POWER9

So all linux distros support POWER?

Intel and AMD don't provide the option to disable the ME/PSP hardware backdoor nor provide an open source firmware option, so as far as I'm concerned x86/x86-64 can just die already. POWER9 is actually the best performing processor available anyway.

ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/linuxonibm/liaam/liaamdistros.htm

because my preorder hasn't shipped yet

windows lacks POWER architecture support

I doubt anyone who would buy this is stupid enough to run Windows.

>can't install Windows
I need my SubtitleEdit and MS Office macros to work. Also
>1175 bucks
>heat sink still sold separately

The Linux kernel supports POWER9, and if there aren't binaries for some distributions then you should be able to compile them for POWER9 (major distros should come with precompiled binaries for POWER9 too). BSDs also support POWER9.

>I need garbage programs because I'm a baby duck
Take a hike.

Good riddance

>subtitleEdit
>garbage program
Fuck you too

>The Linux kernel
Thank you, "the anonymous poster". Thank you for clarifying that you were referring to the kernel called Linux and not the detergent. That was very necessary in this context. I almost put my Power9 motherboard in the washing machine.

Based and POWERpilled

No, only the big server distros are available. Redhat, Debian, Ubuntu, and Suse.

and gentoo!

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People on g are stupid enough, but most don't have the spare money to buy this. Usually the dunb ones buy a rasp pi and realize afrerwards it's not going to seve them any use. That's only $35 in the hole.

Windows 10 runs on Raspberry Pi though.

What's the point? Windows 10 on a 32bit arm chip with very little ram. I can't think of a worse computing environment. So are applications going to need x86 emulation then? Hahaha, that would be painful to watch.

but I am, user

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Should I bait the company where I work to buy some POWER9 stuff? Is there anything useful I could do it? Could I for example run an Oracle db on Debian with it?

Since IBM is buying Redhat, POWER9 is likely to get even better Linux support.

It's meant for servers sobit looks like it has goid linux support. No, you're not going to be able to use every distro out there but the big mainstream ones support it.

I don't see why not.

Yes. Show them this:
youtube.com/watch?v=aDw-HkEPdJo

too expensive

>it's too expensive goy, buy the hardware backdoored Intel/AMD instead

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Or buy a cheaper arm based small board computer. This is server hardware you're looking at

but isn't arm and power9 way different in terms of freedom and architecture?

I understand it can't run x86, but can it virtualize it? I don't really understand ring -1, virtualization, or architecture but you guys seem knowledgeable.

>can it virtualize it?
No, but it can emulate it. Same way you could emulate a POWER9 processor on your amd64 desktop

>POWER9 is actually the best performing processor available anyway.

Really? So this is as fast a 16-core Threadripper, that cost about the same? Color me skeptical.

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Can I use a AMD GPU with amdgpu driver? How about Nvidia's binary driver?

AMD does, Intel doesn't, get your shit straight at least when shilling faggot.

Can you run Plan9 on POWER9?

>AMD does
Source?

Yes

Definitely on the AMD GPU, it's configurable on the site to ship with a Radeon Pro. Not sure about Nvidia though

The closest comparable POWER9 is the 18-core/72-thread CPU which outperforms Intel/AMD on anything that doesn't require vector operations. POWER9 doesn't support as high a throughput on vector operations as Intel/AMD so this is expected. However it's not a big deal because vector operations is what the GPU can be used for and this will utterly destroy Intel/AMD anyway, so it's debatable whether the Intel/AMD advantage with vector operations over POWER9 even matters. See:
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=power9-talos-2&num=1
Basically everywhere that POWER9 underperforms is on tasks that rely heavily on vector operations (where Intel also outperforms AMD). On all other types of tasks POWER9 is the clear winner.

what type of performance loss does that equate to? I assume x86 emulation isn't all that developed

The 18 core Power9 system is much more expensive than a 16 core Threadripper + mobo. Raptor Computing systems wants $1425 for the 18 core Power9, plus the cheapest board that can use it is another $1129. Price wise that ends up more expensive than a 32 core Threadripper + motherboard.

I chose the 16-core Threadripper for comparison since its price with motherboard is pretty much the same as the combo deal with the 4-core Power9 at the start of the thread. And on those benchmarks you posted, the 16 core Epyc was easily faster than the dual 4 core Power9 in all but three tests; I imagine the higher clocked Threadripper would beat a single 4 core Power9 in everything.

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>I wonder if someone made it into a laptop

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It should be mentioned in the article the other user posted, the benchmarks were done using software optimized for x86, not Power9. This is the reason why epyc and xeon floored power. Granted, these are still synthetic and not based on real life performance, but it'd be interesting to see how the architecture performs when a computer is set up to use it properly.

At the same time, I don't think comparison is all too fair. I think a more fair comparison would be something like the the 8 core power9 cpu vs the 16 core threadripper when they were both newly released. With the motherboard, they're roughly the same price.

Thought the same.

>Why aren't you running a system without hardware backdoors or binary blobs

Call me a brainlet, but wouldn't it be hard to use that thing with a GPU, given that the proprietary drivers are probably not available for POWER, and the open source ones kinda suck?

Doesn't even run Windows
What a piece of garbage

*Windows can't even run on it
And yes, Windows is a piece of garbage due to this (not just this, but this is a factor)

not a pedo or terrorist, why would I buy that overpriced garbage with no games

ARM is cucked just as badly as x86.

Total garbage. Emulation is in the absolute best case, usually around 10% performance of native.
Just compile your shit for POWER architecture and run natively. Most things on the *nix platform work now.

One step at a time, bro.

You're glowing.

You could just google it. phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option

ASRockAB350M Pro4, for example, can disable PSP. It was in the news back then. AFAIK it's not a complete disable, but it works.

gnu is not an operating system.

that's what I thought about the performance. thanks for clearing it up, I guess its a better time than ever to finally install gentoo
thanks user

>ASRockAB350M Pro4, for example, can disable PSP. It was in the news back then. AFAIK it's not a complete disable, but it works.
The BIOS/UEFI is still non-free and controls everything on the system.

I'm on your side but I don't think that's what he was getting at. Just because you specify that by Linux you mean the literal kernel doesn't mean you're some pants-on-head retarded freetard pretending GAHNOO wouldn't be DOA without Linux

True. But user only asked for source on AMD PSP disable.

>You're glowing
no like I said I'm just not a pedo or terrorist. for now the big boys still don't give a shit about my warez and 18+ porn. the only legit reason to get one of these are
>working in a sensitive sector with trade secrets
>journalist in a shit tier country with no press freedom
>terrorist or pedo
>server autism/schizo/delusion (eg terry davis)
I'll let you pick in which category most posters in this thread are

> >journalist in a shit tier country with no press freedom
It won't save them from getting executed.

Last time i checked power does not have the primatives needed for std::atomic i.e. memory fence etc.

horrible. architectural emulation is always several orders of magnitude less efficient than hardware that natively supports it.

I wonder if anyone'll integrate x86 compatibility on a POWER die like Lemote has with MIPS

Because they didn't ship it yet.

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>x86
Why?

The state will always try to creep control. If you don't do anything to stop it today, then tomorrow it will be worse. Right now it's not a huge deal since the US government isn't exactly running gulags, but you're a damn fool to think it can never happen. Further, having people in wealthy and free countries develop these kinds of platforms are a boon to those suffering under oppressive control now, since they could never produce the technology themselves.
Plant in the spring to harvest in the summer. Support open architectures free of binary blobs.

how much additional $$$ are you going to drop on your build?
Maxing out RAM?
What kind of SSD?
RAID HDD's?

That's an expensive toy user.

>no backdoors
Just use retro hardware you worthless zoomer.

Not planed yet. That's something i think about when i get the message that it's shipped. I'll most likely start small with only one 32GB RAM stick and a SATA SSD because to be honest it's and i'm not yet sure if I'll use it as a desktop, homeserver or if i should colocate it somewhere. Maybe I'll ask the /v/ermins at /pcbg/ for the lulz.

That's cool.
Let us know how awesome it is when you get it set up.

Yeah, just use outdated dead-end technology instead of supporting the companies trying to make freedom respecting hardware and enjoy still being stuck with your early 2010s chip twenty years from now.

Debian, Ubuntu, RHEL, Suse, Gentoo, FreeBSD.

You can use at least some workstation level cards with POWER9.

>AFAIK it's not a complete disable, but it works.
>not a complete disable
>it works

muh gaymes and proprietary softwares I assume

His point is the kernel supports POWER9-specific hardware interfaces and other stuff (think inline assembly) and can be built for POWER9. There's more than changing the compiler target architecture when it comes to compiling a kernel for another platform.

There's a quite straightforward compilation scheme from C11 atomics to POWER9. In fact up until recently (with the ARMv8 revision) POWER9 was 1 out of 3 architectures for which you could say this (the others being x86-TSO and SPARC-TSO).

But there also exists a large family of operating systems based on the Linux kernel which are also collectively commonly referred to as "Linux" .

>RISC
>weak memory consistency
>transactional memory
>freedom
I just wish it was cheaper.

I already am
Fuck x86

You mean Android and ChromeOS?

Can you enlighten me on the backdoor, please? I actually have no idea of what it consists of, I know it exists.

Both Intel and AMD chips have an always-on internet-connected component that is meant for remote administration. Seems innocuous (to be able to power on a server without physical access is useful), but nobody really knows what those components are doing.

Oh and you can't just turn them off on any CPUs made in the last decade. At least on the Intel side, trying to do so will put the system into a boot loop where it will reboot every 30 minutes.

This. If Intel/AMD at least released the source code for the firmware or provided the option to configure the system to run your own then it wouldn't be a problem.

Because it can't run any of the software I use.
Backdoors are a meme for paranoid schizos.
Don't bother replying

>$1000 quad core on a shit arch
what kind of actual cuck do you have to be to buy shit like this

>Not mITX

My point is that gnu is not an operating system.

>buy Incel backdoored housefires goyim

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>>weak memory consistency
Explain. I know what weak consistency is, but it doesn't seem like a feature you'd advertise. I was pretty sure x86 had a weakly consistent memory access model.

For QEMU acceleration when emulating an x86 machine. You know, to run x86 software.