What NAS or SAN hardware are you using? Where do you host it? Are there any affordable options for home use that aren't proprietary garbage full of bloatware?
I want to have my own NAS at home, but I would rather manage it myself, and it looks like the consumer grade NAS products are under powered non-standard garbage full of bloatware, and traditional enterprise-grade rack servers are about as quiet as a jet engine on take off, which is a problem if I want to run one in my living room.
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bump for interest as well
I'm planning on building a low power (save $) home server that will also serve as a NAS. Most of the home server builds that I found were way too loud, power hungry and overkill. I found that the Intel Gemini Lake chipset is both powerful and ONLY USES 10W! This is the Intel NUC chipset. I will use a software raid with HGST 4tb drives. I also want do lots of other cool things on it other than NAS so I'm going to install Ubuntu server instead of freenas which would be restrictive. In your case, this setup is powerful enough to be a HTPC and play 4K content including Netflix.
>mini-itx case with space for 4 to 5 3.5" HDDs and one SSD
>asrock j5005 mobo (includes cpu) $139
>8gb to 16gb ram
>HGST HMS5C4040ALE640 4TB drives (most reliable, but not sure after the western digital bs)
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Also I may change my HDD selection for something more economical. If the 4 on board sata ports aren't enough, I'll get a LSI 8 port sata pcie raid controller.
>traditional enterprise-grade rack servers are about as quiet as a jet engine on take off
So true! xD
>living room
why can't you just stick it in a closet somewhere?
as for os, check xigmanas out xigmanas.com
you can usually find a server or a desktop with decent specs cheap on craigslist. grab one there and throw drives at it
You can have a quiet rackmount system if you put low-TDP hardware and slower fans in it. Rosewill sells a 15-bay 4U case that takes standard ATX parts for like a hundred bucks (no hot-swap bays though, and the rails are sold separately) that does take out the option of just buying cheap datacenter surplus stuff though.
but whether you want it in a rack or not the way to get a good NAS is to just build an ordinary computer with a ton of drive bays, and put the Linux (or BSD, if you prefer) of your choice on it.
>why can't you just stick it in a closet somewhere?
I live in a small one bedroom apartment so my options are very limited
and thanks for the link, but I prefer to stay barebones with the OS. I have some sysadmin experience so I would rather use my own skills
this doesn't look bad, thanks!
>that does take out the option of just buying cheap datacenter surplus stuff though.
that was my main reason for going with server hardware
>but whether you want it in a rack or not the way to get a good NAS is to just build an ordinary computer with a ton of drive bays, and put the Linux (or BSD, if you prefer) of your choice on it.
this is the plan, but the challenge is finding the good (quiet and power efficient) hardware
Either build your own from a server pc with quiet fans or buy a prosumer/enterprise used one. You can get 4 bay terastations and linkstations on eBay for less than $100 that while arent exactly speed demons work just fine for backups and media service and are fairly robust. I just installed 4x2tb drives in mine that shipped with 4x250gb and it works with no issues other than being slow because of the hardware age.
Well a NAS is going to be mostly idle for most of its life, and pretty much any vaguely recent hardware is pretty power-efficient when its dozily ticking over at 800MHz. If you can afford to build a computer you can afford to not worry about the ten or fifteen extra watts you'll use compared to extra-low-power embedded stuff.
>buy a prosumer/enterprise used one
you probably missed the bit about substandard hardware mixed with bloatware
you are right about power consumption, but I misspoke about that. I am actually looking for a good price/performance ratio, and I don't care all that much about power consumption, as long as it doesn't draw 2000 watts 24/7
Its an opltiplex with another hard drive shoved into it. That's a temporary solution until I get the mini itx server set up inside my desktop computer case where there's more space for more drives.
I know it's a question for /stg/
How much effort/money is needed to get a small Server/NAS/PC running in bumfuckistan for torrenting?
As in, a small PC that has internet access that can be remotely controlled through teamviewer for downloading and storing terabytes of data?
I currently live in the EU but my pirate spirit is too strong to ignore but I'm too paranoid to use a VPN to do my torrenting deeds.
You won't be able to use that card on that motherboard because it doesn't have a pci-e by 8 slot.
Teamviewer is useless over a slow connection, Even more if you want to use the same connection for torrenting.so you should use something that has a cli (linux). Big effort.
>money
depends on what you have now
>effort
depends on your experience in linux
>teamviewer
you would use vnc, or cli if you go headless
Are there any good external cases with hot-swap? Adding HDDs to smallish cases is fucking cancer.
So it isn't as easy as I initially thought.
Good point. I found this.
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Also here is a guy that did a similar build.
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if you use deluge, you can run it headless on your remote server and connect to it with the desktop client. This will be a lot lighter than vnc or teamviewer and probably a lot easier to use. But this doesn't solve the other issue, which is setting up the machine. This shouldn't be too hard if you have some experience with linux
I'm learning systems integration so I need experience of this kind.
I initially thought that it would only take someting like a NAS with a regular linux kernel that I could use as a server with some minor tweaking.
In turn , I could use that server as a sort of offshore database and download hundreds of gigabytes of torrents in order to access them remotely from a country in which torrenting is frowned upon.
Basically pirate movies remotely through a sort of "VPN" (don't know the correct term) instead of paying hundreds of hard-earned moneys to stream them to a library that is tightly controlled.
It seems to be more complex than I thought, yet I'm still fascinated by the process. Care to elaborate? Did I even explain the process in an understandable way?
It's so hard finding a decent cheap rack for these enterprise servers. I just gave up and am satisfied keeping mine on the floor.
I use a similar chasis to what is shown in OPs pic. I use super micro 846 chasis (pic related - its on the bottom). I host it in my basement. I got it for $600 with dual E5-2640s and 96GB of DDR3 ram. 24 hot swappable bays via a Dell 310 card flashed to IT mode for JBOD. My old setup was a NUC with external drive, but after the drive started getting some errors, I wanted redundancy. After researching, got red pilled on the most based filesystem, ZFS. It operates best with ECC ram, so hence the enterprise hardware. It isn't silent by anymeans, but its in my basement and I can't hear it in any of the other rooms where I actually hang out. Even in the workshop where it resides, its not loud by any means - just a constant hum. If this is too much for your situation, you can replace the datacenter grade fans with silent alternatives from Noctura. Because it has dual xeons and fucktons of ram, I also run a bunch of services off it (Plex, next cloud, samba, nfs, gaming server VMs, crashplan). It's got 40TB of usable space across two zpools, and is the best purchase by far in a long time.
For anons who need a flowchart to make decisions, hope this helps.
Is it a retarded idea to directly connect your NAS to your PC?
Is torrenting frowned upon in your country?
NAS it self won't solve it, you need to buy seedbox service from another country
>no mention of proxmox under virtualization
ZFS head-unit:
SuperMicro 6017R-N3RF4+
2x Xeon E5-2650v2
24x 8GB ECC DDR3
2x Intel DC S3610 100GB
1x LSI 9302-16e
1x Intel X520-DA2
JBOD1:
Supermicro SC847 E16-RJBOD1
45x Seagate ST4000NM0033 4TB enterprise drive
JBOD2:
HGST 4U60 G1
28x Seagate ST8000NM0055 8TB enterprise drive
No? I use an SFP cable to get 10gbe from my "server". I put server in quotations because I don't use my server as an actual server at all. It's just extended storage with ZFS capabilities.
Do pic related.
That way you can access you NAS from the internet or other devices in the house, but then run iSCSI or something over the 10Gbit link so that your computer can treat it like a normal hard drive.
I really like this idea of a dual HTPC and NAS.
As long as it has enough "oompf" to run emulators for the TV, it will be on all the time for watching whenever.
J1900 on uATX, 8GB RAM, 2x500GB disks
FreeBSD with ZFS mirror
Got two of these. Both keep the same copy of data. Also got a Zyzel Nas w/Raid 5 volume that keeps a copy of data that would be time consuming/impossible to replace.
Finally got a Server 2012 R2 box w/refs volume (s) that streams media, acts as FTP server and keeps client backups.
Everything is ran from UPS
>iSCSI
just looked into it, doesn't it force you to use filesystem that your connected computer supports?
>buy 10tb external HDD
>stick it in router
>25mb/s max transfer rate
Will using a renegade 1gb as a makeshift NAS be helpful? I need to be able to stream 1080p shit to two devices at most.
Is the USB a 2.0 or 3.0? If it's 2.0; your so fucked. Be like watching paint dry trying to move any large files to it. or worse several TB in one go.
Buy a couple of these
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6Gb/s and works with SATA drives
Certainly better than that overpriced Lenovo SA120 crap
It's 3.0 nigga I'm not that retarded
nice setup
this is all very nice, but the problem with entreprise hardware is that you need a dedicated server room with soundproofing to host it, which I do not have.
I could probably have access to some old server hardware for free, but I can't really run this in my apartment
how silent is that?
looks promising, thanks for the tips, I will check this out
>you need a dedicated server room with soundproofing to host it
So host all of your data in the cloud.
And by the cloud, I mean hang all of your hard drives from the ceiling using rubber bands.
Bam. No vibration.
I was going to say (((cloud))), but the rest of your post made me laugh
and it's not as much about the hard drives making noise than the delta fans revving at 5000+ rpms when I am trying to sleep (and my neighbors too)
you only need 5000RPM delta fans because you're trying to cram so many drives into a compact space. The fans are pulling air through the tiny gaps between the drives.
If you have all of your drives in the """cloud""", or at least not right next to each other, you don't need fans.
Hang them in a grid array on plywood along the wall if you have to.
The delta fans are pretty much the standard fans you get in most rack servers, regardless of how many drives are in there. These machines are not build to be silent.
>Will using a renegade 1gb as a makeshift NAS be helpful?
Yes, 25 mbps is beyond shit tier, a fucking RPi with its "Ethernet through USB 2.0" retardation could do better. But desu if you already had the money for a 10 TB drive then you probably shouldn't waste time and effort on any shitty SBC and just buy some used shitbox that has a non-meme-tier CPU and a measurable amount of RAM.
what sort of emulators?
as far as I know most nas including the prebuilt ones with proprietary stuff support plex and/or kodi
won't that be an issue however you connect it if you do it directly?
>buy 10tb external HDD
Buying a single 10Tb hard drive sounds like a terrible idea. Drive failures happen. And when this one fails, you will lose 10TB of data. This is why any commercial nas solution has multiple drives for redundancy.
>mbps is the same as mb/s
it's just mostly kino and pornkino
aren't they variable speed though?
still, I wouldn't like losing 10Tb of porn
but if it really is throwable data, I guess it's fine, although one might ask what is even the point of storing 10Tb of throwable data
they are noisy at any speed
let's just worry about whether I can stream said kino/pornkino to two devices from my router which can write 25 mega [[[[bytes]]]] per second on it.
Using a simple synology 2 bay NAS in RAID1 as backup server. You don't really need more at home. Unless you need one for professional means, the price/performance ratio isn't just worth it on consumer grade NAS setup.
>Using a simple synology 2 bay NAS in RAID1 as backup server.
once again, shit-grade hardware, terrible software
>You don't really need more at home.
I do
Well here's the thing. Say you have a Freenas server. You create a Dataset that you wish to setup as an ISCSI target. That dataset uses ZFS as it's file system. It's presented to whatever system connects to it as just an blank unformated volume. You can format it via Windows Disk manager as NTFS just fine. Even though the underpinnings are still ZFS. So you'd gain the best of both. ZFS and it's bitrot protection. NTFS with it's ease of permissions and shadow copies. The volume you create in Disk manger can be shared/used just as any other volume locally
all the nas enclosures I've found seem to me to be way overpriced. a singly bay low end synology is around a hundred without disk, with what it is hardware wise shouldn't it realistically be priced around sixty bucks?
Look at Zyzel. I bagged a few 2 bay 320s's for $80 a few yrs ago. They got a lot of features packed under the hood. I got a 4 bay 540 unit now that acts as just a failsafe offline backup dump for core data. (still got 2 other copies)
All consumer NAS are shit grade hardware, same with your standard disks.
If you want to shell out for a quality raid controller / NAS setup with enterprise grade SAS disks you're going to easily pay up 500 dollar or more in total. At that point you are going into a professional level of investment.
So that's the point of what i'm saying, at home, as a backup system, a cheap NAS setup with 2/4 disks in mirror RAID is sufficient enough to protect your data.
I bought my 2 bay for 100 , additionally 2 disks for 50 each, so total setup cost is 200. For 100-200 you can find at least a 2 bay setup. There's no point in buying a single bay enclosure, you can just buy an external disk enclosure with disk for the same price.
>If you want to shell out for a quality raid controller / NAS setup with enterprise grade SAS disks you're going to easily pay up 500 dollar or more in total. At that point you are going into a professional level of investment.
I already know all of this. If I didn't want better performance I would have just bought some consumer shitware and I wouldn't be here asking for better solutions. I am not against using server grade hardware, and in fact I would if it were not for how noisy they are.
Got the 320's as a just in case thing. So if I needed to expand the storage or create a temp data dump volume I could cheaply.
Then you need gigabit connection, that would net ~100mb/s for large files on unencrypted hdd
Libre Computer Renegade has a gigabit port if I'm not mistaken. Do I have to get the one with more RAM tho? Is 1gb/1TB of storage not a meme?
Ok then i'd suggest a single tower server setup with an on-board raid controller and disk bay such as the proliant microserver or other equivalent:
These don't mak as much of a noise in comparison to server racks.
I'm using an HP Microserver but my storage needs are not as high as some. You can squeeze ~5 or 6 disks into it (plus USB or SD for boot)
I just thought of an idea: I could use a laptop and connect a pcie raid controller/sata controller with a mpcie to pcie adapter. But then I would need to find an affordable laptop that can support large amounts of ECC memory, but these are generally workstation laptops which aren't cheap and usually come with a graphics card that I don't need.
I didn't know about these. This might be good, thanks. Probably a lot better than my latest idea.
Raspberry pi 2 set to backup my drives nightly. Sits behind my TV.
Yep, I got two. They may be limited in bays (5) but not in drive capacity. I've seen some people cram 8TB per bay, really your only limited by budget and whatever the max address limit of SATA is. One of mine (pic above) has 5 x 6TB Raid Z2 while the other has 4TB x 5 in Raid Z1. Pretty safe to say you could cram a 14TB drive in each bay and it'd boot no problem
Dude, get either a hard RAID array or a USB hub and a pile of external drives, then just set a pi or computer with Debian to auto backup to the raid you point it at.
how much noise do they make compared to an average desktop PC?
Pulling all the data off my failing raid50 lads.
Considering building a SSD based array in a whole new server built around power efficiency.
How much process power do I really need? I'm going to do either four 512s with one in redundancy or eight 250s with two, or ten 250s with two.
You're welcome.
Also I wouldn't use a laptop for that purpose, as it's absolutely not meant to be used in this use case (you don't have any guarantee in regards to steady IO / stability / long-term performance). You're better off with dedicated storage hardware.
(I work with / build / setup Dell / HP Storage Full rack systems professionally on a dail, so already did my fair share of research in regards to storage.)
>Do I have to get the one with more RAM tho?
headless debian + smbd uses about 100MB
if that's all you need it should be enough
I got them in my basement. One runs 24/7. The other is shutdown. It keeps a copy of the first one's data. Few days ago I had both on; doing year end data sync. Anyway I could barely hear them. Saw the lights blinking letting me know all was well.
By contrast my desktop which is in the office can be heard in the living room next door when it's running full bore.
sweet. One more question, can it run debian reliably (with correct drivers etc.)? I don't feel very interested in using vendor software.
Can walk right in front of the HP and not really notice it other than the blinking lights
I know it'll run Freenas out of the box with no hangups. So I'd guess prob so.
good stuff, thanks for the tip
I'm surprised you have a total failure on raid 50, that's a heavy redundant setup, what happened?
In regards to processing power, i assume you mean in regards to CPU, a proper quad core should suffice (as you will be using SSD's now instead of HDD's the IOPS will go up quite a lot, most is handled by the controller though). I assume you're not setting up a setup with enterprise grade SSD's (as these are very expensive)?
I'm not sure what the cost will be for consumer/small professional grade NAS systems that can properly handle SSD speeds, honestly.
In regards to your RAID setup. What RAID level do you want to set up? If it's mirrored (1 or 10) you don't really need the extra hotswappable drive for redundancy (that's more for a large storage array setup), if you're going for RAID5, then i'd suggest 4+1 hs drive which you then can expand later.
No and no.
can I just get the 1gb version and load openmediavault on to it?
t.brainlet
I strongly advice against using any software RAID based setups. (correct me if i'm wrong here with Freenas). You're putting the full RAID handling load on the cpu of your system, which will bottleneck sooner than later.
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omv doesn't use much memory either, that 1gb/1TB meme comes from zfs file system, btw you will want to format your hdd to ext4 or xfs because ntfs is cpu hog that impacts transfer speeds heavily
Tow failed drives. one on each. There was only 8 drives.
Drives will be the cheapest I can find that aren't white label. I'm hoping to just use zfs instead of a proper controller.
Old pentium d with 4x1TB drives running freenas.. "it just werks"
what are the advantages of using a ""nas"" bsd based distro vs setting it up in arch linux or w.e?
seems to be you'd be missing the regular improvements in the linux kernel and ecosystem
because bsd and jails
So I'm good with the 1gb model for my use case?
and concretely?
Still, even if it's a failed drive on either side, i'd think each RAID5 would rebuild itself after replacing those 2 disks before the whole storage would be screwed?
But if it's a consumer grade NAS system, i'd advice against any RAID5 setup. Even if the manufacturer states that the NAS can handle RAID5, there are more then enough examples online of people having their whole storage wiped/destroyed because the RAID5 structure was corrupted by the NAS controller. Always go mirror on consumer grade (or RAID0 if you wan't to risk that; not as backup off course).
ZFS with SSD's in raid with power efficiency just doesn't add up i'm afraid.
If you wan't high performance disks to be handled in a CPU-based raid setup you will need to have a performant CPU which will demand more watt than you will have in advantage by taking SSD's for their low power demand.
>ubuntu
>samba
>no diy
>Suggesting shitty experience setup as a nice waste of Suggesting using an old desktop for storage pruposes, bring in the Watts
>Suggesting power rack servers for NAS purposes
>Suggesting ECC ram for NAS purposes
>Software RAID
>T. Shit Guide
I cant be bothered to buy more drives to replace them. It's on a 3ware shit controller in a chassis from 2003. ANYthing is more power efficient desu. Dual opteron 250s eat.
I'm looking at like an 8400T, so if that isn't enough, I guess I can go with a dedi raid card. Seems expensive though but I'm only looking to saturate 2gbps.
The 8400T should be enough
Like I said, buy a little physical raid rig, run it to a raspberry pi and setup automated network backup. Fuck if you have a external case and a spare drive or two that's less then $35
I have a 2T in my server that backs up files from stuff running, nothing real though.
Might shell out for a 2nd hand R710 and drop some RAM and storage in it
Thanks, I'm planning to use NAS both as a seeding device and for primary media storage for my PC since I don't want to cram HDDs into the case, I wasn't sure if local network would be fast enough for me to access.
I have an old Dell R710 with an upgraded PERC H700 SAS controller in it with 6x3TB SAS drives in 3 RAID-1 arrays. It's ample storage for archiving shit. I have an AWS S3 backup scheme running for important shit too.
I also bought another PERC H700 SAS controller for my main workstation with two 3TB RAID-1 arrays in it as well, plus a couple SSDs and a couple 3TB SATA JBOD drives. Only thing is that it takes forever for that goddamn RAID controller to boot my system. At least an additional 30sec each boot >_>
I had older gen parts lying around (z77 era) and was able to find a low tdp i5 for very cheap, but with enough pci lanes for whatever I install down the line. Case is from 2007 OEM gaming stuff from the aged family pc that no one uses, cleaned it up. Installed a second NIC and was able to get a big discount on a 5 pack of 4TB HSTG mid tier drives, setup on a raid card. Runs quiet and smooth, low power consumption and very responsive. I'm aware that most of the parts arent server grade but the load wasn't going to be massive in the house so it shouldn't be too bad. Its setup as a local cache for media/games and as a download server/general storage if anyone downloads series or whatever; using openNAS its not really hard.
I'm thinking about buying three of those raidsonic.de
To use as JBOD for ceph. Are there better products that are not jet engines?