the home are content with moving and resizing windows with the mouse
>Why not run something usable like Gnome
How's openbox?
>If I want to have say 4 terminals of equal size in i3 it takes me like 2 minutes to get it right
You probably don't know how to use mod+v and mod+h.
I can't make your stupid tiling window managers look like windows 2000, xp, vista, 7, etc like I can for KDE or other DE.
And he uses an Apple Fag, what a surprise
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I have no idea why you need to switch to stacking mode to use them, also you need to make two different containers to do it. The first container is easy but the second one makes me want to neck myself
>something usable like Gnome
What a fucking brainlet, as expected from an emacs user.
I bet he is one of the people who unironically uses Home and End keys and never has his hands on the home row for more than 3 seconds.
>If all you do is text terminals, that's ok. But as soon as you have browser, image viewer, image editor, text/voice/video chat programs, math/scientific apps, …, each really needs its own optimal position/size. So, this means, when using a tiling-windows scheme, you either pop them into full screen, float them, or put each in a workspace, no tiling at all.
This is a valid point, but the rest is just pants-on-head retarded.
The other problem is that programs are not written for these layouts in mind so popups/notifications are usually fucked, and usually don't have the right window hints for the wm to auto-float them without lots of manual rules.
>hurrr i used barebones XMonad setup for an hour and it isn't as efficient as my setup that i came to over the past 15 years
No shit, zipperhead. Your "even more efficient" setup is easily achievable with XMonad. I use emacs with XMonad, all it takes is telling XMonad "hey, how about you forget about modifier keys when i'm in emacs (or altogether), here are some actions, here is the mapping to keys".
Invalid point. XMonad can have custom layouts, not just the retarded fib. It can also cycle through the layouts. With a bit of haskell-fu, you can convince it to use different layouts for different windows or " layers".
This shithead spends years honing his init.el, but can't be bothered to spend few hours configuring XMonad to his liking.
Try awesome.
With the default rc.lua the first layout is one main window and everything else gets vertically stacked next to it, one key command and you can increase the number of main windows to two and then you have 4 equal sized terminals (as long as the divide is 50/50). Alternatively just cycle to a ready made layout that splits the screen equally to all windows
You have no idea what you're talking about, haven't addressed a single point made, and even built a whole strawman to attack just because you were out of arguments. In short, you should go shill somewhere else, like on redd!t, where retards might believe you.
uses xml so it's shit
if something i learned all this years about Linux and his ecosystem is that theres always a solution for your problem, this weeping attitude demonstrates your lack of skill and you should go back to KDE for the better of all of us.
lol, look at them seething itt
>xahlee.info
>gnome
>doesn't even have software that could keep up with xpaint
having 4 terminals at the same time sounds specific. Have you considered saving a tmux workspace or making an i3 shortcut to auto paste your tile format? It was easy to do I just haven't done it in a while.
>I have no idea why you need to switch to stacking mode to use them
You don't.
Oh but you do
you can run whatever DE you like on top of a window manager
Ok, retard.
>esoteric set of keys you need to memorize just for the tiling-window mechanism
Remap them, yellow nigger.
>Also, standard keys such as 【Alt+F4】 are now screwed
Wrong. You can unmap any key which makes XMonad ignore it.
>More Combo keys = RSI
PTSD from being a retard, eh? Use ergonomic kb, change the mapping as you did in emacs and shut up. It's not like you're forced to have RSI-inducing map.
>Encroach on each app's keys.
So same as literally every other wm? Try alt+tab in any application in xfce. Oh, what a genius point.
>This means, you'll spend time to config each app, or diddle with the global mode key setting.
Or, you know, maybe change it once in XMonad config and never worry about it after that?
>This means hours to be spent down the road.
Says the man who got RSI customizing his emacs. A barebones config that solves all his issues takes 2 hours at most, including learning haskell.
>Completely screwing emacs's keys.
In XMonad, change modifiers, don't use modifiers, context-sensitive mapping, whatever. Solved in 2 seconds to 3 minutes.
>They, the position, size, arrangement, are artificially made to fit into a table layout
Nobody's forcing you to use such layout. Use what makes sense - my layout changes depending on what applications are in the current workspace. You can save and load arrangements so you get them exactly as you want every time you open given application, 0 screwing around with mouse.
>Much more work than is worth.
Again, said by man who got RSI customizing his init.el...
For me, spending few hours is worth never having to touch the mouse, automagically having everything arranged as soon as i open an application.
>funky sub-optimal layout
Then make a layout that's optimal for you. Not hard if you know what you want.
>Do you really need to look at ALL the windows at once?
Sometimes i do, i don't easily get to with floating wm, so i use tiling wm because it can easily do both without ugly hacks.
No, you don't, you fucking git. Just press
>mod+enter
>mod+enter
>mod+v
>mod+enter
>mod+j
>mod+v
>mod+enter
to have your four windows of equal size.
>he has good tastes
ok
Yes, the solution is to write my own fucking window manager. Nice job stating the obvious, retard.
>gesture controls
>good taste
Most people are used to managing their windows themselves, so when they switch to an automatic tiling wm like xmonad or dwm they end up fighting against it instead of letting the window manager actually do its job.
>the solution is to write my own fucking window manager.
its not do, try less hard
because gnome is made by trannies
wat? u dumb nigger?
Tiling is shit, he's completely right.
I tried Linux for a while. Tiling window managers are one of the things I actually really miss on Windows.
See Add to that your lack of reading comprehension and it's doubtful you're not clinically retarded
(You)
This article is BS for one simple reason: it doesn't give any reason, even subjective, on why tiling wms are bad and unusable in author's opinion.
As a counterargument, though: tabbing windows and ability to precisely switch to the window to the right or to the next of current is killer-features and main reason I still use i3 despite the fact I can re-create most of functionality I mostly use in KDE.
IceWM wins again. i3 and dwm on suicide watch.
are you fucking dumb?
Because why if tiling wm can do all the things I need from a wm and eat much less system resources than gnome at the same time?
Seriously, I know this is bait but what the fuck, why can a person be retarded enough to think he knows what's best for another people?
Eat shit, both you and the author of that article.
Also
> hur dur i wont learn keybindings
> proceeds to define his own arbitrary shit
Like you can't do that exactly that in any wm, hell I could use i3 as a floating wm if i liked it so much
This has to be the second worst thing I've read this month, behind that article about how moe anime is sexist.
>gnome
Is that i3? How do you get the splitting indicator to disappear after opening a new window?
the true redpill is switching to cwm
It dissapears because it's focusing the newly created window, ye
Hmm, and that's the default behaviour?
I disabled the indicator when I was creating my initial i3 config because for some reason I thought it would be displayed all the time, if that's not the case maybe I should reenable it.
this
>gnome
>usable
LMAO
>Gnome
>usable
yeah do not use gnome aka the best de, developed by actual professionals from red hat (now IBM), duh!
don't care about retards who like to torture themselves with tiling window managers, paying hundreds of dollars to mechanical shits or using terminal code editors
Using xmonad and never going back to anything else.