Ryzen 7 3700X 12 Cores 24 Threads

not that dude, but cpus don't scale linearly.
first there's the problem with ram, being faster means that you have to wait more cycles for the data to come,
second, caches are usually in a different frequency and the buses are always in different frequency than your CPU is, which means that if you overclock your CPU you change things like in the previous point I made.

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Yeah, that's the theory, but it really only applies to shitty apps, and scales linearly in most of the rest.

Let me add.
On current CPUs, cache hierarchy is scaled to handle 8 core/ thread with dual channel DDR4.
It looks like zen2 will double it, because, well, cores.
But most apps don't leverage 8 cores at all, so they have all the bandwidth they could hope for, and some.
Hence why the linear scaling in gaymes.

I'm going to have to wait quite a few months anyway but would it be worth going with a 2 series on sale when the 3s come out or just going with 3? Money/Value kind of an issue.

fuck you num lock.
>8 core/thread
8 cores/16 threads

>because, well, cores.
because, well, 16 cores.

depends on your use case

So what do you use this machine for? Just curious. Play any nice retro games?

thats not the issue. there is no way in hell ryzen 2 is every going to reach 5ghz even single core on realistic air cooling solution

Well I do game some, Initially though I may have to use an old nvidia card. I don't have 4k or VR but I would like to at least be fairly prepared for decent performance in that area in the future, but that's more on the GPU which can be bought later like I said. Honestly I've never had AMD before and these look like the better value. Basically initially be prepared on the CPU side of things.

Depends what AMD does.
It's looking more and more likely they will jew us a 8 core, to later release 12-16 cores parts.
It would still be great, but it's also 5 month away. Actually, if clockspeed leaks are in line with leaks, it will absolutely destroy Intel's offer. But that's never guaranteed.
The best argument to waiting is X570 motherboards. They'll be fully packed with PCIE4 m.2 and usb 3.X all over the place.

Nice larp
Also, how many of these cores are gonna be real?

Why? 12 core is supposed to 105W tdp and 5Ghz boost. And that's the exact same thing as my 2700X.

Im in a similar position. Best thing in my mind is wait for benchmarks from ryzen 2 and the prices of 2000 series when the 3000 series launch then decide. if you have the time to wait

where are you getting this info? please link

Well, the demo they did was a 8 core at 65W.
So 12 cores at 105W seems reasonable.

no i mean the clock speeds.

So 16 core 6 Ghz @ 200watt? Seems reasonable to me.

Also, if IPC gains are what they claim, it would still beat Intel at lower clock speeds.

There were some leaks a month ago or so.
I'd be fucking disappoint if 7nm can't into 5 Ghz, when Intel can do it on 14.

Well, 5 Ghz would be single core turbo, so nowhere near tdp.
What you're talking about is all core boost, and obviously, the thing will downclock to match whatever tdp they decide it to run at.

>Intel 14nm has comparable performance to poozen 7nm

>I'd be fucking disappoint if 7nm can't into 5 Ghz, when Intel can do it on 14.

its because of the zen architecture they will never clock high due to the design of it.

>Intel 10nm won't arrive until 2030

because you say so?

>It was assumed that AYYYMDoredTV is lying.
It was never assumed that he was lying, just that his sources may be.

Let me develop.
Just to let you understand how much of a monster zen2 looks like.
What AMD showed, with their 2050 cinebench score told me two things.
-My 2700X would need to be at 4.6Ghz ALL CORE boost to get there.
-a 105W part(12c) will beat what we saw by 60%.

From here, you just know IPC gains mean it was actually running lower all core clocks than 4.6Ghz on that demo.
Still 65W, and you just know they will a 95W 8 cores part.

from what we've seen with all the previous ryzen CPUs not having much OC headroom

The guy things cpus don't scale with clockspeed, so let him be.

Sorry intelbros, Israel is currently too busy bombing civilians and iranians in Syria to work on a new CPU architecture. This time they won't come as saviours on a white horse like they did after the Netburst disaster.

Jesus Christ man, second hand Sandy/Ivy bridge laptops are fairly cheap nowadays, go figure

it was a Low Power process, you fucking voidbrain

excuses

Yet another case of using the past to predict the future.

No, it really was.

thats not waht I think. I think there is no way ryzen 2 will reach 5ghz single core without ln2 or great watercooling

oh okay, I guess there were some limits magically inherent to zen 1, and not the LPP

Yeah,... but at over twice the powerdraw and thus the need to be cooled with a beefier cooler.

I think you can start collecting tears in your bathtub.

if it was designed to be produced on LPP yea that means it wont be able to overcome them no matter which node

9900k will actually run alright on aircooling.
The problem is MCE being on by default.
If you run it on specs, aircooling is fine. On 14nm.

confirmed brainlet

How delusional can you get.
They fucking showed us what the process can do.
Regardless of the cinebench demo, they fucking beat a top of the line Intel system with a single socket Rome setup.

Amdrones believe 7nm will surpass coffee lake in single core when a 22nm haswell still btfo's current poozen lmao.

Also it's gonna be a housefire just like the 7nm vega is.

>But muh single core!
That's the only thing you got left, and you're gonna loose it.

>3.7GHz
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
AMD UTTERLY BTFO

>if you actually use the cpu to manufacturer spec, not what the Mainboard Manufacturer set or you want.

Yeah right thats why you buy a 600+$ unlocked CPU from Intel.

>loose it
As expected, AMDrones are hired ESL pajeets

>reddit spacing
Please go back to Jow ForumsAMD_stock

nice latency bro

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> Personal attacks are an argument

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Yeah, but then it behaves.
And you can actually aircool it.
Calling it now, 3700X will come with the same cooler as 2700X.

Cry more. You have a bathtub to fill.

what is wrong with my assumption?

>62 posts
>all because of a Reddit post without a single source

I didn't disagree with you, but I'm questioning your reasonig. At Intel spec the 9900k is only about 10% faster than a 2700X, on average, while still costing about double the Price with no cooler included.

Ok, I guess I'm on the fence.
That being said, all reviewer agree AMD's comparison was with MCE on.
I say they just ran that ship at whatever frequency that would beat intel.
Meaning it could actually get better.

>20 posters
It's just amdniggers circle jerking

That's 3 posts per person.
That's called a discussion.

I fully agree.

architectures aren't designed to only work with a certain process

shhh.
He doesn't know.
His brain will explode when Intel starts outsourcing production.
Well, to be honest, it's not that simple, but it can be done.

>INTEL BTFO LOOOL
>I'M RIGHT BECAUSE *insert made-up speculation*
Nice discussion

Kill yourself.
I propose Gillette as a sponsor.

do you have insider information or are you talking out of your ass?

zen was always a high-clock design you mongoloid. it's limited by GloFo's shitty mobile process

He thinks 7nm TSMC is a shrink of Gloflo 14nm.

poozen

I know but this one seems to have been optimized for certain parameters including the production and it can't deviate from that basis much. I really don't know much stuff about this obviously and its all theory but I expect to correct.

Intel wins again.

>poser intelfag who brags about 9900K, while slumping with his non-K i5

KEK

Yeah, you don't know about it.

Let me help you.
mostly this It's a whole new process altogether.
Performance is still unknown but they wouldn't do it if it wasn't better.

Yeah I mean in either case I have to wait quite a few months anyway (money saving reasons)

Definitely worth waiting.
1950x went from 900$ to 450$ when 2950x launched.
When they clear inventory we'll most likely see some crazy discounts on the current CPUs.

Just wait for zen 4. It will fix the latency issues for sure.

by process do you mean cpu architecture or fab process?

Don't worry bro. AMD always has your back with price/performance deals.
It's one thing to talk about the best performer.
But at the end of the day, it all boils down to how much money you can spend on it.

Zen2 is obviously different from zen.
It's still a cpu, so it's doing the same things as any cpu. You're still thinking frequency limit on zen was due to architecture and not fab limits.
Be prepared to get your ass torn.

I hope its really torn because I'm looking to upgrade to 3000 series AMD

>low clock speed
>huge latency
yikes

Depends where you're coming from.
I wouldn't buy it coming from intel. I'd wait for zen2+ and new motherboards, with ddr5.

No I already have and AMD rig with a 2200g but that b-die ram. this was always my intended upgrade path

>what is being gimped by single channel memory.
you're full retard.

Then, you should be able to just buy the processor.

It's like the 9900K is an RX-7 and the Zen3 ES is the AE86

Some people have actually benchmarked it.
Depends on the application, but let's just say it's still pretty mucj the same.

I won't if it can't clock. I don't even care that much about performance impact I just like to know that my processor can say 5ghz in the specs

He did lie, about clocks, prices, models, tdp, and APUs. Everyone called 16 core zen 2 when AMD showed off the 64 core epyc

It will clock.
What matters to your motherboard is power draw.
And it looks like this pulls nothing.

Yeah no I'm not waiting over a year

Yeah one thing I did notice was that they come with the stock fans intel doesn't anymore. That saves some initial cost right there. Of course later yeah I can get a better fan but if in the mean time overclocking isn't a big deal then I should be fine right? How are the ones that they come with?