Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ >How to assemble a PC youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-9700k/8700k - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti | If you can't afford to spend 350 dollar on a CPU go with AMD. >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3400CL16 is ideal >All AMD chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >GTX 1060, RX 570, RX 580 are standard choices for older, less demanding or very well optimized titles >RTX 2060 thanks to 6gb vram only good for 1080p or as a short-term solution; consider 1070/Ti or Vega56 ONLY if on sale 1440p >RTX 2070; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56 ONLY if on sale >RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 is the standard choice but Vega7 launch is soon so better wait >RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless >rentry.co/pcbg-more
I had some questions left from previous thread; 1) is 650W overkill for my build? 2) is msi mortar recommended over asrock? 3) is m2 much better than regular ssd? 4) does rx580 still have a good couple of years in it for 1080p or is it starting to struggle at 60fps with new games?
Also, when overclocking my CPU, do I have to touch my RAM at all? In the past when I tried to enable my RAM's XMP profile it wouldn't boot, and when I tried even the slightest manual overclocks, it wouldn't boot... So I just had to leave it at the stock 2133MHz. CPU is a 6600k on a Z170 board.
Easton Ross
So I built my first unit this summer, and I love it. But I'm wondering if I'm not maximizing the cooling potential. I've got a ryzen 2600 running at 3.4ghz (1.025v), and it idles around 47-50C. Cooler is a coolermaster g100m (the ufo lookin one) and case is a thermaltake suppressor f1 (200mm fan in front, 2x 80mm in back). I'm not really keen on replacing the cpu cooler because I like it, but I feel like this is hot for what I'm doing.
I'm honestly considering putting some holes in the front panel of the case to really utilize the 200mm in front. Is this stupid, or should I swallow my pride and change cpu cooler
Wyatt Kelly
LG is brighter and has higher contrast
Logan Robinson
Thanks fren
Isaiah Ortiz
WD Blue 500gb M.2 SSD = $68 Is it trash or is it "good enough" for most uses?
Ayden Flores
1. Sort of, It's probably better to step down a bit to get a fill modular unit. You would be fine with 550 or even 450W 2. I would say so, but only because the Pro4 is meant to be the cheapest board on AM4 3. It's the same unless you buy NVMe specifically (uses PCIe lanes and has an newer protocol) which can be better but is usually not worth it 4. Yes, but it always depends on the game Also, post the link you dummy The 590 is very similar to the 580 and 480, in terms of core design it's functionally identical Vega would be the next step up over a 580 The LG seems to be better, but it costs like double so I'm not sure why you would do that Also, why get VA over IPS?
>why get VA over IPS? brighter and higher contrast, no glow
Oliver Wilson
Is this good? Would I be better off waiting for navi/zen2? pcpartpicker.com/list/9RRZ7W My budget is $1300-$1500, I have never made a build before and [spoiler]some pieces are weird because that what I can get at a decent price in tacoland[/spoiler]
Carbon copy of my build 2600 d14 mortar 2x8gb 3200 cl 16 SSD rx580 bequiet 650w SP11 fractial case
Nathaniel Lee
> 750 W PSU Whoah man
Angel Taylor
Not bad, but it isn't worth getting an SSD under 500GB so you should probably ditch the HDD entirely and focus on solid state Also, don't buy the tower cooler if you aren't overclocking.
Kayden Myers
that PSU is fine, Seasonic is elder god tier of PSUs. you will love it for years to come. msi and asrock are the same in my book if you're comparing sata m.2 with regular sata ssd then they should perform about the same except the m.2 drive will conserve a sata port on your board
I will probably need it anyway beacuse it gets FUCKING HOT where i live
To be honest i dont know what the fuck i am doing with this, so what do you recommend?
Dominic Gomez
(You) To be honest i dont know what the fuck i am doing with this, so what do you recommend? go for a lower wattage PSU but higher rating ie Silver or Gold. look for a HDD with 7200rpm unless you can squeeze the budget for a 500gb SSD -they usually go for around 75 bucks
Jaxon Clark
>The LG seems to be better, but it costs like double so I'm not sure why you would do that >Also, why get VA over IPS?
The LG is for sale at Costco for only $350.
And because a 144hz 1440p IPS display is like $500+...
I'm not an artist, I'm not a content creator... I'm just a gaymer, slightly better color accuracy isn't worth $150 to me.
Julian Williams
ignore him, 750w is fine. It's 2019 ffs get a tier 1 psu
Daniel Sanchez
Neck yourself, seriously >1440p at 32" >curvedshit literally SAVE SOME FUCKING MONEY AND GET AN XB271HU YOU MONKEY thank me later
>pcpartpicker.com/list/9RRZ7W Games are starting to use more than 6gigs of vram. (Apex Legends does and The Division 2 will) so I would go for a 1070ti, but the 2060 is great if you're going to play on medium texture filtering. Then again all of the 1070tis cost way too much so 2060 is probably best best. Your build is powerful enough to go beyond 144 hz in games so I would get the xb241h at 180hz. I'm not going to pretend on know whether or not the thermaltake fan is better than a noctua, but the noctua is praised so I changed that. Also you should go for a bit larger of an ssd imo. Then just wait for zen 2 and upgrade with the rest of the cash after selling the 2600x and it should be a great setup
The monitor you just recommended is literally twice as expensive.
Benjamin Torres
Please stop spreading this lie, 6gb of VRAM is more than enough for 1080p. Also, it will be for the next 3 years.
Charles Jenkins
What are the chances that nvidia does a 1770ti and 1880ti as well?
Oliver White
not a lie youtube.com/watch?v=V_Je1KukX1k See how apex legends uses more than 6 gigs of vram when he drops? It's actually been a deciding factor in recommending the 580 over the 1060. The game bottlenecks with 6 gigs of vram
Matthew Hernandez
Monitors are a one time purchase for many, many years. At least look for a 27" 1440p panel, even TNshit. The Dell S2716DG is quite good
Liam Thomas
Question: my motherboard has 6 SATA slots on it. When I install an m.2 card, it uses 1 of those slots. When I install a second, it uses an additional 2 of those slots. Ideally, I'd like to use both m.2 cards on this motherboard, and I have 4 additional HDDs I want to hook up as well (which is 1 too many SATA slots).
How should I go about doing this, and what is the better way? My initial thoughts are either to hook a HDD up to a USB or PCIE slot instead of a SATA connection, or to hook an m.2 up to a USB or PCIE slot. My old m.2 doesn't appear to be compatible with many PCIE m.2 adapters out there so I'm not sure if that's an option at all.
no offense, but you should read upon memory allocation vs memory usage. Give this a watch : youtu.be/pfnzHA3-MhM
Julian Garcia
For gaming VA is probably the worst panel type because of lackluster pixel response $350 isn't a bad price, but you get what you pay for and that's not as much as they make it out to be 750W bronze is like 20 gallons of kool aid. You get a lot, but is it really that great? Also the current year has nothing to do with it, 750W units have been around for a good while but nobody has ever needed that much Nope, that would kill RTX which they are trying to shill as much as possible
Is Fry's Electronics a good place to shop if you don't want to use Amazon? I'm looking for places I can shop for computer parts and peripherals here in southern California.
Josiah Russell
built mine with an evga 1070 sc black for high refresh 1080p gaming
how high refresh can I go on 1440p with this card? 2600 processor and 16gb of 3200mhz if that makes a difference
im all for drilling holes if it makes sense. may want to look into a 200mm fan upgrade first tho
Julian Jackson
>Nope, that would kill RTX which they are trying to shill as much as possible
Then will Nvidia's next big gpu be, because I'm going to grab a 1660ti, but it's not good for 1440p, right? And the RTX is a meme. And you guys says that amd is terrible for gpus.
That's what I originally had, I returned that shit within days of getting it.
The color banding was atrocious and it suffered from extreme pixel inversion to where basically anything made up of straight lines, whether on the desktop or straight geometry in games looked like it was covered in lines of pixels.
Kevin Campbell
The difference between what he describes in the games he tests there and apex legends is that there is a noticeable dip in performance within apex legends. Let me be clear that you can set the vram usage in apex legends from 4 gigs, 6 gigs, and 8 gigs. I think the benchmarker set both the 580 and the 1060 to insane (8 gigs) texture filtering in apex legends so the software thought the card had more gigs than it actually had, slowing down performance. It's true that even I usually use around 4 gigs of vram for the games I play even though I have a 1070ti, but I don't know whether or not the guy wanted to play apex legends or the division 2 so I warned him about how he couldn't use full ultra in those games. (not that he would even want to since you can't even hit a high refresh rate on medium settings)
Bentley White
Use the SanDisk in the native M.2 slot and use the Samsung in an M.2 to PCIe adapter, ideally one of the 4+4+4+4 so you can expand into a RAID array (and also better cooling). The 1660 Ti should be good for 1440p. We'll be stuck with the current RTX/GTX divide until they optimize RTX for what it's supposed to do in maybe a year or more, so don't expect much too soon. AMD isn't terrible but they don't currently have the ability to compete with NVIDIA past the RX 580, Vega is fine but costs too much compared to the GTX cards
Hudson Kelly
thanks, but the fact that i have to buy all of this from some shitty mexican store leaves me with limited options for parts, unless i want to pay an arm and a leg on amazon or something, so ill see if i can get the noctua, but all 1440p monitors have a massively inflated price there.
Zachary James
>MFW i bought a 1070TI for 350€ before the 2060 got announced >MFW some benchmarks shows a 2-4 FPS increase on the 2060 but its worthless for 1440p because 6GB of VRAM feels good man
>The 1660 Ti should be good for 1440p. We'll be stuck with the current RTX/GTX divide until they optimize RTX for what it's supposed to do in maybe a year or more, so don't expect much too soon. AMD isn't terrible but they don't currently have the ability to compete with NVIDIA past the RX 580, Vega is fine but costs too much compared to the GTX cards
What about that AMD Navi gpu that is supposedly a gtx 1080 for $250? Is AMD going to fuck that up?
Luke Parker
oh well, get a VA type 27" panel, if that exists. Or pony up for an XB271HU.
Adrian Rogers
Yeah NP friend. I think you did a great job for your location. I can only go off by the numbers I have on pcpartpicker so I don't really know your full story
Levi Bell
The 6gb vram hasn't shown any performance degradation at 4k max settings in any games yet afaik
Oliver Martinez
How much is my build worth to sell to someone? $1,500?
I'm trying to downsize and I plan to do a new build later this year.
>computer stops turning on >computer repairs guy can't figure it out >it's not the psu What do
Joseph Davis
best 1080p 60fps ultra gpu? 1060, 1070?
Mason Robinson
>pcpartpicker.com/list/RVdKD2 I would sell this slightly below a prebuilt. What's similar to this is the 1500 HP Omen Obilesk so sell it at 1400?
James Lopez
For Nitro, 590 seems to be around $100 more in Australia, plus my understanding is that it’s more power hungry for negligible performance gain. I’m going for a balanced budget build - figured the 570 was just a bit too lacking in headroom. If I were going to spend more for a longer lasting card, it’d be the 2060, but I’m not sure it’s worth it for my needs. Thoughts?
Cameron Taylor
GTX 1660 Ti
Chase Ortiz
>Use the SanDisk in the native M.2 slot and use the Samsung in an M.2 to PCIe adapter
I don't know why I didn't think of this. In the meantime I did find amazon.com/dp/B07L4LF4G6/ which appears to support B+M unlike many adapters. Still looking into it to see if it will work. Does it make a difference if I move a hdd or m.2 to a pci slot, e.g. performance or thermal-wise?
Brandon Reyes
Did you build it? Are you happy with it?
Henry Moore
1070 or 590 imo
Connor Perez
limiting the 2060 to 6GB is ridiculous IMO, it performs as well as the 1070Ti for about the same price maybe it wont be a problem now but when the next gen consoles drops and we see a spike in games requirements like last time in 2013, it will become a bottleneck
Zachary Long
>build is supposed to be at 1200 burgers >it costs 300 dollars extra here >even after several discounts >limited to only certain parts because fuck you
Dead z68 guy from last thread I asked around and find out even z77 has problem with rtx2060 So I ordered ryzen 2600x + Asrock B450 Pro4 + 2x8GB DDR4 3200 on a whim in the middle of boring long corporate meeting Will I regret this ?
Jacob Green
Ok, I get you, but I would not advise people against the 2060 for 1080p based on VRAM. I am not trying to shill for Nvidia, but the 580 cannot stand up to it while the VEGA, although competitive, is much more pricy in european countries. ( except for some cheap variants like the SAPPHIRE made one )
Kayden Miller
Going to re-ask Whats the best case that has: -At least 3 3.5 HDD cages -Has good airflow options (Think meshify C) -ATX support -can be purchased
Aaron Thomas
RX590 is overpriced for how little performance boost it offers over the 580, the tdp also increases like crazy and again for around 1-2 FPS increase, i recommend the RX580, its the best price/performace card right now
Blake Mitchell
You'll get roughly half the performance at 1440p compared to 1080p if you don't factor in a CPU bottleneck. If you did have one you may get closer to 2/3 at 1440p I would say around $1,200, considering you would need to buy a new cooler and motherboard to do any CPU and RAM overclocking Keep your SATA drives on SATA; they get no benefit from PCIe. Another solution would be to use your SATA SSD in an M.2 to 2.5" SATA adapter. The advantage would probably be a little cheaper and it would save a PCIe slot
That's true but if you're expecting to play games at max settings in 2 years on a midrange card, no matter how much vram you have you're going to have a bad time.
Chase Thomas
I'm not advising for him to go for a 580 over a 2060, I thought there were still 1070tis at $370 before I looked and then told him the 2060 was the best buy. I had just spent the day recommending my friend why he should get a 580 over a 1060 for apex legends so i'm still caught up in it. RIP
Caleb Jones
True. the 580 is a better deal, but it can hit 60fps consistently on high in triple AAA games, but can't always do ultra. The only reason why i recommended the 590 is because it gets over the ultra hoop from what i've seen.
Bentley Reed
even then i can still overclock and get basically 1080 performance, vram bottleneck is a worse scenario imo
Zachary Taylor
What’s likely to crop up more in future; The general performance limits of the 580 or the vram limits of the 2060? I presume the former but it still begs the question of whether the 2060 is worth the extra sheckels
Leo Clark
Where can I get the a noctua nh-d15 se-am4 for the cheapest in the US? Shipping time could take weeks for all I care
At 1080p, the 580 However, the 2060 is retarded. The RTX won't work even if it did anything and the rest of the card is fine but not for the price Wait for the 1660 Ti or go with the 580 8GB
Christopher Long
Why is OP recommending the RTX 2060 when it is such a controversial card?
Hunter Perry
Definitely performance limits. VRAM is a dumb boogieman that you can make completely go away with settings tweaks even in extreme situations like the 4gb fury cards or 3gb 1060. Also people dont really understand correctly what causes the "bare minimum" VRAM to move along, it isn't complexity of games or a new gen of consoles, it's purely marketshare. Devs just take a look at what the top 20, 50 and/or 80% of systems have for specs and optimise (or fail to optimise) for that. As long as there's still a lot of people with 6gb cards, devs will target that. you're only in trouble whenever nvidia actually increases the VRAM on their GPUs because they have the market share, no one gives a shit what AMD is doing
Michael Butler
No man, just have a nicely cooled case.and keep those RAM frequencies high, Ryzen loves that stuff. The 2600x will run a bit hotter than the 2600, so try and stay safe with cooling.
Lincoln Cooper
yeah man, definitly happy. runs games sweet. Im waiting for the release of Ryzen 2 so I can pick up a 7nm cpu
Jeremiah Edwards
OP is kinda stupid but there are also very few options between the 580 and 2070 which are very different in terms of performance
How is it controversial? It seems like a great card, just $50, maybe $100 too expensive, but the 2070 and 2080 are both AT LEAST $100 overpriced.
Right now, every fucking GPU is controversial because AMD is charging just as much and isn't as powerful, while Nvidia is overcharging because they know they can.
Jonathan Garcia
Because some people are retarded or have ulterior motives. The information is out there, I'm not going to tell you which is which. If you want to not spend any time on it just do whatever someone tells you here, you're not going to be led too wrong, you might just spend a bit more than you intended or get something a little slower than you would have otherwise.
Sebastian Howard
Performance limits. This guy tells it like it is. If you fucking push every extreme setting you might manage to make even an 8gb choke. ( of course, the 580 will sink sooner due to being weaker overall )
Elijah Nguyen
Bros, I need help. A guy on kijiji is selling a Zotac 1060 6GB for $240. No receipt. Says it's fine and bought it 6 months ago, but just doesn't use it to its potential now. What do? I'm a poorfag right now so not having a warranty worries me.
Landon Hernandez
I wanna build a powerhouse machine but I cant decide on the form factor. Is there ANY reason to get ATX over micro ATX or micro ITX? I only plan on using 1 PCI-e slot and I can probably make do with 2 DIMM slots, but 4 would be better.
That being said, is there any real reason to go with a size larger than I need? I plan on overclocking and having a high end build.
9900k, 16GB @ 4000mhz RAM, and a RTX 2060
Mason Martinez
>keep those RAM frequencies high Almost ordered corsair 2666 but then I read ryzen loves high frequency RAM, so I ordered generic 3200 with the same price and warranty
Joseph Robinson
Don't, that is not even that cheap. He might be lying. If you really want it, try and get it for 160-180$ so the risk is worth it.
Jeremiah Butler
Thanks. I think you're right. Also, it's $240 Canadian, in case that wasn't clear and if it changes your opinion.
Austin Roberts
First build is the best and not sure why you want one so small but here you go pcpartpicker.com/product/D7hj4D/acer-monitor-umkg7aa002 You can buy a 580 8GB for $180 lmao Smaller form factors generally have suboptimal VRM layouts which is VERY important for the 9900K Also, why the fuck would you use a 9900K with a 2060? And 4GHz memory is a waste of time. Buy a CAS 15-16 3600MHz and overclock that
For a 9900K, you'll want quality VRMs or you wont be able to overclock or worst case, will get throttling at stock. Good VRM setups are usually only on the ATX boards Also >9900K + 2060 What the hell are you doing?
Angel Powell
>not sure why you want one so small Limited desk space, to be honest. Also, my original build or the first variant?
Elijah Morgan
youtube.com/watch?v=Xidus1de4s0 Here's some reinforcing to that statement. You might have been able to OC the corsairs up to 3000, but I'm not that savy when it comes to XMP.
Christopher Hill
Different user with a question. How bad do IPS screens burn in? Say if I'm playing a game for 3+ hours and somewhere on the in-game UI is a frozen design then will there be a burn-in of that image and if so how long do they last?
>pcpartpicker.com/list/3JQTgw perfectly fine, consider Mortar for the better VRM's but other than that you are golden.
Charles Butler
I'm european and I can get a brand new 1060 6gb for 200$ US ( mostly the Gigabyte version ) if I'm buying resealed stuff ( I'd image you can get it for less ). That's what I would also advise you, look out for something resealed if that's available for you. ( maybe it's not a thing there ? ) . Being without a warranty is always a gamble, it's also really weird for that guy to be using it for 6 months and having none. As someone suggested, you could also get a new 580 if Nvidia techs are not important for you.
Jonathan Davis
Original build. 2080 isn't worth the price increase and the SSD+PSU are higher quality which is important because you don't necessarily need to upgrade either like you would with other components Ghosting can happen on any LCD but it's a temporary issue that's easy to fix It's unlikely to happen anyway, so don't worry too hard. True burn-in is only a real problem on CRT and OLED Get more RAM if you can. Otherwise, it's solid.
