FREEEEEDOOMMMM

This has always been the case...You were either too young or too ignorant to care before. The only place where you can get some ultimate fence straddling centrism is Boogie1488, you should ask him what he browses.

This whole muh free speech bullshit is completely idiotic. Nobody is taking away your right to speak, if you want to vent your racism, homophobia or sexism then you can, just be prepared to have your shit pushed in by the public. I don't understand, other than being obviously hateful towards groups of people, there is literally no limit to speech. Just don't be a piece of shit and you'll be fine.

>plasma tv
People give them away for free, just have to haul it and replace some caps

i want a house, new car, a new oled tv and a gf and extra dip please.

Jow Forums

The chans, some IRCs, and a few forums are the only places where there's free speech on the internet.

>hurr free speech isn't free of muh consequences
Except it is. Free speech doesn't exist if people are threatened with financial loss or bodily harm if they say "the wrong things". Imagine this same idiotic argument being applied to voting: "you can vote but we've placed armed guards at all the polls who shoot you afterwards!". Free speech is protected. There is no such thing as hate speech in the US. People are allowed to say anything they like, no matter how offensive it is to any group or individual. There is no debate to be had. The average man hates the media and they hate outrage culture bullshit.

Free speech now. Free speech tomorrow. Free speech forever. Blow it out your asses, niggerfaggots.

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Chan sites are the last of the wild west internet.

As a matter of fact it is too much to fucking ask. You're not entitled to happiness, shitdick.

You're wrong and you'll figure that out if you do take that other guy up on the "make one then" encouragement. Funding isn't that easy if you are cut off from Paypal, Patreon and even banks in some cases. If you plan on only accepting cryptocurrency then great, good luck being funded by the 0.1% of your users who are into that. Hosting's also a problem.

>This has always been the case
>Nobody is taking away your right to speak
You're wrong. There were not weekly news articles about elderly people being arrested for posting rape statistics or other crime statics on Facebook 10 years ago. That's a new development. And that shows that your assertion that "nobody's taking away your right to speak" is very wrong.

And it's worse because I had to chose between running a free blog service were people could write pretty much what they wanted or move to another country. Thus; had to take away a lot of people's ability to speak freely.

A word of advice: "hate speech" just means speech someone else hates hearing. Someone may decide to hate something you say today 5 years from now.

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you're free to say anything on this very board, and now you've decided to use your freedom of speech to make this thread. maybe you don't really need this freedom after all

That's not how free speech works you fucking mongoloid. In what delusional fantasy do you live where you think free speech means speech is devoid of consequences. Even in your dumb mutt country, you are only protected from the government coming after you for speech, everyone else is exempt. Another citizen can knock your fucking shit out if you say some autistic shit to them. A private company can fire your ass for not wanting an ignorant cunt representing their company. It's not hard to not hate people based on some superficial traits that have absolutely nothing to do with you. The only outrage culture is all the sperg lords like you, who think civilization is over because some dumb teenagers are tweeting dumb shit.

>no hate speech in US
Sure, but if you are discriminating against people based on their race, gender, orientation, age, etc and you are an employee of a private company, they are entirely within their right to terminate your employment.

Citizen are also protected against harassment. So technically hate-speech can be classified as harassment.

>posts an img of anecdotal evidence in some dwarven runes nobody understands.
>no context
>nothing beyond clickbait article titles
>farming folders of dumb shit from across the world to confirm my bias
>world literally ending
How do you extrapolate some fringe examples of dumb shit happening in Sweden (or whever that is), to the rest of the world?

>I can't run a blog where we discuss whether non-whites are even humans and the jewish question
If that's not the kind of blog you wanted to run, then I don't know what your problem is.
>A word of advice: "hate speech" just means speech someone else hates hearing
Did you make that up? Hate speech has very specific guidelines and is entirely about protecting people against prejudice because of their gender, orientation, race.

>A private company can fire your ass for not wanting an ignorant cunt representing their company
its always very puzzling when some random nobody spews some dumb shit on twitter and getting fired over it.
when in the history of mankind did somebody see a retarded post, then thought, huh lets look up where he works and then not support their products?
sure, if you an ACTUAL representative of the company, ie. CEO or whatever, I can see why.
>harassment
the reason its scary because society as a whole is becoming a bigger pussy by the minute, people can randomly decide to get offended by whatever and demand change.

>just make your own content!
>just build your own website!
>just make your own hosting provider!
>just buy your own domain registrar license!
>just make your own DDoS mitigation service!
>just build your own payment processor!
>
>just fund your own bank!
>just start your own internet service provider!
>just install your own wiring straight to your audience's house!

This user gets it. The death of the free internet is perfectly illustrated here.

The government exists to enforce laws that protect the rights of citizens. No, you are not allowed to hit me for saying things you don't like. You are not allowed to fire me for exercising a legally protected right. I cannot be fired for voting a certain way, so my employer shouldn't be allowed to fire me for speech outside of the workplace that's unrelated to my job. And no, speech isn't harassment. If you don't like the sound waves I'm producing in public, you're free to vacate the area. If you don't like text I publish, you're free to not look at, fucking pussy.

This.

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>some fringe examples
It's not. As I said, there's an article or two about someone being arrested for saying something "wrong" on the Internet every single week. Same thing's going on in Germany.

As for the blog service, it wasn't about my personal blog; learn to read. It had several thousand users.

>Hate speech has very specific guidelines
It doesn't and it changes rapidly. Your country may have some "guidelines" and you may think they mean anything. Don't be shocked if they change on you.

>just get arrested
and be told that one of your thousands of users supposedly wrote something bad but you can't get to know which one and you must hand over the entire database.

All of the deplatforming basically stops at the banks (which are run by jews, which get money from the federal reserve which is also heavily jewish). That is the leviathan. The final boss. There's nothing above the banks. Basically if you aren't pissing off the rootless international clique of bankers, you aren't anti-system and you aren't making a difference.

I would personally like to see the people of coinage loaded in train cars and sent to summer camp. I think that would stop the censorship push.

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> >just fund your own bank!
> >just start your own internet service provider!
I'm sorry, but the bank is the most difficult, followed by a payment processor.

>Plasma tv
What year is this, 2006?

>just build your own government!
>just build your own death camps for faggots that can't be reasoned with!

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i want a new fleshlight, i worn out the one i have now

None that are good. There's some obscure imageboards, but they're full of stormfags

Can't some of this be mitigated with heavy decentralisation? By having your end-users shoulder some of the hosting burden?

Not that user but the issue is that it doesn't matter how you disperse things. There will be an establishment bottleneck that forces compliance by some means. You can spread things out all you want but it won't stop the payment processing bottleneck from blocking those they disagree with. If you find a way around that, then the neck level becomes the bottleneck, until the only thing left is
>just make your own country (lol, where?) with it's own independent economy and rule
At which point you admit the country has no true free speech in any practical sense.

What's stopping someone from creating a decentralized chan where there are limits only on post quantity/size, but none whatsoever on content?

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I really want a car...

freedom rise up for me

someone is working on this now will be a few years at this rate til they have something basic working

No. Free speech doesn't exist within the domain of private corporations.
Not without their permission.

>plasma
Who the fuck would want such a shit display technology?

And we've happily allowed corporation to own the entirety of the digital real estate so that the very idea of freedom is incompatible. "But muh private company can do whatever it wants..." Great, but unlike the non-digital world, they own 100% of the viable space.

How on earth does it take a few years to make a chan? He must be typing with his feet.

Jow Forums and infinity
thats about it

>they own 100% of the viable space.
start your own website
most hosts will only take you down for illegal content

>start your own website
Wow, it's almost as if you haven't read any of the rest of this thread.
>most hosts will only take you down for illegal content
Not even remotely true. More and more, you get platformed and digitally disappeared for simply not having the right views or talking theories. I'll grant that Alex Jones stuff is very low IQ tinfoil stuff, but he should still have every right to say it and he has been digitally disappeared.

The danger is in allowing corporations to own everything AT ALL LEVELS so that you cannot simply go up a level anymore, as you suggest. Short of creating a new country, there is no way to give control of the internet (even in part) back to the public.

Yeah but dude, just think and act like a liberal and you won't ever be censored.
Just become a leftist bro. it's easier and you will also just care less about rights in general.

How can you have free speech in a world without free thought?

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>what's a distributed peer-to-peer platform???
Distributed (think peer-to-peer) + anonymity is the only way to ensure 100% freedom of speech.
It would take me around a month to implement. I have already worked on a proof-of-concept distributed forum in the past, and that took me around 2 days to get something functional up and running. It's also secured via. cryprography and is write-only, so nothing can be deleted in the ledger as long as there is a single honest peer. What will take the most time is the optimization and retrieval of the data, as it has to be scalable.

I was considering writing a completely distributed anonymous forum software (GPL). My only problem is that I don't have the time to implement it as I'm currently working on a large project (+ another large side project which is coming up soon) which I expect to make quite a bit of money off of, so that I can quit my wagecuck job. Once I start making a living off my projects I will most likely create it, unless someone already created it.

What we currently have, is Bitmessage. It's unfortunately very normie unfriendly. That could be improved by providing a more forum-esque interface and a web client.

Gab has positioned itself as the free speech version of twitter.

gab.ai/

a peer to peer imageboard that is pretty much impossible to shut down and can be used normally by most people (just a normal surface web address) would be insanely cool

>I don't want to own anything
>but I want to be free
Contradicting and delusional. You can only be free within your own property.

Jow Forums, sort of. The other, roughly twice as much as Jow Forums chan, but it's much lower population.

Keep in mind astroturfers are ubiquitous these days, particularly Israeli astroturfers but also from political "activist" (aka pushing the ultra wealthy's agenda) organizations.

Hell, a significant number of Tweets are literally just bots - it won't be long before astroturfing on places like Jow Forums and reddit can be completely automated.

And yes, you can bet your ass they'll be clamping down on free speech online over the next 5-10 years, drastically. The Alex Jones treatment (total, simultaneous deplatforming aka silencing) was not a last resort, that was a first test. And it worked.

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>Someone may decide to hate something you say today 5 years from now.
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks goy- I mean, guy.

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>pushing the pro-censorship narrative
And these, ladies and Jow Forumsentoomen, are what we call "astroturfers". That is, people being paid to post and appear as "just another user", while pushing and promoting their employer's agenda.

In this case, that agenda is pro-censorship, anti-free-speech. They will use arguments such as
>well it's private corporations so they can do what they want
>you don't deserve to speak if you said something racist/sexist/xenophobic/countless other buzzwords that have lost all meaning
>free speech doesn't mean freedom from repercussions - including the repercussion of losing your ability to speak

Remember, many of these people are full-time employees. Pushing propaganda and undermining communities like Jow Forums is, very literally, their 40-60 hour per week job. Being aware of it is well more than half the battle.

>but none whatsoever on content?
You'll end up with no userbase because nobody wants to use a website where retards can freely spam Child Porn, Gore, etc.

What do you mean by free speech ? If you are referring to some bs written on constitution, it doesn't mean anything to justice system of enforcers. Justice system in US is beyond fucked.

If you wanna attempt real controversial "free" speech, you have to accept the chance of getting killed or be jailed.

I'd kill every single one of you at the mere thought of losing my Panasonic plasma

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I know you think you're smart, but you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Free speech without accountability is not actually free speech, it's just mindless chatter. You can't try and claim that you deserve accountability when you say something good, but at the same time try to avoid accountability for saying bad things that people don't like.

And yes, this applies even in a work situation where your job is on the line. You are not a free speech advocate, you are pro-censorship, you just don't want to admit that your bullying behavior is the same as censorship.

a peer to peer imageboard wouldn't be much more difficult to implement than a forum. the only thing that has to be worked out is an optimal filesize and figure out when theads get automatically purged by all peers.

spam is also something that has to be considered, though I think that can be solved with minimal proof-of-work so that it takes you a certain amount of cpu power to make a single post. this would at least deter mass spamming.

Is there a single country in the world that isn't fucked?

cia niggers posting cp

>Free speech without accountability is not actually free speech
>Free speech is actually censorship
Very interesting, I'll have to add these to my list of astroturfer talking points.

>saying things I don't like is the same thing as bullying, and therefore not free speech
I'd just like everyone to take a moment and appreciate how nonsensical this astroturfer's arguments are.

Please tell me what it is you think I'm astroturfing.

In fact if you want to know my agenda, I own a small business and you can bet your ass I will fire employees for saying stupid shit to intentionally piss off customers.

>I will fire employees for saying stupid shit to intentionally piss off customers.
Nice strawman. The issue isn't that at all. Don't try to mix up what people say while working for you or using a company platform with what they do and say in their personal lives. As an employer you are purchasing their time while at work, not their entire lives, you greedy fuck.

Writers and journalists have a long history of using pseudonyms for exactly that reason. Posting shit all over social media with your name attached to it where everyone can see it isn't "your personal life" it's public activity, you know exactly what you're doing when you put it up there.

And the issue isn't that you say things I don't like, the issue is that you're trying to claim you should selectively get to decide what others hold you accountable for after the fact, which is a bullying tactic (i.e. censorship) and not free speech in the slightest. Look up "Streisand effect" for more on why you're a retard. The only greedy one here is you.

By your rationale only those who have no employer can truly have free speech. So just the homeless and the elite. Interesting. Because I'm willing to bet that even if they used pseudonyms, companies would still try to claim rights over their speech. If you pay me to make your widgets, then you get me, clocking in and making widgets. That's it.

Only hermits get free speech.

Yes, We Live In A Society. If you want to not abide the rules of society, build a cabin in the woods

No? It is also our duty to hold others accountable for their speech, including the homeless and the elite.

>If you pay me to make your widgets, then you get me, clocking in and making widgets.
That's fine, but if you become a public figure then you will forfeit this.
And I don't think I need to remind you of this, but facebook and twitter posts all are public.

Reminder that free speech = DEVALUED speech.

So you want to send yourself to a death camp desu? Thats pretty fucked up, but im a bit aroused to be true.

You are a fucking retard, get your smug, self-important ass off this board. While I dont agree 100% with these other posters, at least they have actual arguments and presented them like rational adults. You on the other hand is a whiny, disgusting piece of shit who is stuck in its pathetic little bubble. It always amuses me when I see a poster like you, who clearly fell for a /pol circlejerk (like exercising your free speech is supposed to be without any consequence) and still have the audacity to call others out for "not thinking for themself". Fucking automatons.

>wew
user was caught broswing that nazi webstive Jow Forums better fire him we live in a society after all