It's a Jow Forums meme. Don't get me wrong, Gentoo is great but too impractical for daily use. Trust me, you'll regret it. What takes 1 minute to install on a normal OS takes 1 hour to emerge on Gentoo. Gentoo's superior compile times because it's tailored for your setup are a meme as well. Gentoo doesn't compile faster than other distros, it's actually slower depending on the package and when it's faster the difference is barely noticeable (we're talking about seconds).
I know there are a lot of unexperienced lurkers on this board that would like to try it out because >muh cool but it's an impractical distro for 99% of you. The other 1% is composed of Linux hobbyists with a lot of freetime and shitposters that have it installed on external drive or dual boot with an actual OS and only boot it to take screenshoots.
If you want to try out Linux go for one of the most supported distros (e.g. Ubuntu) and ignore the freetards. Linux is already limited enough, you don't want to complicate your life further and waste hours of your time to achieve the most basic stuff.
Gentoo is a meme? Well yeah whole Linux is a meme.. it is nothing more than a compiler. Gentoo is just whole another level of stupidity...
Jack Jones
Don't listen to satan
God uses gentoo
Hudson Thomas
You aren't fooling anyone, Satan.
Michael Powell
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
I've used Gentoo for work for about two years now. Today I'm moving on.
Gentoo is amazing, but it's true that it is impractical for daily use. Gentoo could also have been done better. You can set up a build server which saves binaries for you and all, but it's a major hassle for most users.
Some times you just need to install something quickly. You do not want to compile chromium. Ever.
Dear god.
Dominic Parker
I never understand people who make a big stink about this.
Some people call Windows "PC" even though all personal computers are PC, regardless of whether or not they run Windows, but people know what you mean when you say it.
When you say Linux, people know what you mean.
Why include GNU in the title, but not include the Window manager or the desktop, or the distro? Why not say Debian/KDE/GNU/Linux? What is the distinction for what software in the stack to call out in the name? Don't people put just as much work into writing the full KDE desktop stack as the GNU portions? Or maintaining all the packages for the entire Debian repository?
We also can't assume that everyone running Linux actually runs GNU. The big hitters from the GNU project are glibc/gcc/binutils/gdb. These all have alternatives that some people run. GNU also aimed to be a full OS, but never really produced a proper Herd kernel.
The Linux kernel is approaching 25 million lines of code. It is a fucking huge project. Aside from gcc, most the GNU tools aren't in the same scope. Now gcc is massive (15 million lines of code) but we're basically arguing the compiler is on the same level as the kernel itself, and I don't frankly feel that is true or accurate.
It is Richard Stallman personally who started the crusade that we need to always call it GNU/Linux because he wanted more personal credit and acclaim. This is the same Stallman who routinely makes sexist comments, attacks Mozilla, attacks Google, attacks IBM, etc. He is constantly tanking the perception of open source software as much as he contributed to it. Stallman promotes an ideal of open source software and wrote a little code way back in the day.
Linux got named after Linus at the insistence of others (not his own personal ego) because he wrote the entire thing himself initially, and he has worked on it full time for decades to maintain it.
The only thing I've had take more than 5 minutes on my i7-8750H was chromium. That took around 10 hours. Everything else takes right around the same time as any other distro, or so slightly longer that it doesn't matter. The stability of every package being built specifically for my exact system, with only the features I want is worth the extra time.
Julian Nguyen
>quad core corelet
Noah Wilson
oh... so: MAKEOPTS="-j9" in your /etc/portage/make.conf
Yeah... Had a feeling he'd end up being a corelet using a 2015 cpu.
Ethan Jackson
>chromium took around 10 hours pic related
I had configured everything to the best. I have OCD when it comes to settings. And I've used Gentoo for 4 months. It's simply a meme, not worth it for daily use.
Use jumb-build if you have enough RAM. Decreases merge time to 1 hour from 5 on my 7700.
Christopher Brown
You should install MacOS and a broomstick up your ass, and get an iFag
Gavin Johnson
And you're nothing more than a niggerfaggot
Daniel Sullivan
It's only impractical if you wanna "stay up to date"... Which is why ricing is easily associated with it
Jack Flores
Checked, but no fucking shit. Always do the opposite of what Jow Forums says. That's why I fuck girls (female) and use Windows to make money at my real job doing actually useful things.
No shit? I've got 32GB of 2666MHz DDR4. Got talked into a gaming laptop while I was in a best buy to try some of the laptops hands-on after I sold my '14 mba and needed a new laptop. Between the $150 gift card I had from xmas, the laptop being on sale, and the cash in my pocket, I only had to pay sales tax (6%) for i7-8750H, 32GB DDR4, 6GB 1060, 1TB ssd, 1TB hdd, and 144Hz 1080p IPS. Funny thing is, I don't play vidya so the first thing I did was torch w10 and install Gentoo, not I've never tried jumb-build.
Asher Turner
> I never understand people who make a big stink about this. I never understand people who keep repeating on the stupid little mistakes that keep the world being shit > When you say Linux, people know what you mean. It's always a misunderstanding > Why include GNU in the title, (...) gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html > We also can't assume that everyone running Linux actually runs GNU. See link above > The Linux kernel is approaching 25 million lines of code. 24 million lines of fuckery that could be cut off for the sake of staying slick and reliable, Linus couldn't audit all the idiotic lines but pretty sure he'd cut it off as well if he did > It is Richard Stallman personally who started the crusade (...) He'll attack everything nonfree, for obvious reasons. > Linux got named after Linus at the insistence of others (not his own personal ego) (...) Keep believing that, "Open Source" nigger
Nolan Bennett
damn i never thought of it like that before
Wyatt White
>thinking Gentoo is about Source compilation
hello newfag
fyi the reason Gentoo is used by eg Google is that it is the only distro on the plAnet that makes everything work as expected if setup properly. Also emerge is the safest packAge manager from all. Also i havent had a Single package that took longer than 20 minutes to compile and you can just let compile in background so where is the prob
Dominic Jenkins
based underrated
Aiden Scott
Just eat food prepared outside of your home every time
Joseph Roberts
Made a typo, it's jumbo-build. Yeah it's surprisingly good. It concatenates 100 or so source files together, which results in up to 20x faster compilation just because there's less compiler startup overhead.
Aaron Fisher
Alpine Linux does not use GNU.
Lincoln Sullivan
If it's absolutely certain, then it doesn't need GNU on it, so the title fits.
Hudson Collins
Yes OP is right. Install Linux from Scratch + own package manager.
Adrian Scott
Or Portage to it, or SourceMage instead
Jaxon Diaz
whether you enjoy gentoo is reliant on whether you are interested in operating systems. it's pretty simple really.
John Gonzalez
>Gentoo is great but too impractical for daily use. For me, it has been fine for almost 15 years now.
> What takes 1 minute to install on a normal OS takes 1 hour to emerge on Gentoo. ALL my 1339 packages together took 14:40 to extract, compile and install [maybe downloading the sauce packages is also included, not 100% sure].
Without the outliers that took over 30 minutes, it's 10:12. So, the average package extracts, compiles and installs in a little over a minute, on a Ryzen 2400G, with Ofast for the compiler (one of the most taxing quasi-standard compiler settings) and PORTAGE_NICENESS="15" (meaning anything else running on the machine was generally taking precedence over the compiles). Not even using ccache or distcc or icecream or anything, it's just standard clang and gcc.
Nathaniel Roberts
You can be purely interested in the user space "the software you want to run" and like Gentoo.
Most of what Gentoo deals with is giving a hand with managing that software in more detail.
Brandon Harris
I don't doubt that could be the case but in general someone like that will prefer arch or w/e
Isaac Russell
uninstall 2 packages, dammit
Gabriel Gray
>Also i havent had a Single package that took longer than 20 minutes to compile let me tell you about qtwebengine, libreoffice,
David Wilson
I was about to list llvm/clang, rust and webkit but in the process I found that they have vastly improved their compile times over what they used to be
Zachary Powell
Op here, forget everything I said. I changed my mind and I'm in fact switching to gentoo again once I have some free time. Thank you, guys!
Grayson Perez
It's certainly not always the best imaginable solution.
But if you have an even relatively slight motivation why it would be efficient to use Gentoo [you want to use that one package in an old version and not slide into dependency hell, you want that patch applied, you want some server daemon regularly updated into your system if it compiles, ...], it might very easily be a good solution.
It's not only if you have an "interest in OS", it's just making certain things pretty easy and the "expense" of the extra hardware required to handle the compiles isn't all that big.
OPs right. If you want an advanced distro, just use Arch. It's unironically faster than some of the beginner distros (eg Debian, Manjaro, Mint etc), and it doesn't take forever to stay up to date.
Oliver Peterson
Even a 17 year old machine can run it if you don't go full retard
I use Gentoo and think it's great but this is an optimistic view of the average Jow Forums user, or even the average Linux user. You have a lot of control over your OS and access to obscure packages but portage asks the user a lot of questions about how they want their system to be and _most_ linux users don't want that level of control.
debian is a meme, it's just a heavily customizable (_)ubuntu with less support
Joseph Rodriguez
I use debian every day at work. It's stable as a rock as long as you aren't a dipshit enabling all the testing repos.
Daniel Green
>Discord >Chrome >SystemD Kill yourself, kevin
Luke Rivera
>ubuntu is just debian testing with customization Amazing discovery!
Connor Allen
lol too long didn't read If you have an actual point to make instead of a cope/diss, feel free to share a summary
Caleb Bennett
>calling manjaro a beginner distro Okay you got me
Noah Johnson
that shit comes sellotaped to the front of noob linux magazines dude
Gavin Garcia
i didnt install gentoo ever and i never di-
Camden King
so because some noobs use it, it's a bad distro? Come on dude, can't this be said about *any* popular distro? If something is well documented, noobs find a way.
Arch also has a bunch of power/advanced users.
Julian Wright
Arch doesn't give a shit about the opinions of users if they aren't developers, unlike other distros like debian Arch doesn't split packages which means loads of unnecessary bloat Arch uses a kernel that has everything enabled, even more than debian/ubuntu. The opposite of minimalism. Arch is only really minimalist about the developers doing the absolutely minimal work necessary to get packages running. Arch has less official packages than other distros. Arch is the opposite of user freedom, only the default configuration is supported and lots of things break if you e.g. don't want systemd. "The Arch Way" is a meme by the community. The Arch installation isn't unique and you could install any other distro like that if you wanted to Arch doesn't have much package testing and doesn't support downgrading to old versions, so if something breaks you have to wait for the fix
Jacob Myers
>and doesn't support downgrading to old versions everything except this is right, you can downgrade packages just fine and it's often recommended when something breaks.
Lucas Hall
LITERALLY EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ALREADY also install gentoo
Bentley Wood
>unlike other distros like debian
Yea Debian sure is great for getting rid of a package because it had the word "boob" in it.
Nolan Bell
Hadn't thought of that. But it would feel a bit forced.
> portage asks the user a lot of questions about how they want their system to be I think it averages about 2-3 USE flag or blockers a month for me, and I think I have more packages than most people will likely have.
Apart from that, --autounmask-write will eliminate >90% of these [and accepting that behaviour is virtually emulating leaving the same type of decision to the maintainers on a binary distro].
But yes, if you need none of Gentoo's capabilities (even the very thing you just mentioned: Getting the choice between actually mutually exclusive features or program versions), of course it's just something extra you might not want to deal with.
>Arch uses a kernel that has everything enabled, even more than debian/ubuntu. The opposite of minimalism. Bad argument. Real Arch power users build their own kernel. >Arch doesn't give a shit about the opinions of users if they aren't developers, unlike other distros like debian So? >Arch doesn't split packages which means loads of unnecessary bloat False >Arch has less official packages than other distros. What is the AUR? >The Arch installation isn't unique and you could install any other distro like that if you wanted to This is a ridiculous >Arch doesn't have much package testing and doesn't support downgrading to old versions, so if something breaks you have to wait for the fix False. You can downgrade to previous versions.
Thanks for confirming most Arch critics are just coping.
Mason Evans
>Real Arch power users build their own kernel. literally nobody does that and it's not supported >So? no "so", it's just an objective fact >False true, Arch *doesn't* split packages >What is the AUR? unofficial packages >This is a ridiculous not really >False. You can downgrade to previous versions. tru
Isaiah Reyes
it never needs gnu on it
Luis Wood
>thinks nobody builds in their own kernel in arch Yikes. It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know basic stuff about the distro.
Parker Young
You realize that this: was written by one of the Arch devs, right?
>Arch doesn't split packages which means loads of unnecessary bloat >False lel
>What is the AUR? Something worse than third party repos of *buntu or gentoo overlays. Enjoy having to read those scripts by completely random people because you can't trust them not to contain malicious shit. And having to compile just like you would on gentoo anyways, but without any of the benefits of portage
>The Arch installation isn't unique and you could install any other distro like that if you wanted to >This is a ridiculous What is debstrap?
Xavier Thomas
i want a distro that runs on ppc, arm, mips, alpha, sparc, m68k, and superh, that also has a package manager that compiles everything
Jackson Smith
But Windows is trash. You should never do something just because Jow Forums says to do it, because Jow Forums doesn't know shit and is full of bad opinions that come from people echoing bad opinions that came from echoing bad opinions that once upon a time came from echoing good opinions. But "use linux" is one of the few genuine OG good opinions.
Luke Roberts
you being an absolute autist about building your own kernel doesn't mean everyone else has the same autism.
