Did you fall for M.2 meme? Or do you still stick with SATA?
M.2: no established and well tested, tried and true RAID systems
SATA: many kinds of RAID systems continuing the legacy of SCSI systems, often from the same manufacturers who had been tinkering with SCSI since the year 1984
Would you simply abandon all this knowledge and step for the unknown wtih M.2?
>RAID Literally the most meme technology of all time.
Colton Evans
new thing bad
Julian Green
Back you /v/, you drooling retard.
Ayden Edwards
ur an idiot
Angel Hughes
I don't know in what context the average person has a RAID setup, but no I do not care enough about M.2 speeds to upgrade, but next time I build a system I might as well get the newest technology.
Caleb Morris
Yep.
I embraced change and strive for a culture of growth, so I tried out M.2, and it works completely fine without a single hiccup on any computer I've installed it on (4 now).
What's holding you back?
Lincoln Bailey
you outed yourself in the title, brainlet. m.2 is a form factor, not an interface. m.2 drives are either SATA or NVMe. NVMe is straight up many many times faster than SATA, too fast even to the point most motherboards will bottleneck NVMe drives by only having max x4 PCIE 3.0 lanes available per drive. That said, 99% of people do not need an NVMe drive.
David Powell
>RAID What exactly is the advantage for me as a private person? Who the FUCK uses RAID, at all?
Mason Kelly
its a meme
he reposts this same misunderstanding each time
Ethan Turner
well shit don't i have egg on my face now, fuck
Christopher Howard
>RAID Just use LVM stripe you literal brainlet
Isaiah Green
>Did you fall for M.2 meme? Or do you still stick with SATA? There are plenty of SATA M.2 cards. I use NVMe at work and it works well.
>M.2: no established and well tested, tried and true RAID systems M.2 isn't designed to be hot-swapped. There are however plenty of hot-swappable NVMe SSDs in U.2, Intel "Ruler" (EDSFF) and NF1 (M.3) form factors. Hardware RAID controllers are considered to be a poor choice for storage nowadays, with scalable storage such as Ceph being preferred, and ZFS being preferred as a more robust alternative to traditional RAID. That said, Broadcom makes NVMe hardware RAID controllers.
>SATA: many kinds of RAID systems continuing the legacy of SCSI systems, often from the same manufacturers who had been tinkering with SCSI since the year 1984 SATA is based on ATA, not SCSI.
Colton Robinson
>SATA is based on ATA, not SCSI
Irrelevant, the manufacturers are same For example 3WARE started with SCSI systems and then moved to SATA when SCSI seemed all but dead, they released their last and best stuff (hardware RAID controllers for SATA) 5 years ago I think
(but 3WARE is no longer on the game these days)
Logan White
M.2 is a form factor, retard.
Ryder Price
My dad uses raid 1 because he thinks one drive might fail. It once actually did, and he replaced it. Everything is backed up monthly now by me but my dad is still happy that it has RAID
Dylan Gutierrez
>0 >drive failed
It was Seagate HDD
Jonathan Brooks
There is no reason for a consumer to use RAID.
Isaac Wood
>Yeah bro, let me just put 2-3 SATA SSDs in RAID 0 to match the speed of a single NVMe drive. Surely this "tried and true" RAID system will keep your data safe.
Grayson Sanchez
M.2 is a form factor. NVMe is what you're thinking of. SATA can be M.2 too.
Nvme has less components and driver overhead. Also, how much bandwidth do you need, if you saturate 4GB/s?
Gavin Sullivan
I've been watching m.2, it's far more interesting with NVME around. I'll be going for a 1TB drive sometime in the future, to upgrade my 90GB one from a few years back.
Kevin Torres
No. M.2 is connection of the form factor as well. replacing mSATA. they are comparable. NVME is the controller & protocol for much faster speeds via the nands
>getting the 970 pro when the 970 evo plus is right about to come out Yikes
Ryan Moore
my laptop has an extra mini pcie slot, I guess intended for a second wifi card? what should I put into it now? I don't think they make mSATA hard drives anymore
>99% of people do not need an NVMe drive That's so fucking true, yes, it gives you a tingle to see those CrystalMark results but on a daily basis if you're a regular user you're not gonna get major difference, and also we better not talk about temperature, durability and the much, much, higher chance of failure than the SSDs
Christopher Wright
>falling for the Samsung meme Should have got an HP EX950 or AdataSX8200 Pro instead
Jordan Bennett
is this true?
Christian Stewart
I use raid 5 in a nas box to store company data, precious photos and porn, lots of porn
Adrian Cooper
M.2 NVME is just straight up PCIe. PCIe SSD's have been around almost as long as SATA SSD's. Technophobes like you are the sort who hemmed and hawed at SSD's when they first came to the market 10 years ago.
>HP EX950 or AdataSX8200 Pro Nah, I bought the 970 pro for 140 usd. Endurance is much higher than those TLC ssds.
Connor Cook
>t. el monstrosidad why do we let non-americans on Jow Forums?
Adam Rodriguez
/g loves cables makes their empty lives better
Jonathan Cook
About to get an pcie m.3 ssd.
Gabriel Rivera
The big advantage I see for M2 at this point in time is its size for really small computers that are needed to be more powerful than a smartphone but not as bulky as a full sized computer. That and for small form PCs.
David Walker
256GB NVMe SSD for the system. Literary same cost per GB as a proper SATA SSD, no reason not to populate the slot on your motherboard. Four 512GB SATA SSDs in RAID0 I got for a huge discount, just for local "muh games" storage.
Adam Jones
OP meant NVMe, because he was comparing it to SATA. You can have both SATA and NVMe in a M.2 slot.
Bentley Bailey
>m.2 vs sata the absolute state of Jow Forums
Andrew Cooper
it's on the internet so it must be
Evan Wright
>M.2: no established and well tested, tried and true RAID systems In fact the same thing as always: Linux md/dm RAID.
Never use shit-tier proprietary onboard RAID or other solutions like that. They often perform like trash. But even if they don't, you have no clue if they have good tools to handle problems, work on the next mainboard if yours breaks, and they probably have nowhere near the features of md/dm RAID.
Apart from that, uh, you don't tend to need RAID on PCIe SSD or even SATA SSD. For home use and even mid-sized enterprises, It's usually more useful to put them in a buffer cache in front of an array, and just run the array on HDDs.
Tyler Hall
why is there no mention of NVMe you nigger shit?
Camden Butler
I use raid 6 at home for nas
Josiah Bennett
>bought 970 evo >see this thread >check back my order to change it >it's already been shipped
>256GB NVMe SSD for the system. Literary same cost per GB as a proper SATA SSD, no reason not to populate the slot on your motherboard. this
Jackson Gray
The best configuration is cheap 240gb nvme then cheap 1tb SATA3 ssd.
Both are dirt cheap, it's like $200 total for both of those things now.
Robert Clark
All I know is these stick SSDs are pricier than the square SSDs and basically performance wise there's no difference for me.
Jace Lewis
Damn goy
Lucas Watson
What will I do with a 240gb nvmeme? That's a lot of space for C drive.
Noah Butler
>thinking RAID with regular SATA SSD's is a competing technology to NVME >thinking RAID is not an enterprises class technology to increase system availability >Thinking RAID will not destroy the low latency of SSD's >Thinking his shitty chipset raid functionality is comparable to a dedicated professional RAID controller.
Aaron Collins
Program, cache and temp Plus 240GB ones are cheaper per GB plus have better performance
Camden Williams
Where I live the 970 evo 250gb costs exactly half as much as a 1tb 860 evo my C drive never takes more than 35gb anyway
Wyatt Nguyen
Yes
And it's because the programs aren't designed with such high transfer speeds in mind. So they can't make full use of what's available. Maybe in 10 years NVME will start to be worth having over SATA, but right now it literally doesn't matter. You're paying extra money for no performance gain at all.
A 240GB Kingston TLC NVMe SSD costs like €3 more here than a 256GB Crucial MX500 TLC 2.5" SATA one of the same size, while a 512GB MX500 costs less than twice of the NVMe one. I think the point about "bigger ones are cheaper per GB" meant NVMe SSDs in their own category, like a 120GB one being more than half the price than a 240GB one.
Joseph Morgan
Aren't Kingston SSDs garbage?
Daniel Diaz
Sometimes no, sometimes yes. Kingston is considered garbage because they routinely change the NAND and controllers for a particular model to cheaper parts, usually a few months after reviews.
If you buy a Kingston drive within the first 3 months of release and it has good reviews, you should be fine. Don't buy any Kingston drive that has been on the market for more than 3 months (or better yet, don't buy them at all)
Josiah Perry
Yeah I'll jus get a 1tb 860 evo, it's the best value.
Levi Harris
Depends on the series of SSDs. A shitty Kingston can still be faster even after the cache is full than the fastest SATA SSD, with the added benefit of more IOPS.
You can download official specifications on their website that include NAND and controller information for a particular model. If you buy one and it turns out to be something else than stated there, feel free to sue them or return the drive.
Brandon Foster
>suing chinks Good luck.
Isaiah Wright
Kingston is a US company you dip.
Julian Turner
Load times in my games. The MMO I play took 90 seconds from desktop to playable game on a single 970 Pro but 70 seconds after I put them in RAID0. RAID0 for local storage for things like games is perfectly acceptable, specially if you can get better storage/value with additional speed out of it.
Gabriel Allen
Just put a m.2 on my z97 system, lost 2 sata ports and i shit myself thinking a HDD died. Everything is fine now, works great.
Evan Davis
It's not really about load times. That's the same retarded shit like "SSDs are for better boot times" 10 years ago. It's about general thruput, how well it handles under heavy disk access for example. Do these tests again while having several instances of small/big files copying. There's no way around the NVMe meme, price is no longer an issue, it uses less power / generates less heat and every motherboard already has a slot for at least one, while providing the same performance in the worst case scenario than SATA does at it's best. M.2. and U.2 are the future, like it or not. It's like people here are sometimes actively against progress, yet at the same time they fall for dumb Nvidia/Intel jewing memes.
>M.2 vs. SATA >A form factor vs. An interface Your next line will be "I was only pretending to be retarded"
Josiah White
You can still put your vidya and shit on your c:, steam can install to multiple drives. Commonly played games on nvme, lesser games on 1tb ssd.
The idea is you've shifted from ssd/hdd to nvme/ssd
Michael Rivera
what does raid have to do with the interface or form factor? you can even do raid over usb sticks.
Oliver Butler
will there be a virus which overheats nvme Samsung drives to the point of explodig?
lets see: virus overheats nvme, laptop in general starts to get heatenings, then CPU takes all cores into maximum, thoughj one thread is deserved to keeping nvme constantly at 100% instead of loading only CPU, the battery may eventually explode thus bringing great victory to virus author
Austin Jenkins
Sure, but only if you use GNU/Linux. Since nothing else will give you that low level of access.
Lincoln Rogers
Boot and application launch times were drastically improved when I moved from an 860 to a 970 NVMe.
Remember kids, m.2 is a form factor.
Easton Collins
i just wanted to meme up my boot times
Charles Fisher
Bullshit, crucial mx500 sata is (even the m.2) is £120 for 1tb, there is a crucial NVME drive for the same cost that's qlc and therefore trash. There's no parity yet on tlc stuff.
Jason Powell
What are you even trying to say? Did you even read the whole thread before posting?
Juan Evans
>m.2 NVMe drive boot drive, some vidya, and scratch disk for editing
>SATA3 SSD more vidya, essential programs, media storage to be edited
>SATA3 HDD mass storage, edited media, etc
Caleb Bailey
>M.2: no established and well tested, tried and true RAID systems Well... Sort of. For giggles I tried to run an NVME raid 0 setup since my motherboard had full x4 bandwidth from both NVME slots. I've been running it for about 4 months now and can confirm that it was a -stupid- idea. NVME raid is a little bit goofy. My boot times are very random (Sometimes 15 seconds, sometimes two minutes. No rhyme or reason why) and software raid is -very- delicate in general. If a brownout hit my area my partition would be toast but I'm too damned lazy to buy a UPS so I'm playing russian roulette with 2 bullets in the gun. But hey, At least the numbers look good.
If you had a riser card, zero fucks to give and more money than brains, A raid 10 NVME array could be work well for video editing but you'd never notice it for anything else.