Why would anyone get a CS degree over a math degree?

Math is the degree you take when you can't program

Calc II and linear algebra are not real math courses. High schoolers could do those courses

Fucking this soo much. Ive had to help so many math majors because they didnt even know what a fucking for loop is.

But most mathematicians can and do program?

Good luck making more than 150k a year with only a CS degree

Theres a reason why top companies are looking for people with a double major in either CS/stats CS/math math/stats

>not an argument

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>biofags learn how to program
>physicisits learn how to program
>mathfags learn how to program
>going to school for 4 years to learn how to program

>seething

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The same goes for CS people, when it comes to math SURPRISE SURPRISE.

If you think a math major means you took calculus then you are the brainlet

Let me guess the hardest math you took was discrete II and I bet you struggled with it

>t. Brainlet who thinks cs is programming strictly

"Programing" is just a random skill any idiot can learn in a couple of months.

>CS is programming
yikes

You might land a job at some small company, make little and never get promoted. Sure, very small amount of people with no degree or unrelated degree might make it far into the industry, but it doesn't mean you will. CS degrees would always be prioritized over you

Cs majors are almost all complete spergs who suck at math. Go beat off over you're retarded javascript or electron JS projects that are bloated as fuck.

Unless your ok with settling as a code monkey math+CS is objecively better than CS by itself. Hell so is math by itself. There is nothing a CS degree offers that a person with a math degree couldnt pick up on google in an afternoon

>hello world in matlab is programming
>having python hold my hand is programming

Math and CS are both jokes stop kidding yourself. Only bio, chem, and physics really matter.

>being a sci-sheeple
financial engineering is top kino

>bio
A bio degree is 90% memorization

>There is nothing a CS degree offers that a person with a math degree couldnt pick up on google in an afternoon
If that were the case, algorithms wouldn't be written in unrealistic pseudocode and there would be mathematicians with github accounts.
I'm a CS major and I don't see how ODEs, numerical methods, and algebras are special. I literally aced my classes by reading "... for dummies"

Not him, also a math major and i bet $100 i work at a larger tech company than you

Should I learn numerical methods as CS?
Its optional at my school and looks kinda boring.

Because they like applied computer science more than applied mathematics, but most cs majors seem to be math minors IMO.

I have no idea
t. Math major with $850k pay

CS degree = job security. No matter how low you fall, pajeet will be below you. Whereas with math, there will always be some autistic fucks better than you.

Are those courses are brainlet tier

>implying the nonprogramming half of CS isnt a subset of Math

They're not and there's no reason to learn more math than that.

All*

What do you want to do post graduation? I would recommend, pretty useful

>ode, algebra, num analysis

Of those 3 only analysis can be considered hard

Take a 3rd or 4th year math course. You sound extremely ignorant right now

>implying pajeets dont primarily do CS degrees

>he thinks ode and linear algebra are hard

It really bothers me when a CS major struggles with discrete math or linear algebra and then has the audacity to say their degree is just as rigorous and hard as a math degree is

I bet most CS majors don't even take a 3rd or 4th year math course

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I know a homeless guy who was a PhD candidate in math.

He basically lives in a 24hr grocery store in the university town

Good guess I'm 2nd year. 3rd and 4th is about numerical methods for diff equations (separate), category theory, algorithms for graphics processing, statistics, etc.
Out of all those, I'd rather take two semesters of graphics processing than """"statistics"""or """"numerical methods""""
>reading comprehension
I didn't find them hard is what I'm saying, unlike seemingly most people.

drugs or what?

Networking and Distributed Systems backend stuff.
I have honestly never used any calc outside of a single machine learning class where I wrote a neural net which was 100 times crappier than some basic scikit learn shit.

So you want to make video games instead of going into big data and making big cash money? Cool bro

Maybe that's why they prioritize CS degrees for software engineering job rather than math majors. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that CS+math is better, but in soft development field, a math major will not be better than a CS major.

>big data
Boring as hell. I'd rather """make video games"" or go into operating systems/cybersecurity.

You wont need it. Primarily useful for data processing and sensory inputs

Based Ted Kaczynski was also a Math PhD, so it evens out

He seems really frail. Like young and old at the same time. He said he dropped out due to health problem. I don't think it's drugs because he looks "clean" and doesn't have any sort of drug addict mannerisms. He seems super autistic though and speaks in a very academic matter. I don't think he's bullshiting either because he seems pretty knowledgeable about the math in my major (cs)

dr kleiner btfo

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Do you know what numerics is?
There is an entire mathematical field about using computers to solve mathematical problem, I had eg. a course about solving sparse linear systems where the implementation of the Algorithms was done entirely in C.

>there's no reason to learn more math than that.
Except of course you want to solve non trivial problems or go into any industry which needs to solve those problems.
Fucking engineers need more math then that.

I'm a programmer. I need to know just enough math to apply other people's algorithms and optimise them as best as possible on real life hardware.

>I'm a programmer.
Exactly, you do a very low skill job which requires extremly little academic knowledge and only a bit of problem solving ability.

Sounds like an uneducated opinion. You wanna waste your live scratching your head bald over imaginary concepts, go ahead.

You mean code monkey

programming has more in common with writing and plumbing than math

And then everyone clapped.

You are a glorified tradesmen. Don't call others head scratchers you low IQ pleb

No, that's software engineering

There is a LARGE gap between circlejerking theory and writing C

>Sounds like an uneducated opinion.
No, you said it yourself.
You don't need to understand the math and the algorithms for your job...

>You wanna waste your live scratching your head bald over imaginary concepts, go ahead.
Okay. I could have become a welder too...

Lol acting as if you actually contribute something to the world. What are your publications?
Yes and there's demand for people who fill that gap.

SE is to CS as CS is to Math

Don't pretend mathematicians don't fill that gap themselves...

My uncle went for a math degree.
Now he's off to fight in wars to not pay child support. Don't do math kids.

as someone making more than 150k with just a CS degree, you're wrong. I know more people with liberal arts degrees than with math degrees making well into 6 figures.

Oh im saying the CS fag is on one end and Math is filling positions all over the place

> how to justify math degree

Sure that's why I'm not some mathematician. Your job is to give me an algorithm with good big O notation. My job is to make it useful and optimise it down to a good big Theta or better complexity.
Math and CS have a tiny intersection.

(Im not the guy you were just arguing with)

So does SE and CS

> working at a larger tech company

seems you're new to the industry. the size of the company doesn't indicate "better" or higher TC. you can make more money at Two Sigma than at Google/Facebook/Amazon/etc

> assumed not lying
truly an anomaly. post that w2

>So does SE
SE is literally just about memorising design patterns period.
>and CS
Yeah that's why I'm CS (+applied math).

CS is designed for the stupid people who cant handle mathematics

> big data
nice meme man. join a large tech company and write code and you'll be comfy

>Your job is to give me an algorithm with good big O notation. My job is to make it useful and optimise it down to a good big Theta or better complexity.
No, how can you optimize an algorithm you don't have the math to comprehend?
Mathematicians do the optimizing.

When it comes to university recruiting the larger companies are more competitive. Im somewhat new to the field, but my work is very interesting but Im not naming specifics.

>implying
I graduate in May. I've been a jobcel for two years now. I've been learning Spanish on the side to move to South america and live as a farmer since I can't handle the embarrassment of facing my family and telling them I don't have a job or any prospects after graduating.

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uhh, optimizations take place in code. determining what data structures and algorithms use to implement math concepts.

You sound so angry.

>don't have the math to comprehend
The math listed above for 3rd and 4th year college is more than enough.
>mathematicians do the optimising
Uhh, no?
When left on their own, mathematicians can and will use linked lists for everything. I don't even assume anymore mathfags know what RAM is.

fair enough, I'm also at one of the named large companies. Good career trajectory to start off with.

Im trying to make the point that SE is rightfully shat in by CS, and CS is rightfully shat on by Math majors

CS and applied math is baller tho

Again, how do you do that if you don't understand what is going on? It's like 0.1% of the work and any mathematician can do it...

internships, open source projects, competitions, studying with well known professors, etc
did you do anything to make yourself standout?

Hey man if you think everything should be written in C++, go ahead and waste 5 years on a browser extension.
Well what I'm trying to say is that all three are different enough to exist. A functioning company needs a team of specialists at each. You can't shit on another major because you can't do anything they do as well.

Join the Peace Corps

if it were easy, the market wouldn't be paying decent new grads 200k (99% of whom have CS degrees, without math degrees).

There's literally no data to back up your position, which is admittedly a bit ironic.

Okay send me some of the hardest algorithms you know (in pseudocode) and I'll check them out as homework.

I agree they all should exist, but CS is a proper subset of Math and SE is a proper subset of CS

>I've been learning Spanish on the side to move to South america and live as a farmer
As someone who was born and lived in south america for 30 years all I can tell you is that if that is really your plan, spicland will eat you alive my dude.

HAHAHA Yeah you fucking wish. I get that there are a few PhDs on the planet who own programmers in their pocket, but reality is mathematicians are paid to give pseudocode to actual engineers who actually produce something of value.

>(in pseudocode)
The conversion is trivial in most ofthe cases I know. Check out the IDR algorithms to solve linear systems of equations.

Okay, anything more?