/pcbg/ PC Building General

Assemble a part list
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>Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes
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>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-9700k/8700k - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti | If you can't afford to spend 350 dollar on a CPU go with AMD.
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3400CL16 is ideal
>All AMD chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>GTX 1060, RX 570, RX 580 are standard choices
>RTX 2060 thanks to 6gb vram only good for 1080p or as a short-term solution; consider 1070/Ti or Vega56 ONLY if on sale
1440p
>RTX 2070; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56 ONLY if on sale
>RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 is the standard choice but Vega7 launch is soon so better wait
>RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
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piss, didn't see the other one

The other one didn't even call itself pcbg in the title, so no sweat.

I could use some advice from whomever has an opinion on this. I'm currently running 1080p on a 1070sc (w/ ryzen2600, b350 mobo), and I'm interested in moving up to 1440p for reasons. Can my current system push 1440p above 60fps? If not, is the gpu the only upgrade that can make this possible?

I ask bc I'm pretty happy with the 1070 and want to make it last for a while if I can. I'm already planning on upping to either a b450 or x470 motherboard, along with maybe a 3600x when prices/benchmarks come out. Would upgrading those rather than the gpu make any difference in its ability to run 1440p effectively?

it's better than my current rig and I can do 144 fps 1080p on it, I'm sure you can get 120+ fps 1440p with yours

Higher resolution depends more on GPU.

Well, well, well - how convenient.
My current 2tb 5400rpm WD blue is the loudest part in my system. What can I replace it with?
Not buying a 2tb SSD because using an SSD to store porn is extremely wasteful.

seconding this quesion:
I curently also have a 2600 at 4.0 ghz on an MSI b450 and an EVGA 1070 SC2. Want to to move up to 1440p and I'd like for my system to push a stable 100+fps at 1440p with pretty graphics (not Ultra, obviously).
Will a Ryzen 3XXX with 6c/12t or 8c/16t for 200€ be a good upgrade? my ram is also cl16-18-18-38 at 3200mhz so it's good enough for ryzen.
I'd like to keep my current motherboard and GPU since my mobo is only a few months old and I've had my 1070 for less than a year.

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Wanna change my 1080 to either a Ti or a RTX 2080, probably go for the latter right?

What's a cheap and noticeable upgrade from a 750ti?

A job that allows you to buy more powerful PC hardware.

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I refuel trains for a living. Money isn't the issue, but I don't want to spend the equivalent of a months rent for video games. I just want to keep pace.

sorry about my previous shitposting but I'd argue that you could get an rx 470/480 for around 200€/$ and you'd see a very good performance improvement.
if you go for something more powerful you might see some bottlenecking depending on your CPU.

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>get an rx 470/480
I meant 570/580. Sorry about that.

a 1050ti or a radeon rx570 might work

If you live in aus I'll sell you a 1060 6gb

It's dead Jim.

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How's this for a Plex server/NAS that needs to handle a few transcoding tasks?
The Barracudas are intended to be kept in RAID 0 and the WD Purple would be used as an offline backup for the array. I'd like to have a hotswap bay for the backup drive, but I'm worried about putting wear on drive's connectors and hotswap bays that use trays seem overly expensive.
I'm starting with 8 GB of RAM to save a little money and I'll add more later if I need it. I'm not planning on using deduplication on the array, so I think I can get away with 8 GB for a while.

Shit question, but whatever
Local store has 2x 2x8GB kit of Corsair LPX DDR4 for close prices
3000MHz CL15 for $199 (AUD)
3200MHz CL16 for $203 (AUD)
Is the higher speed worth $4 more, or is the subsequent higher CL detrimental to a Ryzen system? I've already got 16GB RAM, but it's 2400MHz CL16.
Anyone got that chart of ideal DDR4 timings?

Suggest me parts for my next router/firewall.
>low power consumption
>ecc
>enough pcie lane/ports for nics
I don't care if it's amd, or Intel.

>EVGA Supernova 650W G3 = ~$100 (USD)
>Cooler Master 850W Vanguard = ~$115 (USD)
Which would be better for my computer, which draws an estimated ~410W according to PCPP?
Both gold rated & fully modular, which are the two main things I've been wanting from a PSU.
I'd assume the 650W would be more ideal, and the 850W being a bit wasteful, but is there any downside to getting a slightly higher wattage PSU for """"future proofing"""" at all, aside from spending a bit more money?

SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum $79.99 after $30 mail in rebate at newegg. 10 year transferrable warranty.
Going higher doesn't really have any negatives, and gives you more overhead to over clock.

When are Zen2 parts coming? Currently on a Ryzen 1400, but looking at upgrading to a 6 core. I don't know whether it'd be better to go for a 2600 now, or wait for a ~3300/X. Either that, or the 3600, since it'll supposedly be the same price as a 2600.

Well, I'm not in the US, so MIR don't really work for me.
Ausfag, just thought that using USD would be more helpful.
Cheapest Seasonic 650W PSU is ~$110 USD

I'd wait a few months after amd releases new CPUs, and buy after the price of those new CPUs drops.

>Ausfag
Ah apologies. I did assume US.
What about superflowers? Iirc those are available in Australia for better prices.

Just pulled the trigger on;

Ryzen 2600
Noctua D14
MSI B450 Mortar
Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 650w
Kingston HyperX 3200MHz CL16 2x8GB
FRACTAL DESIGN Meshify C
AMD Strix 580 8GB
AOC AGON G2590PX 144hz Freesync

The 2600 is only until the new Ryzen 3000's come out where I will upgrade to a 8c16t CPU which is why I went with the Mortar as it has good enough VRM's for a 2700x OC'ed so will be fine for the next gen.

Roast me.

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currently have:

4790k non overclocked / 16 gb ddr 3 ram / GTX 1060 6GB

What would be a good comfortable upgrade to get to DDR4 Ram? also wanting to install a M2 SSD

HD 7770

brainlet noob here; does buying a bigger PSU automatically make your system consume more power, or will that only happen if you add more power hungry components?

What's the realistic overclocking potential on a kit of 3200MHz CL16? I know it varies from kit to kit, but I'd be curious to getting 3200MHz CL16, and just timing it better or overclocking it. As opposed to getting a CL14 2400MHz kit, at least.

Your system will only use the amount of power it needs. Depending on the efficiency of your PSU it might draw more from the wall though. That's why 80+ certificates exist.

RX 570/580 goes for ~120-150.

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-580/2187vs3923

look up psu power curve efficiency it uses less if you put in a larger psu for the same watts

Can someone help me...

I keep getting random frame stuttering when using either GTX 1050 ti or a RX 590... I'm not sure what fuck is going on with my pc right now. The stuttering bullshit needs to end!

cpu is a 6600k
two ssd's

On what games?

this pic is faker than adored's leaks.

Rust, Subnautica, shit even random stuttering on Diablo 2!

Wait for the 10TB Easystores to go on sale for $180 and get 2
Saves you $230 and 30W plus is more reliable
Also just get $20 chinkshit SATA SSD, maybe 2 to mirror if you want

You sure it isn't an OS issue? Your PC might have cryptoAIDS or some other malware which causes random CPU usage spikes.

How do I check / clean for that shit?

I might just end up doing a fresh install and hopefully that'll fix the damn issue.

thanks frens

Try malwarebytes.

Also, I wonder if it's Microsoft pushing shitty Windows 10 updates causing problems like this

And what if it comes back negative? Fresh install still?

I'm planning on downsizing my i7-2700k/HD7950 setup to a console styled pc case with USB ports on the front for easily plugging my controllers in (micro-atx is the largest I'm willing to go) without breaking the bank.

I've found three so far, but there are issues with all three:

The Antec VSK2000-U3 is micro-ATX sized, but it won't fit my 7950 card (the height is only 4in).
amazon.com/Antec-Slim-Desktop-Micro-VSK2000-U3/dp/B015IYLSFS/ref=pd_sbs_147_15?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B015IYLSFS&pd_rd_r=eb24a010-22bd-11e9-81c1-55944d4ed8db&pd_rd_w=sqkPD&pd_rd_wg=Htx8f&pf_rd_p=588939de-d3f8-42f1-a3d8-d556eae5797d&pf_rd_r=KAFN4PWMRWSCYRYFQKW4&psc=1&refRID=KAFN4PWMRWSCYRYFQKW4

The Fractal Node 202 can easily fit my video card and most of my other parts, but it only takes mini-ITX mobos only, and decent mini-ITX lga1155 mobos are impossible to find at a reasonable price.
amazon.com/Fractal-Design-FD-CA-NODE-202-BK-Case/dp/B015MKDOPU

Last is the Fractale Node 605 (pic related), which can easily fit all of my parts and is micro-ATX compatible, but are impossible to find under $150.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for cheap micro-atx compatible htpc cases with usb ports on the front?

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>non overclocked 4790k
why

>Roast me
That's a decent as fuck build user. You may find that the performance of the 2600 is so good or, at least, so acceptable, you don't feel compelled to upgrade until later than you think you will. If you play any older games or shit like fortnite, you'll be hitting 120 frames no problem

Is eBay the best place to buy used parts?

I want to try building a scrap PC from scrap parts

neat thanks

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buy a mini-itx board user

Man, the Meshify S2 is basically perfect. I can't wait to replace my S340 with one. Thank you based Sweden, you're now only overwhelmingly cucked instead of totally.

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Am I a fucking idiot? Why can everyone else get much more out of this card? I tried without upping the voltage to begin with, but the results were even worse. I'm new to this.

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Click that little 3 bars thingy to the left of core clock and do the auto tuner.

It opened up the frequency curve editor. I'm not seeing any kind of auto tuner? Looks like I can only manually set it. Any quick tips?

>Wait for the 10TB Easystores to go on sale for $180 and get 2
>Saves you $230 and 30W plus is more reliable
I always thought that the hard drives in those external drives were on the lower end of reliability.
>Also just get $20 chinkshit SATA SSD, maybe 2 to mirror if you want
I chose an NVMe SSD so I can have five SATA connectors dedicated to the array and the sixth reserved for the backup drive. It also will have the added benefit of less latency when serving thumbnails and such.

Never mind. Just found a nice looking guide.

guys which is better?
Rx 580 8gb xfx or Powercolor RX580 AXRX 8GB?

out of these two I'd pick the xfx, but I'd also consider the sapphire rx580 as well

Why? Is this better than Define C?

what if I know that the xfx was used for mining, still the same?.

I am planning to upgrade from an i5 6500 and these are my options. Is the 7700K worth the extra £100? Any help is appreciated.

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I want to upgrade my graphics card. I'm considering either the RTX 2060 or the GTX 1070. My brother told me I should go with the GTX 1070 because my motherboard might not handle the RTX 2060 properly.
My computer uses the 990 FXA-UD3 motherboard.

(Processor is AMD FX-9590 CPU. 16 GB RAM)

[spoiler] Please help a pleb. [/spoiler]

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For the same price you could buy a 2600X and mobo with actual future upgrade options that have more than 4 cores.

I don't know much about the define C but I currently have a S340 and have been looking for a more spacious mesh front case for a while now, this one ticks all the boxes for me.

no point paying that much just for the same chip with hyperthreading

I would buy the 2600 + mobo for the same price (or 2700x after selling the i5 and mobo), you also get ryzen 3000/4000 support

no point with that CPU, bottleneck out the ass

Great, thank you guys. Any good mobos you would recommend?

I'm looking for the cheapest Intel CPU + Mobo combo to pair with an RTX 2070, it'll be used for machine learning and light gaming, so I don't need a fancy CPU, just something that doesn't bottleneck too much.

My total build price has to be under $1k USD

if they undervolted and cooled it well, then the mined card should be fine

B450M Pro4 best value, MSi Mortar or Pro Carbon are the best overall.

>with actual future upgrade
this meme has to die

Why?

t. buttblasted intelaviv shareholder

>Intel
>Cheap
>won't bottleneck a 2070

uh the best you can get is the i5 8400 which is poor value compared to ryzen. that's if you can find it in stock at a reasonable price

I'm kinda worried about pairing a ryzen cpu with the 2070 because of machine learning libraries and shit, dunno if it'll cause any unexpected bugs

In 5 years you can just whack in a cheap top end 3000/4000 chip

I replaced a 2500k with a 3770k after 5 years, having even better upgrade paths is great

So the GTX 1070 it is then?

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Because you need a $150+ x470 to go with zen2. Otherwise they wouldn't sell the new motherboards they are releasing
In 5 years am4 will be trash. You will better off changing everything by then.

i3-8100 and Gigabyte B360M DS3H (or ASRock B360 Pro4 if you need ATX)

you might also fit an i5-8400 in the budget as well

Are there any cases that have flat motherboard, ATX compatibility?
I was looking at the Thermaltake Core X1, but would need to swap out the motherboard since I currently have an a full ATX mobo.
Any recommendations? I don't want to lay my case down on its' side to have the mobo flat, so when I need access to the drives, for example, or cables, I can easily.

>In 5 years am4 will be trash. You will better off changing everything by then.

I disagree, a CPU upgrade can make the system last another 2-3 years as the 3770k did to my build instead of paying for a whole new setup.

>you need a $150+ x470 to go with zen2
That's 100% fucking wrong. B450 support up to 125W CPUS.

Im not talking about used cpus
Im pretty sure a 2700x won't even run at half the speed on a b350.

Should also mention that I know of the Core X9, but at $200 or whatever, it's a little much.

>Because you need a $150+ x470 to go with zen2. Otherwise they wouldn't sell the new motherboards they are releasing

What? B450 can handle overclocked 2700x so they will handle 8c/16t zen2 no problem and most likely the 12c parts as well.

This isn't intel we're talking about the new motherboards just have more features like pcie 5.0

>Im pretty sure
You are completely wrong.
An absolutely bottom of the barrel $40 B350 with 3 phases and no VRM cooling MIGHT throttle a few percent at maximum load, but not even close to as bad as you are suggesting. The vast majority of boards work just fine and will continue to work up to 4000 series.

That's the dumbest thing I have read

Do electric blowers work decent with PSUs?

My place gets quite dusty as all fuck and no filters are gonna save my new PSU from getting dusty inside, but I'd rather not open this one so I can keep the eternal warranty it has.

I'm planning to go for a build that won't use more than 1 GPU and that's about it.

Should I go for small form factor? I'm concerned about temperature but I heard that's easily solved by some cases just having a fuckton of room for coolers. My biggest problem is my cryorig H7, apparently that's too tall a cooler, but since it's a pain in the ass to acquire an am4 kit for that one in my country I might buy a different cooler anyways.

1069 or 1070ti for 1440p gaming on meduim-high if the price is equal?

*2060 vs 1070ti, goddamn

2060 easily

Do you not read your own posts?

B450 is only choice don't be naive with marketing tricks

1070ti

2060 isn't great for the long run at higher than 1080p thanks to 6gb

Is a MSI Tomahawk b450 any good? Is it good enough for a 2700x?

yes/yes

I'm confused here. MSI website on my GPU says that TDP is 150W, but the bios on my GPU (and any bios available for it, anyways) has a TDP of 120W at 0% power limit. Does that mean that MSI is just drunk or is the TDP lower than it should?

Can anyone recommend an lga1155 mini-itx board with usb3.0 and a pcie slot for under $100?