I have a doubt about this. Now i'm using Ubuntu, but i'm here thinking i need more challenging and the question is: Arch vs Ubuntu vs Debian? i'm thinking of use Arch because have more challenge.
Arch is a good choice or i need to migrate to Debian first?
>thinking i need more challenging Linux From Scratch is your answer
Ryan Fisher
I felt the same way. Arch can be a bit of a bitch tho. Try Debian (or Devuan if you're not sºy) and go from there. I ended up settling on Xubuntu for now. I can tell.
Blake Turner
>I need a more challenging operating system lmao
Brayden Parker
>Arch vs Ubuntu vs Debian They are all the same systemd garbage, install gentoo(or void).
Joseph Bailey
Unironically gentoo
Evan Parker
how do you actually install void? In all my installs the bootloader fails to install
Ryan Rogers
Yup, i was thinking and i have studied LFS
Dylan Miller
Ubuntu is a fine distro if you are new and want everything to look userfriendly. It becomes a hurdle when you get more advanced user because of the PPAs, old packages, and various issues. The worst thing is huge noise when you look for help made by all the newbies that don't know what they are doing. Debian is best for server. You can use for desktop but it shares some downsides from Ubuntu and has even worse repo. Arch on the other hand has some significant entry threshold, but it is one of the best distros out there if you know what you are doing. It's rolling release so you always have newest packages and repo+AUR is huge. You can even find configs, nitche tools, proprietary software(no cracks) or games like DOOM there(no resource pack). You don't have to install anything manually and you can easily change any part of your system.
If you want challenge(aka learn new things) go for Arch. Pro tip: it's not as hard as people say. All it requires you is to RTFM. And the Arch wiki is great, making troubleshooting way easier than on Ubuntu or Debian.
John Torres
Install Slackware
Charles Brooks
Thanks you have convinced me. I have decided i'll go use Arch
Hunter Smith
Arch isn’t a challenge to install. Lol. If you’re new to Linux use Ubuntu and work your way up so you don’t break anything
Gavin Brooks
>In all my installs the bootloader fails to install Install it yourself then
Jordan Johnson
> Arch because more challenge that's debian i use arch btw
Joseph Cook
Slackware
Elijah Sanchez
Ubuntu 18.10 minimal install is nice and just werks.
Some extra work for removing bloatware is required though, but it is less work than *installing* everything in Arch.
William Lewis
When using Ubuntu, several programs I used (dbeaver, vscode) needed to be downloaded and installed without a package manager. Arch has those in official repos/AUR. In that sense, Ubuntu is more challenging than Arch.
Brayden Price
Get good with Debian first, then move to Arch if you want a greater challenge.
Cameron Fisher
>i need more challenging >i need to migrate to Debian first? No. You don't need to migrate to Debian first. Installing Arch first time needs some time, but then it's very "easy" to use. You will learn a lot. Arch is rolling-release, lightweight and very customizable. In my opinion the better distro for desktop usage.
anything other than ubuntu are for fags just get something that works who cares about muh bloat as long as you don't obsess and get hard over using a borderline malfunctioning junk
Logan James
stick with ubuntu unless you want to fix artificial problems.
David Garcia
>Ubuntu is a fine distro if you are new and want everything to look userfriendly. It becomes a hurdle when you get more advanced user because of the PPAs, old packages, and various issues. The worst thing is huge noise when you look for help made by all the newbies that don't know what they are doing. if you're a regular user - or even a poweruser - you will never have this problems. also, if you run into a problem in 9/10 cases you'll find a valid solution within five minutes of looking into it.
Jace Jackson
What about manjaro
>inb4 brainlet
Josiah Richardson
Both are botnets. Go gentoo or Slackware.
Cooper Martinez
>needed to be downloaded and installed without a package manager Both of them have instructions on how to add their PPA repository, found with 5 second googling How is that a challenge? dbeaver.io/download/ code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux
Angel Barnes
>What about manjaro I used Manjaro with xfce for a month and it worked flawlessly, however as it installs everything for you, you will barely understand anything about how stuff works. I installed arch yesterday (not hard at all if you aren't a brainlet and willing to learn) and from the install alone I feel 2x more knowledgeable compared to using Manjaro for a month. I'll be installing i3 and everything today so I can further optimize my shit posting capabilities.
tl;dr install arch if you actually wanna learn something
Eli Turner
Mount root before boot
Nolan Martinez
I had these problems. I wanted to install node and it was so outdated I couldn't run anything I wrote. I wanted youtube-dl and it was so outdated it just didn't worked at all because youtube changed something on their backend. A lot of software requires custom PPAs too. Also IIRC node binary is called nodejs which broke all my shebangs. Of course you can fix all of these by looking 5min at google, but it's just tiring when I have to open browser to install any software. It just feels like using Windows.
It's not a deal breaker, but it's not as comfy as AUR. Especially when you want to build something from source.
Isaiah Foster
Fair enough
James Sanchez
Arch is easier than every other distro
Jackson Carter
Is not for the challenge to install. I looking a challenge to personalize my own distro.
Cameron Collins
that's i'm looking. My own customization.
Thomas Phillips
I have decided to training install Arch in VM and after i'll format a new HD.
Connor Morgan
This.It's why I love it.
Liam Reyes
all 3 are good choices, depends on what you want
with debian, you get stable packages, and need to spend a little more time on configuration with ubuntu, you get stable packages, and it works out of the box. you are not forced to learn about system management (although, of course, you can) with arch, you get very fresh packages, which means you will experience bugs with updates more often. this still will probably not be very much. you will need to learn about system management to install the system
Jacob Scott
if you are using your machine for real work, you shouldn't use a rolling release distro. If you need up to date packages, better learn to compile or use a VM.
Using a rolling release distro is more work to keep it going.
Parker Barnes
Rolling release is not a good production environment, that's for sure. But if you know what you are doing rolling release can save so much time on development environment. It can take some maintenance but less than compiling and using VMs anyway.