/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

Previous thread: Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

Libreboot-compatible models:
>T60 (check lcd), X60(s/t); X200(s/t. -s requires soldering), T400(s)/500; W500.

Modern models:
>X220/X230 - 12", 768p, cheap and light
>T420/T430 - 14", 900p, widely available, socketed CPU, Coreboot-compatible (Ivy Bridge CPU support on T420), quadcore compatible, classic keyboard swap on *30 series
>T520/T530; W520/W530 - 15", 1080p, DTR, USB 3.0, 32GB RAM in W-series
>T440s/T450s - best price/performance ultraportable
>T440p/T540p; W540/1 - last models with socketed processors

Upgraded models:
>X210 - X200/X201, i5 8250U quadcore
>X62 - X61, i5 5250U
>T70 - T60, i7 7700HQ
High-res IPS displays, USB 3.0, M.2 x4, mini-DP
forum.51nb.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=117


Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>The TrackPoint™, great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

Helpful links:
>Buyers guide (newly updated):
dankpads.com/tpg/
>thinkpad-tech-tree.txt - a plaintext map of ThinkPad history:
github.com/Monkeyfume/thinkpad-tech-tree/blob/master/thinkpad-tech-tree.txt
>ThinkWiki - info on ThinkPads & running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
>BIOS logo booru:
biosimage.booru.org

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Other urls found in this thread:

ebay.com/itm/Original-9Cell-94WH-Battery-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T410-T420-T510-T520-W510-W520-SL410/253268085686?hash=item3af7f44bb6:g:akIAAOSwQ6pZi8of:sc:USPSFirstClass!05251!US!-1:rk:7:pf:0
github.com/b-ggs/x220-hackintosh.
youtube.com/watch?v=RaLMgJA1HKc
techgadgets.in/laptop/2007/06/lenovo-unveils-thinkpad-reserve-edition-to-celebrate-thinkpads-15th-aniversary/
lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/convertibles/thinkpad-x-series/ThinkPad-X1-Tablet/p/22TP2CP0112
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

lolis

you missed the last thread, faggot where were you?

busy with new years stuff
ごめん

Is it true that the X200 can only fit one (1) SSD? There's three mPCIe slots, more than an X220, but people online claim the X200 can't recognize an mSATA SSD.

Hello my dudes. I've bought TP X230 with built-in Realtek 8188CE wireless networking card, Debian distro. And the problem is that wireless card periodically losing connection, but signal strength is always OK. I've read that this wifi card have shitty power saving so I've disabled any power saving features in kernel driver, still no success. Anyone experienced this kinda stuff?

If I get an X60 would it be worth it to install bigger ram and use an external hd? I hear its easier to install libreboot with T60/X60, and I also would like the IBM logo for comfy aesthetic

You heard correctly.


On another note. Which one of you faggots won this auction?

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I have an X220, but I'm contemplating getting another X220 for redundancy and future spare parts. Am I falling for the meme too much? I mean they're only gonna be rarer, and I don't like chiclet keyboards.

That depends on your use case. Do you want/need more ram/storage? There's your answer.

I dont have an x60, but it seems like the x60 is as easy or easier than the x200 and that was pretty simple.

Yeah I mostly just want more just because.
Does anyone have experience using tails with libreboot as well?

Like have it installed, or just booting up a usb? I don't see why there would be an issue either way, essentially the same.

>Windows® 10 64-bit
>Intel® Core™ i7-4770 or AMD FX™-8310 or better
>NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960 4GB or AMD™ Radeon™ R9 280 or better
>8 GB RAM
I need something I can carry around with me that meets these specs, I dont really do anything involving laptops or think pads and I'm having a hard time comparing my options. Any help finding something fitting this discription would be great.

You disgrace us all wearing that stupid hat.

something from P series, P50/P51/P52 or maybe P1/X1 extreme

I will look into those models, thanks.

Seriously.. That escalated quickly

I have a T500, and I want to bring it up to the maximum 8GB of RAM. Thinkwiki says the stock RAM is DDR3-1066. Must I match that speed or can I use 1333 or 1600?

I remember back in Boomer Time when plenty of laptops said PC100 SDRAM and meant it, and wouldn't boot with a PC133 DIMM. Is this sort of thing still true or is that folklore by now?

uwu installing mojave on my t410

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based

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got any guides on how to do it? Never tried OSX and i have a spare T410 sitting around.

I want the business laptop equivalent of the MacBook Air. 12 hour battery life and under 3 pounds -- shouldn't be hard, since the MBA has done this consistently since 2013/Haswell... Right? Or are Thinkpads truly a meme?

wait until ive got this done all the t410 guides are outdated as fuck so not even sure it'll work once it's installed. do you have intel gpu or an nvidia one?

intel thank god, dont need another room heater.

okay cool i should be able to give you steps to follow then kek

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thanks and good luck :)

you're gonna need to setup and osx vm to make the installer usb btw desu

eh prob wont bother with it then at this time. Still thanks.

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any x230t users? wondering what the build quality is like compared to, say, an x200t. an x200t would be enough for my needs, but newer may be nicer

go x200t or 201t if for some reason you want a tablet thinkpad

>for some reason
any reason not to? an x200t would be a good upgrade over my current laptop, and the tablet part seems like an amusing gadget

Which of Lenovo docks should I buy for a quad-core W520 with either 135W or 170W power supply?
Currently I've got 4337 model, but an official Lenovo statement is that it supports only up to 90W power bricks.

Tablet versions are always worse (in every way except the screen) than the non-Tablets

Is $44 for an open box "new" 9 cell t420 battery a good price? judging by reviews of the seller, it seems to be genuine

hmm, maybe i’d be better off with an x200 then or something

>any reason not to?
It's pretty much the same situation as getting a raspberry pi, if you get one and already know what you'd like to do with it then it's all good, otherwise it'll be a waste.
That being said, i love my X61 Tablet.

found the libtard XD
how do you like the T410?
I bought this one a couple weeks ago:
ebay.com/itm/Original-9Cell-94WH-Battery-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T410-T420-T510-T520-W510-W520-SL410/253268085686?hash=item3af7f44bb6:g:akIAAOSwQ6pZi8of:sc:USPSFirstClass!05251!US!-1:rk:7:pf:0
it was at 100% capacity

uwu just upgraded from 4gb ram, peak comfy. What panel should i get for my x220 current is trash

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>ebay.com/itm/Original-9Cell-94WH-Battery-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T410-T420-T510-T520-W510-W520-SL410/253268085686?hash=item3af7f44bb6:g:akIAAOSwQ6pZi8of:sc:USPSFirstClass!05251!US!-1:rk:7:pf:0
it was an actual oem from lenovo? not a """"genuine""""? I tried contacting this seller last week but they haven't responded. Maybe it's cuz of the new year but that still doesn't sit well with me

its okay not really used it though. I got it for free as water damaged and planned to sell it after fixing it but cant bring myself to sell it kek. Definately prefere my x220 but that might just be because it actually has a battery

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wut? u can install mojave on x220?

yeah it works perfectly ill find the guide i used because it didnt work well from the first guide I followed github.com/b-ggs/x220-hackintosh. If you have 4gb ram or less youll get some grpahical issues but nothing too major. That also occures in high sierra

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Seems legit to me, it looks exactly like my old battery, same branding.
I wish I could find free computers

call up local computer repair stores and ask if they have any that you could get cheap that are broken. I had to call about 15 stores but one had one and they let me have it for free

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end your life you disgusting nip

I wish, but I don't think there are 2 computer repair stores within a 2hr driving distance from me, much less 15. I have is a Goodwill in the town 30min away, that's it.

you realise nip means japanese right?

ah that sucks desu

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Why is the x220 the popular meme around here? I have a w550s that I'm pretty happy with, but I like the idea of having a smaller, /comfy/, ThinkPad that I can upgrade.
Also how does the upgrading work?
>Can I just pop in the extra ssd I have lying around?
>Can I add a better cpu? What would that do to temps?

w540 without the nvidia card here
Is it possible to use the thunderbolt for an eGPU ?

I'm assuming he's a nip or chink because most whites I know don't have that sort of taste
>Jow Forums

are you new here desu?

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>Why is the x220 the popular meme around here?
because it's a cheap 12" T420 with an IPS screen option
>Can I just pop in the extra ssd I have lying around?
sqt-tier question
>Can I add a better cpu?
no because the x220 cpu is BGA and you need PGA like the t420
>What would that do to temps?
sqt-tier question

based
cringe

compatible with 7mm 2.5" SATA; can't upgrade the CPU without a multi-thousand-dollar reballing station and skill

I got 100 amazon euros to spend on my t430.
Whut to get

ram and a nip keyboard desu

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if you have 4GB of RAM or less then get an 8GB kit, otherwise get a 500GB SSD.
people online are saying it's possible but, as much as I hate to say this, ask Jow Forumsthinkpad, they have more people into that kind of shit

why are you still using Stinkpads /tpg/?
youtube.com/watch?v=RaLMgJA1HKc

>ask Jow Forumsthinkpad
No thx...
I just find the integrated intel not good enough for vaapi hwdec, I'm pretty sure i can't add the k1100m (like on the version which had it). I would still prefer to do the nvidia upgrade if it was possible.

fuck you, I missed you

>that video
Lenovo did it first: techgadgets.in/laptop/2007/06/lenovo-unveils-thinkpad-reserve-edition-to-celebrate-thinkpads-15th-aniversary/

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guy in my area selling an x200 9 cell for $85 CAD
no HDD and 4gb ram, ive got an 8gb or 4gb ddr3 stick i can add. How is the battery life on these things? I would use it almost exclusively on campus.

6-7 hours at most, less if the battery is worn down, which it probably is; it's a reasonable price, though

Gee whiz, thanks mister

3:2 display ThinkPad when?

so im in the market for a new laptop, was thinking of getting the galago pro till I found this listing

lot of 5 Lenovo ThinkPad T440S slim ultrabooks, duaL Batteries, All have Backlit keyboards, Webcams and HD+ 1600x900 IPS Screens, i5 4th gen / 4GB / 250GB 7200RPM configuration.

price is 1400 (cad)

think I should get it? id give one to my mom, one to my girlfriend keep one for me and try to sell 2

lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/convertibles/thinkpad-x-series/ThinkPad-X1-Tablet/p/22TP2CP0112

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almost 300 each with only 4gb ram and a 250gb hdd? each of those laptops are going to require more upgrades to be usable so factor in extra pricing

don't be a such a sore loser, faggot

its usable for me, I guess what your saying is I wont be able to sell any of them?

if it's usable for you, sure. but I don't know if you're going to be able to pull any kind of profit off of it. hell, according to the buyer's guide in OP, a t440S at the highest price fully specced out should only be 220USD or ~300CAD.

Someone stop me from trading my X230 for a X201t

To be more specific 3:2 Thinkpad T/X series LAPTOP when? not some tablet bullshit

I have never not had wireless problems on Debian, one of many reasons I ditched it years ago.

16:9 is superior to anything, it offers more horizontal working space.

X series X250 and up should fit your needs once the OS is configured properly.
Remember to set up TLP if you're on Linux.

processor speed difference
stop

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>#libsownedwithfactsnlogic

Do you guys know at what temperatures an x61 should operate at? mine idles at 50°, and stays at 65° while browsing Jow Forums and it feels like it shouldn't be that hot, and I want to know if there's something wrong with it. It has a T7300 btw.

Sounds like it could use a repaste.
They run hot, but not that hot.

Also, if you want to reduce heat further, flash middleton BIOS (IIRC) and install a newer wifi card, the one it ships with is a little furnace.

Is there a real difference between paste brands? because I actually changed it like a month ago, but I used some random cheap one.

There is, but frankly I know jack and shit about paste. I just go with Arctic MX-4 because it's what I've used for years. HP OEM paste seems decent, too.

My X61t idles at around 50c but i use it with the fan turned off, then the fan turns on at 60c and then turns off again when the temperature goes down to 50c and so on.
Also is right, i'm using a cheap broadcom wlan card from a nuc.

Also, be sure to apply a minimal amount of whatever you use, the idea behind paste is to fill the voids between the metal to metal contact of the die and the HSF Assembly, not be an insulating layer between them.

If I install Arch on my thinkpad, do I automatically gain a frumpy beard and several hundred pounds?

No, I am a slighty chubby fellow with a kempt non-neck beard.

clean your keyboards, buddehs

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looking to add a 13.3" screen to my x220 and trim my bezel for it to fit after seeing the nb51 x320/330's

where should i start?

You receive a permanent +2 to intelligence and -5 in charisma.

Nice hat, faggot.

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it's usually the same hardware except for some different parts (hinges, battery in the x230 for example) wtf r u saying.

yes, but options are rather expensive I would just use the express card thingy, the adapter is called EXP GDC and it's like 35 bucks shipped.

sell w540 and buy another one in that case.

The main difference is the screen, and all the other differences are compromises. I have used an X41T and an X230T (the first and the last X-series-derived tablets) ... and yes, they are worse than the regular models. The tablets tend to be larger and heavier, and they tend to have a smaller battery. The one-piece hinge design also sucks dick, and to be honest the tablet features (read: the main selling point of the device) aren't very useful anyway; the digitizers suck compared to any wacom or competent drawing tablet, and in the case of the X41T the around-screen buttons were a bitch to get working in Linux.

I would never buy any XxxT or XxxxT again. I don't recommend anyone buy one with intentions to daily it.

Is the L-series ever worth buying?

No

>Why yes, I do use an X200 as my daily driver. How did you know?

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