/hpg/ - Headphone General

>veiled
>no sound stage
>no imaging
then saying
>not fully open like sennheiser
>HD 600

you cant hear the soundstage over the treble rape

There is no treble rape to my ears.

because you are now deaf

But I only had them for a few days.

What are the oldest headphones you are still using right now, and how are they doing?

I have an Audiotechnica M50 from 2011, the leather of the headband has torn up but the earcups are still ok

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I had some sennys from 2012. the earpads are pretty ripped up. I could order new ones but...

>HD58X shits on DT880 and K702
Even the shittiest senns run circles around akg and beyer trash.

I might actually since I really like them and the earpads are cheap. and maybe do some repairs on them hopefully that will work.

this is something beyerfags just can comprehend

reminder all headphones sound great

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It's personal preference. The 58x has the least treble out of all of them so that's the youtuber's preference. The k702 run's in circles around the 58x in terms of sound stage, imaging could be iffy though. DT 880 is more neutral and be better for a gaming headphone than the 58x with it's soundstage and imaging which aren't really represent able in the sound demo. K702 is the larger sound stage though.

Got a pair of Sony WH-CH700N on sale at Amazon over the holidays for $90, normally $198, just for use on flights. However, trying to test them out at home playing "airplane cabin noise" on my computer and the noise cancelling seems to barely reduce the noise. Not sure if I was just expecting more or if these headphones are actually just bad at NC. Anyone used or have these and can chime in? Maybe their other mid-tier pair, the Sony - H900N are better?

the only actually good ANC sony does is on the most expensive model, 1000xm. rtings.com shows the data on isolation levels of various headphones, most ANC are crap, if you can't spend $300+ buy IEMs

the hd58x is the most natural sounding in the video. The k702 is unlistenable very compressed sounds and the dt880 is just fucking awful. If you seriously think the dt880 is the most neutral sounding, there is something fucking wrong with you

Yet I feel absolutely no pang of regrets doing this after years of it gathering dust and being unused.

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the knife to the driver represents your ears on beyerdynamic

It is supposed to be. The HD 58x has more elevated bass. I do agree the 58x sounds the best though. But I might double take it in real life.

More like beyerstatic lmao

I started dailying my LNS from 1995 and they still look pretty sharp

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it also has the flattest frequency response of all of them

The 1000xm and bose qc 32 ii are both painful for my eardrums. wirecutter had the same issue:
thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-noise-cancelling-headphones/
>Unfortunately, both the QC35 II and the WH-1000XM3 produce a phenomenon we call “eardrum suck” because it produces the same uncomfortable, sometimes painful feeling you get when riding an express elevator to the top of a very tall building.

Does good ANC exist without this issue? I have tinnitus and the Bose ANC seems to aggravate that as well

I guess that what you get with ANC, you need a good seal for it to work properly.

flattest raw sure? but the hd600 is the most neutral based on standard curves

how old are you?

Sennheiser 280pro. Prolly about 5 years old. I gave them to my mom and she loves them. Wish I could get them back.

the hd600 has midrange shout that the hd58x doesnt have. The 58x sounds more natural than the 600

20

>ZMF aren’t for nigge-

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it doesn't, have you actually heard speakers IRL? they sound shouty because 3k is loud af IRL

no wonder they sound worse than KSC75

>Does good ANC exist without this issue?
I don't even know what it means to have that issue because I'm fine with the QC35 anc.
I somewhat pay more attention to my tinitus when I have ANC on and no music playing on but that's because of silence itself.
If ANC doesn't work for you and the very few highly passively isolating headphones (like the HD 380 pro) don't cut it for you, the only thing left is ear dildos. Ear dildos can be used in combination with earmuffs put on top while wearing them which should block an ungodly amount of noise, probably better than ANC can do.

>anons think their opinion is worth shit despite never hearing speakers in a good room
lol

Yeah, in a poorly treated room. The midrange shout in the hd600 is not natural sounding

I have, and can confirm they are worse than ksc75

>1995
>20
what

That's a great looking setup, doesn't like it aged at all

maybe it sounds shouty because you're a filthy headphone only audiophile, come back when you've got some experience, kiddo

I’ve heard multi-grand setups in rooms worth more than your entire net worth and KSC75 sound better.

tuning down that upper mid shit is the single best decision they have made in the HD800 tuning.

I have, and I have also corrected my headphones to the Harman response. I don't get why people would think it would either sound like all bass no treble or some unnatural response when it sounds extremely natural like im listening to properly dsp room corrected speakers. But some user will start to shit post that we all hear differently even though the Harman response proves that false

this, the hd600 isn't shouty it just sounds like complete trash. i can see why someone would prefer speakers over subpar headphones like that

youtube.com/watch?v=jyRwhSXgSr0

this nigga is legit

>we all hear differently even though the Harman response proves that false
have you not seen a single one of those charts posted how people hear differently or do you just look away every time they are?

There is some thing wrong with your ears if you think shouty mids sound good, it basically simulates hearing damage

>But some user will start to shit post that we all hear differently even though the Harman response proves that false

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No we don't hear differently the harman response sounds bad to everyone but deaf people, figures since it was made by jews

the differences are mostly at 3k, some people have a stronger response there

>he has yuri in the thumbnail
I did not notice this.

>I don't get why people would think it would either sound like all bass no treble or some unnatural response
because it does

>anime in thumbnail
lol i ain't giving him a view

I bought them second hand
thanks

>we all hear differently even though the Harman response proves that false

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what about how different genders, races, time of day, origin of country, etc affect what you prefer or how you hear?

This explains why Harmantardons are all numales

>not being a white male from america at night

Harman response proves you wrong. You can sit a huge group of people down and give them a headphone that has shouty midrange or nasty peaks around 6khz-10khz them correct it to the Harmon response, most if not all will prefer the Harman correction.

every single user of this website is though

see where are my curves for each gender?

>you can give people ebola or aids and most if not all will prefer the aids
Gee boss how’d you figure?

Harman studies are to audio science what alchemy was to chemistry. It's not a real science and it's not a valid alternative to audiofoolery, if anything it's another flavor of foolery, just one that excites the budgetctivist the most whereas cableshit will make buypig happy.

>if you feed people shit and shit sprinkled with sugar people will prefer the sugar sprinkled shit

in ear mics have mostly shown some differences but the general population is mostly similar, there are always outliers

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He's doing it ironically because zeos always includes anime girls in his videos. And most of his criticism is from zeos followers.

T. Someone who has never heard the Harman response. It's the most natural signature, nothing beats it. Don't know why you can't understand that

>27 for female
>222 for male

I have, both as my own headphones EQ’d to Harman and as IEMs tuned to it. It sounds awful.

it actually sounds really bad

honestly it's a generational thing I think. the audio world has to keep people buying products and now the new way to sucker people in is targeting the youth who is used to computer specs and such
what was the sample size and what's the proper sample size for determining a standard curve for the entire planet? :)

>understands that neutral response is best but can appreciate deviations from it
>knows that major dips and peaks are the biggest offenders of sound quality and are generally the signs of a low quality product
Holy fuck, this nigga is based as fuck. Finally a reviewer who isn't a complete shill and has an actual understanding of audio reproduction and he's familiar with speakers too.

friendly reminder only white men have the ability to judge audio quality due to our superior physiology

You don't really want to start an argument with sample size when even the male one is tiny as hell and restricted to very specific groups, while the harman studies can't even be replicated over the years with enough consistency ->

40, but based on most studies that have been done, most people have a similar response, I feel sorry for the outliers

>I feel sorry for the outliers
straight to the gulag for them eh? commissar harman. wear the etymotics or else.

Most people how old? From where? Who enjoy what music? Male or female?

People who don’t know anything about science shouldn’t try to comment on it.

>based on most studies that have been done
the basis of a real science is when you can replicate the study and get the same results
harman can't do it without major deviations and nobody outside of harman has done it ever
good luck, try again

lets be honest, having a "target" sound signature in a market as subjective as audio is pseudoscience anyways.

>this is how harmaniggers actually think

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you have literally no idea about the topic on hand
we're talking about the response at the eardrum, the drp, we know for a fact based on data by harman and etymotic that if you tune based on the eardrum's response, music sounds too bright. etymotic's solution was to reduce the treble a bit, harman tried to create a new target curve entirely, i don't agree with any particular method fyi

the true face of the harmantardon

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Non-Harmon niggers are always feelz over reelz. Can't stand the fact that their is the ideal response backed up by data

>you have literally no idea about the topic on hand
Said the guy who doesn’t know basic shit about sample sizes and accuracy.

I agree with you, I'm merely playing the game and letting the assumption of the possibility of such a dumb idea exist and argue that the only way to prove anything is to replicate.
Even real sciences like medicine are going under a major replication crisis.
> In a paper published in 2012, Glenn Begley, a biotech consultant working at Amgen, and Lee Ellis, at the University of Texas, argued that only 11% of the pre-clinical cancer studies could be replicated
Yet all those little fools keep parroting the same shit over and over from one single group of researcher working for a megacorp that is known to not have released a single good headphone for aeons whose studies were replicated by no one and keep having major deviations when they repeat the process on their own.
It's not science, it's voodoo.

you are both retarded and should be taken out back and shot. stop rationalizing your purchases with mediocre data

>literally ben shapiroposting about audio
cringe

I haven't seen any data saying that the Harmon response isn't the ideal response.

still loving my akg k7xx's

there have been dozens of studies based on the drp, like i've said many times, the majority of results are similar except for the few outliers, this is the reality of it based on the limited data we have, feel free to educate yourself further before posting on a topic you have zero knowledge on

you can make a case study about anything and everything.
"1 in 5 americans tend to have fecal bacteria on their cell phones"
like how did you even measure this data and what relevance does being in america have to do with fecal bacteria

>I haven't seen any data that pigs don't fly therefore it must be true
this is how retarded you sound.