/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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Linux is just a kernel.

In a VM where it can't do harm.

>unironically recommending flash
the heck is wrong with you
install gentoo

I've been using Linux for around ten years now. Not in any expert kind of way. But I've used it for school, development and so on.

Home, I've always used Windows, since I like playing video games. What's more, Linux never really impressed me when it came to having a good desktop experience.
So a week ago or so, I installed Manjaro with KDE. I've been using i3 and tiling window manages before, XFCE, Gnome and some cinnamon.
It just struck me: this is so much better than anything I've ever felt or used with windows. The desktop is consistent and not a frankenstein tablet/desktop monstrosity. It's fast. pretty to look at, and it has everything.
This is catching on more and more. I see more and more people using Linux that I simply would not expect to use Linux. Installing it is no longer a living hell and even graphics drivers work out of the box. I could literally pull up Tomb Raider straight out of the box.

So what happens now, Jow Forums? Linux has been enjoying security through being a small demographic as far as the low-end day-to-day user goes. What now when more and more people use it?

Are we prepared for the exploits?

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

> Are we prepared
No
> Do we care
No

It will never be a normalfag system. If anything will join Windows and macOS, then it's sonlme shit by Google like Fuchsia

>GNU plus Linux
Linux

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GNU/Linux*

How to extract assets from .swf on lignux? There's a game made in Stencyl, launched with exe file but data is in .swf, I want to extract soundtrack specifically

GNU+Linux*

Post example pic please.

Try Gnash

>What now when more and more people use it?
That's just not the case. I personally believe it would be a good thing if you were right, but you're not.
store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
GNU/Linux is sitting at 0.82% and while it does change we're talking +0.05% monthly changes.

If GNU/Linux where to become popular and gain something like 10% of the desktop/laptop market then more people would be wanting to write exploits and things like that for it, that's true. But there would also be a lot more companies looking to write commercial software for it and that would be a good thing. While closed source software offerings isn't it would mean that more companies get in the position of Valve: If MESA has a bug preventing your game from running then you'll probably want to fix that. If WINE can't run the games you have that are made for Windows then you'll probably want to improve that part. These things do benefit everyone - including those who never bought a single piece of commercial software ever.

Well, that's steam and home computers, but the internet nearly exclusively runs GNU/Linux and that's where people want to break in - nobody cares about Mr. nobody's gaming rig (except the NSA maybe).

oh, you mean servers. well, we've had attacks on that front for years and years now. First thing I do with a new box is to change the ssh port from 22 to a four digit port since port 22 will be attacked continuously. You'll also find a metric ton of requests for various WordPress exploits and other CMS systems on port 80. Not that many on 443, guess a lot of bots can't do https.

Linux has owned that market for so long that I doubt anything will change one way or the other.

It really is quite bad, btw. One reason I absolutely hate customers who use WordPress, as one of the worse examples, is that any WP installation will attract a lot of bots trying to post spam comments or use outdated exploits so server load is high and 99.9% of the traffic is garbage.

> linux
> security through small demographic
It runs the internet infrastructure, stock markets, banking, air and train traffic control, self driving cars, logistics and accounting systems and the backup servers with companies' business secrets.

You think your or user's porn viewing gaymen machine is making it a notably bigger target? No.

Why do people quote something, leave out half the sentence which gives it meaning, and then attack that alone?

Imagine being that autistic.

The rest of the post doesn't make it more meaningful or change anything about the nonsensical accusation of security through obscurity (it isn't, it's the biggest target out there and security comes from investigation and many fixes).

Feel free to quote though.

Maybe the part where it references low end consumers and not the maintainers of server hardware might set the context?

Irrelevant since the argument I raised is that far higher value targets [representing national economies worth of cash and many lives] using Linux were already out there for years.

It is simply not a matter of security by obscurity.

I have a directory with a couple personal scripts. Is it safe to just add the directory to the front of the PATH (I wanted to use one script with "edit" which conflicts with some mailcap thing I never use)? I've read some opinion that it's not good but it sounds like nonsense to me.
>In particular, from a safety point of view, it is dangerous to add paths to the front, because if someone can gain write access to your ~/opt/bin, they can put, for example, a different ls in there
If somebody has write access to ~/whatever-directory, isn't it quite likely that they have write access to whole ~ and could just replace some aliases or just the PATH itself (for my user)?

Is putting PATH = ... in ~/.profile the proper way of doing that?

Also, I don't get what mailcap is actually supposed to do. Isn't its functionality pretty similar to xdg-utils? It seems that xdg-utils are newer but mailcap has 3 distinct actions that are all reduced to xdg-open: view, see, edit.

I use ~/bin for my scripts, because that is already in $PATH.
For systemd unit files and stuff I don't want to have in any PATH folders, I make a symbolic link from ~/MyFolder/MyService -> /etc/systemd/system/MyService.service

>I have a directory with a couple personal scripts. Is it safe to just add the directory to the front of the PATH (I wanted to use one script with "edit" which conflicts with some mailcap thing I never use)? I've read some opinion that it's not good but it sounds like nonsense to me.
It's not good cause you might now use it but some program you use can make use of it, and modifying it would break that program.

> isn't it quite likely that they have write access to whole ~ and could just replace some aliases or just the PATH itself (for my user)?
Yeah that's something I always found pretty much retarded. On a server related point of view ,that is bad, cause it might impact other parts of the system instead of just that user. Desktop related, if someone have access to ~, he already got access to all your personal files and you're fucked up. Unless he is looking for admin rights so he can use your machine in another way.
I personally add ~/.bin to my path and put all my scripts here.

You can just add them to PATH, sure.

> If somebody has write access to ~/whatever-directory, isn't it quite likely that they have write access to whole ~ and could just replace some aliases or just the PATH itself (for my user)?
Yep. Well, firejail / containerize [or go full SELinux & friends] what you don't trust much anyhow, then maybe it does not have access.

> Is putting PATH = ... in ~/.profile the proper way of doing that?
I personally only have it in .zshrc, the non-interactive shells don't need it.

I know this is a friendly thread, but.... I bet you don't have any friends.

I now imagine your friends were so thin-skinned they quit being friends with you when you dared to point out a flaw in their premises. Or you are.

Either way, that's not how it works with normal people. And Linux is well-tested, it doesn't really matter that you're not running it on "server" hardware.

>muh kernel

>I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in
>that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the
>point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.
>Linus

What's his problem?

I keep getting this error when I try and install CloverOS

Anyone know how to fix?

This error

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don't know if this is bait or not, but if you're really interested in the answer:
Linus has previously said that he considers security flaws just like any other bug, they're nothing special to him. He is annoyed that "Security Researchers" demand special attention when they find an issue, because to him it's just another bug that needs to be fixed.

to quote the master himself:
>Some security people have scoffed at me when I say that security problems are primarily "just bugs".
>
>Those security people are f*cking morons.
lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html

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>install a bunch of dependencies (having to compile 2 of em) and a build system suite ive never heard of to compile sway
>tells me "lol fuck you install nouveau" when it's all done and I try to start it up

how about write that down in the fucking readme or somewhere i'll find it before i've gone through half an hour of work you fucking clowns

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What is the real advantage of using slackware/arch? I feel like using them just to get a grasp of the thing, but I don't see how I can gain so much in performance or stability from a more mainstream distro

>f*cking
What mental illness is this?
Why would you censor youself like that?

arch is the easiest distro i've used

I don't understand the slash, those distros are completely different.

friendly thread f*ggot

either you are calling Linus mentally ill, or you didn't realize I quoted his email. I didn't censor anything.
Ask him directly on the mailing list if you're curious why he writes like that.

Do compositors still impact video games ?
I remember few years ago it was actually a problem.

My web browser (icecat)doesn't display foreign languages properly anymore, like Greek/Georgian/Japanese.
What software do I need to install to fix this? I don't remember what I uninstalled that made it riperoni.

Hard to tell, maybe you just uninstalled the corresponding fonts?

install noto fonts

Do mother company spy on me when I use thier linux? aka RedHat spy on Fedora, whoever-own-suse-now spy on OpenSuse.
Canonical don't shy on this.

Is there linux I don't get spy on?

Thanks senpai, but it doesn't display correctly, even with it.
Could it be something else?

Is there a way to verify the system integrity on Linux. I'm not talking about verifying package integrity with md5 hashes. But rather the integrity of the kernel, and other parts like drivers, to ensure there are no backdoors.

How to I completely get rid of every single thing, config file of LAMP. I was working on one web page and fked MariaDB to the point I do not know, what exactly I did wrong.
I have already tried to uninstall and again reinstall the LAMP packages but problem still persists. I work on Fedora

Hey guys I've used manjaro many times and it always breaks when updating after a while without updates (so in big upgrades essentially), I heard openSUSE is more stable but afaik it doesn't have pacman which is a big annoyance since I want to use some packages and can't be assed to compile them myself, are there any other distros stable enough and with access to pacman other than manjaro?

Mint 19.1 is pretty neat but there's something that's driving me mad.
I use Opera (don't laugh) and when opening new windows / moving tabs from one window to the other either Cinnamon freezes or Opera itself will crash.
It's the same on my desktop with a Nvidia GPU and laptop with an Intel IGP.
Anyone else having this issue, any ideas what might be causing it?

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Stability slightly decreases, simply because rolling release/bleeding edge software tends to be buggy. (see: systemd 240, with its numerous bugs)

The main advantage of something like Arch is that the packages are more-or-less straight from upstream. So, rather than getting the Debian/*buntu-patched package with all of its particular problems, any problems that you have with a program are likely going to be the program's fault. Thus, handling those problems is more straightforward: report errors to the creator(s) or other users, see their responses to changing config files or internally fixing code, and then potentially wait a couple of days until a bugfix is merged upstream so that it appears in the repository.

>uses a rolling release distro
>doesn't regularly update his system

literally why

try arch
manjaro is just a broken version of arch

Is it possible to make a non-looped GIF/webm consisting of two frames via terminal, so it can be automated?

Just use CentOS or something like that if you want "stable"

Fuck installing that desu, if I was installing it on my PC it'd be fine but it's for someone who has no idea on how to linux

then try antergos

So gwenview is awful, what am I supposed to use to view the pics of mai waifu?

Please describe your specific waifu viewing needs.

I'm getting some aliasing for some reason on Manjaro KDE

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Getting back into dual booting and I want to have an os agnostic encrypted data partition. what are my options?
Follow up question: why does trying to boot from my usb drive send me back into grub on my hard drive?

Alright, I made it a new years resolution that I'm gonna break away from Pajeet's designated shitting software and go full Wildebeest/LuniCross, but I still cannot fully commit because I suck dick and got no spine to speak of. So, I will pay anyone 5 bucks to come here and drive a mattock through my Win10 SSD drive. Or just give very convincing arguments to stop postponing.

Is better to use XFS or stick to Ext4?

Hi everyone.
I used "wget -i urls.txt" to download a bunch of images. Since it downloaded one image at a time, I planned to sort them by creation date to have them in the same order as in the file urls.txt.
However, it turns out that the notion of creation date is not part of Unix files metadata...
Is there a way to make wget download them again, by prefixing a number to the filename ? (-O option lets you rename the entire filename, so it won't work)

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Both are very robust filesystems.

does anyone know how to config bspwm so that if I opened 4 terminals with super + enter all 4 would be the same size?

literally anything else will have toggleable anti-aliasing for zoomed images

--no-use-server-timestamps ?

ls -t will sort files by the last modified date. Which in linux is usually the same as the creation date unless you've modified the file.

Some dumb tools like cp do not preserve the file metadata by default.

Cinnamon can be buggy desu; try disabling all graphical effects in Cinnamon and disabling hardware acceleration.
If that doesn't work, try running XFCE and see if it handles the issue better.

in xfce how do you tell it to open whisker menu using key and thunar with +E without opening whisker menu too ?

that sounds like a really easy problem to solve with a short script
something like
i=0
for url in $(cat urls.txt)
do
fname=$(basename "$url")
wget "$url"
mv "$fname" "${i}_${fname}
(( i++ ))
done

What is the most polished linux distro? Ubuntu 18.04 breaks constantly. Sometimes the gnome dock icons will randomly double or triple themselves. I need something that /justwerks/ for school.

For me - it is OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE.
Had zero issues.

Why does lightdm require wayland

because your distro compiles it with wayland support enabled

the trackpad on my debian laptop is fucked and starts being erratic after a few hours. putting the laptop in sleep then waking it seems to solve the problem until it happens again.

how can i diagnose and fix this?

What kernel is everyone running
>4.20 starting to seem a little slow, wondering if the meme was true

I find distributions weird regarding stability. I think one distro can be very stable for someone, and not that stable for someone else. Give debian / devuan a try.

If I'm using a 2010 era laptop that's struggling with the modern web, particularly youtube, is there'a specific browser I could use to speed things up/trim some fat to make websites run a bit better?

it's probably not the kernel
i use 4.19 btw

youtube is slower because modern video codecs are not hardware accelerated on older cpus. see if they play ok through mpv

Any brainlet guide to compilation database?
I want to have auto completion with emacs company mode and irony mode and a compilation database seems necessary

>it's probably not the kernel
But it is, more spectre/meltdown "patches" were added in 4.20

dnf install texlive-scheme-full
>Install 3680 packages
What the fuck.

Since someone brought up Wayland:
If I use i3 and amd GPU, is there any reason I shouldn't just start using wayland+sway now?

>wanna try this linux thing
>install opensuse
>300+ updates on start
>click on update notification but nothing happen
>google how to update
>time for nvidia drivers
>spend too much time installing official nvidia
>time to throw away nouveau
>google it
>spend too much time ridding off this shit
>time to install some software
>install
>program not responding

OK fck this; I'm deleting this autistic shit

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this but with "is there any reason I should start using wayland"

Dont install a bleeding edge distro for someone who doesnt know what they are doing
Using Manjaro is basically the same thing as using Arch

screen tearing i think

its more likely that your problem is actually gnome itself than ubuntu