>CS student
>get into conversation with some other student
>he says he has to study 24/7 but is managing perfect grades
>was quite impressed, asked him what he studies
>tells me "medicine"
>mfw
>wonder if he was being serious about his degree being hard
>turns out he was
>instantly lose respect for him
I assume there's a few medicine students on here, so I'm actually curious. Do you guys actually think your degree is difficult or are you at the stage where you realize anyone could do it?
Are you retarded or just stupid?
Medicine is literally raw memorization. There is no critical thinking or problem solving whatsoever.
Nursing is literally more intellectually stimulating
t. "med" student
Actual doctor here, shit’s not that hard but people are fucking retarded. I changed from engineering because it was too easy. Medicine is all about memory, engineering requieres more lateral thinking.
reminder that meta reverse shitposting is still shitposting
>Math student
>get into conversation with some other student
>he says he has to study 24/7 but is managing perfect grades
>was quite impressed, asked him what he studies
>tells me "compsci"
>mfw
>wonder if he was being serious about his degree being hard
>turns out he was
>instantly lose respect for him
I assume there's a few CS students on here, so I'm actually curious. Do you guys actually think your degree is difficult or are you at the stage where you realize anyone could do it?
his old thread didn't even 404 yet
fucking stop replying
>arguing about which has the longest degree difficulty penis
This was cool in the 00s, is it still a thing?
Penises are always cool, user.
>there is no critical thinking or problem solving when you invent new medicine
holy fucking shit
Only if you're a faggot.
what is the point of making the same thread over and over again?
>implying doctors invent new medicine and not scientists
>same thread
learn to read
>biochemists are classified as doctors
>There is no critical thinking or problem solving whatsoever.
Weak bait.
As a CS student I think CS is probably the easiest shit you can do, the amount of braindead people that gets great grades is astonishing.
Doesnt this mean he has to study more?
Critical thinking shit is easy because you can just use the basic concepts learned and deduct a logical conclusion. For memorization you kinda have to study and remember shit with no reasoning or anything. Its much harder
whats so critical thinking in cs?
you dont INVENT a new prog lang everytime you try to write few lines of code on something that it took someone else YEARS to invent
you are using his shit a different way you are essentially being confined by him
meanwhile a doctor that covers a wide range of professions doesnt a have a blueprint to work in order to give you a more powerfull and efficient medicine
only if they have a PhD, and that's not the same as being a medical doctor.
I love kids who believe compsci is hard, or that they will ever get a job with it.
but I already did, you fucking boomer
remember that shitposting is idiomatic to all of 4ch*./*/
Depends on your univ and on your standards.
>don't study at all
>work 30 hours a week
>graduate with a 3.4 and work experience
>actually am more valuable
>80k salary in a shithole so buying power up the ass
CS is a meme
are you banned from /sci/ or something?
I studied medicine and it was a complete joke. Then again I also studied CS and it was also very easy (nowhere near as much though, and some courses required actual effort).
There are different types of intelligence. All are required in the society.
>all are required
>the society
>different kinds of intelligence
Wow get a load of this guy, bet momma told you all that too huh big guy?
When you grow up I bet you wanna be an astronaut right big fella?
I've watched every episode of House so I'm basically a med student and its easy as fuck
autist
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I'm in my final year and nobody knows anything. Half of them have trouble installing IntelliJ, much less writing anything. Nobody knows any CS theory.
But we'll all get a degree anyway. They'll get hired, then promoted to upper management. I'll commit suicide. Such is CS.
*sips* ahhh mathematics, now THAT was devree
If you had IQ more than 80, you'd understand that I meant that both people with great memory and great problem-solving skills are required in the society and it is obvious that different people have different preferences to how apply their intelligence. Both medicine and CS students can earn a shit ton with just their minds.
Protip: If you aren't being run ragged in a CS program it's fucking worthless
Now go code malloc from scratch without linking anything except stdio
a medical doctor doesn't create medicine and, yes, chemists do have frameworks for creating medicine.
Computers are an extension of our memory. The ability to recite some chemical recipe on the spot has become obsolete.
lateral thinking?
>There is no critical thinking or problem solving whatsoever.
>in medicine
>no critical thinking
you realize that prescriptions and tests are blueprints of what the doctor must do, but if it fails then the critical thinking must arise because IT COULD SAVE YOUR FUCKING LIFE. That's how you separate the general practitioner from the true "medicine man".
Also, I hope a robot with critical thinking save your life when you get a heart attack for being so fat, user.
That is more difficult than memorizing lists and items and then repeating them.
maybe collateral?
>mfw med student
there are many reasons why i chose to become md, but not many give me more satisfaction than constantly getting reminded how other people envy my field. no offense, but i've seen your books. i've had more literature for electoral classes than you did on whole year. you are to me same as illiterate person is to you
have fun being replaced by an AI then
>CS
>hard
>CS students are so smart someone without actually having the CS degree can do the job just as well as someone with one
I mean that goes for pretty much every field except very specific ones that require hands on mentorship. The only reason so many things are gatekept is because of the formerly prevalent dogma of "ALL KNOWLEDGE IS ONLY OBTAINABLE FROM A FOUR YEAR UNIVERSITY NOTHING ELSE"
Now we have more and more people self-teaching and demonstrating knowledge through personal projects, competency-based universities like WGU on the up and up, and generally more people opting for alternate paths. Going to a 4 year university for anything other than some very specific fields (medicine, for example) is pretty much pointless in this day and ave.
>i've had more literature for electoral classes than you did on whole year
C O P E
first of all, you certainly had more books in electorial classes than i did in whole undergrad (math)
but here's the difference between our worlds: you couldn't pass a single class after reading them, i could pass any theoretical course you have, at any level
so could anyone who's not entirely retarded and knows how to memorize shit
my sister (now a resident) couldn't understand even meme-tier undergrad anal (Tao) - even the first proof she couldn't figure out without help
doctors are generally pretty retarded when it comes to abstraction
programming is to CS as wrench is to MEng
Yeah sure, tell me when a graduate from WGU gets a job at Facebook.
so... the same thread but in reverse?
kool
Don't know about WGU in particular but there are competency-based alumni that work at Google and Microsoft. As long as it's accredited no company is gonna give a shit. Plus could always do most of it through a competency based university then transfer to a normal university for a semester. Virtually no reason to go to a four year school in the current year
They only got there after 10 years of experience working at other low paying companies, and they'll start at the same level as new graduates.
[Citation needed]
Even if that's true, literally just do most of your credits at a competency based university and transfer to a normal one for a semester.
CS degrees are the bottom of the barrel, the absolute brainlet proof majors. If you actually have any trouble with it you are never going to make it into anything.
>programming is to CS as wrench is to MEng
Well, don't worry, memegineers also have trouble with proofs by induction.
Good luck getting any decent university to accept you, and good luck getting any internships while you're at Devry.
I just now realized you're fucking with me
>proofs by induction
The only people that don't have problems with this in my experience are mathemagicians, computer "scientists", computer faggots and physishits
University in general is brainlet proof now. Standards have been lowered across the board.
As an analogy, a programming language is like a box of legos. Knowing how to stick legos into eachother is not the hard part of building a complex structure of legos. Figuring out how to arrange them in such a way to achieve the desired object is the hard part.
Programming languages are almost all Turing complete and can all do the same thing. They are really not that interesting. Some make it easier to do certain common tasks for certain domains. In the end, if you want to build anything beyond following the steps of some tutorial, you need to be able to reason abstractly.
If you want to build really good software, you need really good abstract reasoning skills and a lot of experience. You can't simply get there from memorizing a bunch of flash cards.
just did it last semester my nigga
Anyone that cares a bit can learn induction in a day, and then practice. CS majors claim that their courses are difficult because of "proofs" which are mostly discrete math, but the easiest of it. Yes CS as an academic field is not easy, but there's a reason why the best computer scientists studied something else.
All critical thinking is just memorization of patterns and matching them, aka recollecting it when it's unnecessary. Constructing new ideas is literally nothing more than combining known patterns, or rather breaking down bigger unknown patterns into recognizable ones. There's your "understanding" right there. That's why all the natural sciences are "discovered", because the patterns come from observed phenomena in the natural world. It's not critically thought of, it's pattern matching based on what we saw in nature.
The east asians figured it out, and iirc they're taught to "master" a subject before moving onto the next step, aka drill it into their brain so hard they don't forget it. I guess some pajeets too, mostly in the west though. Which is why even in American schools almost all the STEM classes and R&D is almost all asian of some variety and like some east europeans but mostly of an older generation. Scientists have studied learning for a long time and the only consistent advice is that holding things in memory is key to learning. I don't know who sold white people the "don't memorize be creative" meme but you're being sabotaged.
If you want to become a genius start memorizing. The most efficient is spaced interval learning
>Anyone that cares a bit can learn induction in a day
In the most direct use, yes.
But proof by induction in algebraic topo isn't as braindead and most people would probably not even recognize induction on commutative diagram even if they knew what both abstractions were.
>CS majors claim that their courses are difficult because of "proofs" which are mostly discrete math
Most of my CS friends had difficulty with proofs in their diffy course. And i can imagine some proofs there can be difficult when you have approximately 0 knowledge of functional anal.
I hate Jow Forums so much, it might be more retarded than /v/
>implying this is hard with an underlying kernel
>Math student
>Any job I want
>300k starting
He's not. You just don't realize how the real world works, probably because you're underaged as fuck.
I work for IBM
One of the reasons Watson for the medical field has been slow going is because it ended up being harder than we thought.
The reason watson for anything at all is useless is because you people are incompetent fools. The only thing you manage to do is make companies that adopt watson go to us - a bumfuck nowhere nobody startup - for a product that actually works. Because you sell by lying out your ass about every single aspect of the product which doesn't even remotely work in the first place. Medical is the least of your problems. Inbred fucks the lot of you.
Wow you're a moron.
>mfw I'm going to be a doctor in 1.5 years but I don't really know what I'm doing but everyone likes me and thinks I'm doing okay
Everyone here gets butthurt too easily
>Everyone here gets butthurt too easily
it's really annoying too seeing people shit on other people like they are somehow better.
You are dumb.
omegalul
are you fucking retarded? Other than some liberal-arts shit, CS is pretty much one of the easiest degrees you could get.
Have another (you), quality bait
look at all those wrinkles
I get my md in a year lol. Nah man shit can get hard sometimes. I don't know how you are comparing an undergraduate degree to a doctorate that requires more competitive credentials. You won't get into med school with less than a 3.6 science gpa.
Just did a first aid cert for my job. There was a med student doing it with us. Idiot got three questions wrong on the written test. I got one wrong and I'm in construction. Question. Are all med students fucking retards?
based and 300k pilled
>Some Fag CS Student tries medicine
>Old lady comes in having a heart attack.
>CS Student tries turning her Off and On again
ex-IBMer here. This
>Pure Mathematics major
>$300k starting salary
kek, where was the original thread, sci?
>some kid comes in with a broken leg
>CSfag: works on my machine
Medicine isn't pattern recognition though. It's list memorization
>this medicine does this
>that medicine does that
Etc. Unless you're a specialist or surgeon, your medical degree means nothing more than you being a salesman for pharmaceuticals.
I'm in software and I didn't even touch a CS book in college. And I'm on my way to being a millionaire by the time you get your first real paycheck with $300k in debt and your 20s past you. How does that feel?
>some fag med student tries cs
>computer is running hot
>identifies a fever
>pours water and tea on the computer and stuffs pills into every available port
wow med students sure are dumb huh
mostly true. cs students are also semi-retarded, so is probably right, based, and 40k pilled
Docotrs dont invent new medicine they write prescriptions for oxy when the pill pusher cuts them a bribe check
the average doctor in the US is nothing more than a pajeet/kike who has a license to operate as a drug dealer.
I failed biology, decided to study CS, easiest degree of my life.
Preach
Nice cope
>mfw this thread
t. radiation oncologist
OP if you haven't realized, CS is easy ass baby shit and medicine is way harder. I admire the work ethic of your friend. t. Computer Engineering
Well this is wrong. You can get by without it to a degree but there's a lot of problem solving in good medical diagnosis. It's not math but it's more work than computer "science". That being said, my friends that did medicine were subjected to a large amount of political brain washing typical of the liberal arts