Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K or i7 9700K - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti >R7 2700/X or i9 9900K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >8GB RX 570, RX 580, and GTX 1060 are standard choices >RTX 2060 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >RTX 2060 is standard >RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 is standard >RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless >rentry.co/pcbg-more
Whats the point of intel optaine memory? should i even have it installed?
Easton Baker
whats the difference between TUF-Z390-PLUS-GAMING-WI-FI vs TUF-Z390-PLUS-GAMING-WI-FI
Levi Morgan
That anyone is building Intel based systems at the moment is surprising but it completely unbelievable that a person that considers themselves a tech person would be doing anything other than going all in on AMD.
Getting some parts on Tuesday, should I review the manuals for each of the parts while I wait for the other or save it all for when it’s a complete package?
Kevin Cook
Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ >How to assemble a PC youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-9700k/8700k - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti | If you can't afford to spend 350 dollar on a CPU go with AMD. >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3400CL16 is ideal >All AMD chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >GTX 1060, RX 570, RX 580 for older or less demanding titles >RTX 2060 thanks to 6gb VRAM is only good as a short-term solution; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56 1440p >RTX 2070; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56 ONLY if on sale >RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerate and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4k) >RTX 2080 >RTX 2080 Ti is better, but very expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless >rentry.co/pcbg-more
Which 2080 Ti will give me the best blend of performance, quiet/silence, temperature, and power consumption? There's about 20 versions of the same GPU. I don't care about the price I just want something that won't sound like a helicopter and don't want my GPU to light on fire.
Reminder you can get a 2700x and a solid mobo for $350 from microcentre. $300 for a 2600x
Sebastian Powell
If you needed it or wanted it, you'd know. Optane memory is not too relevant in 2019 anymore. If you have a SSD, you wouldn't notice the difference and if you do not have one, the money would be better invested in a SSD instead.
What the hell is Pixio supposed to be? That is some chinese company pretending to be a brand. You most likely won't get any support and the product might have weird flaws. There is no reason to purchase this over a Dell or iiyama monitor. Don't get this crap, you only purchase a screen once every 7-10 years at the most, do you think saving a few bucks makes sense?
Keep the 8400 from the cheaper build but pair it with 16GB of memory and a 2070 (or 2080, for the 27", maybe better to get a used 1080(ti) cheaper).
Get a mainboard based on the features you need, Z370 is good but if you don't need Wifi, don't get a special version with Wifi. (Since one has Wifi and the other doesn't, I am assuming you do not actually need it). You are just paying extra for unused features.
Maybe switch out the GPU for Seasonic, I do not know Rosewill and they are rarely reviewed anywhere. You don't wanna purchase a nasty surprise...
Switch out the SSD at least for a Crucial P1. Upgrade to 1TB. Same 5 year warranty, and really good value, but write speeds of 1.6GB/s instead of 550MB/s. (Check that the mainboard has at least one M2 slot where it says PCIe or NVMe support!)
That build will sit in between the two when it comes to pricing and still be good enough for gaming on the 27" screen, with at least the benefit of faster storage.
James Murphy
just pick one faggot
Isaac Hall
>>What the hell is Pixio supposed to be? Aren't they like an established high end japanese brand that has mostly focused on commercial monitors?
Camden Gonzalez
this faggot thinks OLEDs won't burn in unless you play the same shit 24/7
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd86ZR Finished this build and she’s al put together and beautiful. What should be my next upgrade/addition? Thinking of a 4tb HDD or a second m2 SSD.
Also, I’m finding I can’t hit the same benchmarks for 1080ti as a lot I see online. Would this be my 2600 throttling my gpu? Would OCing my cpu help in anyway? Gpu is already OC’d cia MSI afterburner
Gonna be using this monitor. Gaming and video editing.
Carter King
>What the hell is Pixio supposed to be? Some youtuber(s) recommended it. I'm in the market for a VA/IPS panel that won't break the bank so I can have two and most importantly is FLAT.
What I'm looking for: >VA/IPS panel >Flat >27'' - 32'' >1440p >75-144hz w / adaptive or gsync >fast response time >$500 or less so I can get two
I'm having such a hard time finding this. Best thing I found was a 27 inch that checked all of those boxes except one: 1080p on a 27 inch monitor which is retarded.
picked this up a few months ago, works pretty flawlessly, response feels pretty good with motion blur reduction although my old IPS display is noticeably brighter.
Jason Kelly
>XB271HU
I can't take you seriously. Stop recommending this ricer trash.
Brayden Stewart
>judging by appearance why don't you buy a TN panel, dipshit? They're plenty cheap.
Jayden Roberts
Idk
Alexander Evans
I've used my current TN 16:10 monitor for 10 years straight. No more TN for me. Give me good colours for my work and for when I play some gaymes.
Thanks. This one seems great so far. If I buy this one then the only question remains is should I get a 2080 or radeon vii to power it. Probably the former, but I don't care for ray tracing (isn't supported for my current version of windows anyway).
Easton Cooper
Well then get the XB271HU. You can get a different stand for it. It has slimmer bezels than other 1440p 144hz panels and has less chance of severe BLB or anything. Specs wise, it's just great. I switched the stand out on my one and it looks just like my old Dell monitor.
Colton Bailey
I'll look at it again thank you. Only problem is being locked into Nvidia for 10 years. Who knows where AMD/Nvidia is in say 5 years. It could be like 2008ish again when AMD was dominating because fermi was a load of shit.
Justin Hall
Bump
Juan Nguyen
Bump
Cameron Walker
OP why would you ever recommend 9700k in this day and age?
Parker Russell
You expect any good to come from Radeon? They haven't been relevant for top resolution gayming since 2011 or so. Either way, it's not like Nvidia cards will fall off a cliff after a few years. It just werks, go for it.
Juan Diaz
>I’m finding I can’t hit the same benchmarks for 1080ti as a lot I see online. Are you using the same exact settings with a very similar build? How far behind are your benchmarks? OCing a CPU in this day and age can only go so far but since you have liquid cooling (and its winter time if you are not a BR or aussie) there's no reason not to go at least 4.0 ghz with your cpu.
>What should be my next upgrade/addition? Nothing. Grab a 1 tb samsung ssd if you need to space. If you're a fag who collects tons of movies and porn then grab two big ass HDDs and do a RAID 1.
Anthony Russell
pcpartpicker.com/list/VPqBRJ >500gb win & arch drives with 500gb backups (SSD) >8TB RAID media storage (HDD) >8k/2 sum display >Brandfagging
Blake Brooks
its performance is lower than ryzen in everything
Camden Fisher
Switch to a NVMe M2 drive like the Crucial P1 for much faster write speeds. Why do people insist on SATA and 2.5" in 2019...
You are comparing the 8400 to a slightly more expensive CPU that is also overclocked already. Of course it can be 7% faster on average then. How does that make the 8400 a bad choice?
Startech has one, and it is sold on most websites, including amazon.
...Higher base and slightly higher boost clock? Depending on what you do you might or might not notice it. If it's for gaming, you won't notice the difference.
Monitor looks ok although a bit expensive for what it does. I'd do at least the 2070. Read some reviews, but the 2060 is 1080p territory.
Why don't you get one bigger (32" or 40") 4K screen instead? For 1000 bucks you can do that. No need to get 2 crippled ones....
Why so many monitors instead of 2x 4K? The VII will be pretty loud since it gets hot due to drawing a lot of power, so keep in mind it will be noisy as hell when gaming.
Not sure why you have to split your storage in 4 SSDs, just get 2x 1TB NVMe ones like the Crucial P1, or wait for its 2TB release...
Christopher Kelly
Is the R5 2600X worth $35 over the 2600? Also when do you expect DDR4 prices to bottom?
>Why do people insist on SATA and 2.5" in 2019... they cost less you imbecile. For normies, there's no need for NVMeme.
Ayden Jenkins
No Middle of the year for america, maybe later for other regions. Dont leave it too late though. When the next consoles launch and phones start to ramp up RAM capacity again the prices will probably increase
Alexander Cook
Thanks. Probably won't wait for the price drop then.
Also just noticed the i5 9400F at $223 >Only sold with complete builds why
Carter Green
Which 2070 should I get? Armor, Windforce 3X or Palit Dual?
Mason Harris
youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=69 Watch it. >ASus crosshair 7 hero >4.2 overclock using aggressively turned G.skill sniper X 3400Mhz with tightened sub-timings >and the cooler has been upgrade to the Corsair H115i Pro
THAT is what was used to get the performance benchmarks you keep posting each time without context. Not only are yo downplaying the components used, but also their price.
Again if all of this escaped you, here is the man who made the benchmark, saying it CLEAR as cryztal
youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=1442 >Given that the intel CPU was over all faster this makes it better value choice for gamers. >At the very least the OC Ryzen build will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you will need a high quality motherboard and some premium Samsung B-die.
>I've used my current TN 16:10 monitor for 10 years straight. No more TN for me. Give me good colours for my work and for when I play some gaymes. oh look youtube.com/watch?v=R2WP5nLFMk8
Anthony Russell
Palit.
Leo Turner
Need non fanboy opinion on as to whether I should go with a $1050aud rtx 2080 or the radeon vii for $1149aud ?
Zachary Gonzalez
Nice to see the XB271HU hold its own.
Connor Richardson
even without knowing what you are going to use it for, I would suggest 2080 with a decent cooling solution. The radeon 7 is fucking loud. Other than that you should look at what kind of workloads you will use it for.
Ryan Martinez
Do I still have to care what RAM I buy for AMD builds?
Elijah Kelly
Please fuck off. Are you trolling?
Hudson James
I said non fanboy
Xavier Nguyen
Can you even find a radeon 7 to buy? it's sold out everywhere i checked
Angel Fisher
Yes i can, they arrive on friday.
Thomas Scott
yes, if youre on a budget aim for 2933 CL14
Jaxson Perez
What about the whole B-die thing? Is $160 for 3200MHz C16 too much?
Ian Carter
depends, there's a chance that your 2600 won't reach 4.0 stable or you'll have to watercool it for that - not worth the 35 bucks saved if you ask me
Asher Hernandez
Unless thats some faker country dollar, yes. that's way too much for CL16
Adam Evans
Is there lower CL 3200 RAM? I can't find anything cheaper
Jace Rivera
The MX500 1TB costs 130 Euro right now and the Crucial P1 NVMeme 150 with the price falling down to 140 Euro sometimes. That is a 10-20 bucks difference between 550MB/s and 1.6GB/s write speed.
Read reviews, really.
Depends on what you need. Purely for gaming the 2080 is better. The VII draws more power, gets hotter and is probably the noisiest card on the market right now. But if you want to avoid Nvidia for some reason, the VII is good enough for casual 4K gaming. And for other workloads it might perform better (go read a review, most mention it).
The VII is noisier and more expensive and slower, so overall not a great deal sadly. Hopefully prices come down a bit since it will sell badly, but then you'd need to watercool it to have a silent system. So in a few weeks or months it might be a good choice for some people. Right now you'd have to hate Nvidia to do that. Or use a Hackintosh, since Nvidia isn't supported anymore.
I want to support AMD with my money but ever since upgrading to 4K, I can't purchase their stuff anymore because it is too slow. The VII can do 4K gaming now, but it's as slow as my 3 year old 1080 (watercooled and overclocked), and by the time I'll want something faster there probably is no offering from AMD, again. :(
Anyone here have a NZXT H500? I've heard that the case is designed to run at negative pressure leaving the 2 stock exhaust fans as it is and that adding 2 front intake fans actually raise temperatures. Planning to OC my 2600 with a hyper 212.
Adam Davis
I am of the same feeling. I want to support amd gpus, but they just quite aren't there yet. I am not a fanboy in the least.
Christopher Clark
I wouldn't get the 2080 or the VII to be honest - the 20 series failures make me wonder what kind of quality control Nvidia really has. If I didn't already have a 1080, I'd get a used 1080ti now, at least that's a solid choice. In my opinion, all current highend cards are overpriced. The only nice deals are cheap 570s and 580s and those are aged old architectures that aren't good for more than 1080p gaming anyways.
Convince me to not do it. I already have a gpu and hdd, and I have all of $140 to spend.
Carson Stewart
>the same faggot that shills the 8400 non stop is also the mouthbreather that thinks that 4 ms matters for gaming what a shock, a retard has shit opinions
>t. super human that can see a 3 ms difference in monitors, has golden ears with as hearing range up to 100,000 hz kys you stupid faggot no one will notice 6 ms vs 2 ms response times, what people will notice is that TN is cheap washed out shit youtube.com/watch?v=ztrUu0DoIEU
Owen Barnes
Response time isn't input lag, it's how long it takes the pixels to change on command. Low response times lead to clearer images in motion, slow response times lead to smudgy motion and can cause weird color or light effects on particular transitions if the screen is particularly dodgy.
Nicholas Martinez
What scares me is that I truly don't know if you are actually this retarded that you can't tell you are. Or if you are retarded enough to think trolling is cool, but not retarded enough to believe that shit.
To add to this, by his retarded logic, people would not be able to perceive above 4 frames per second. Because it's "below their reaction time"
Again this idea is just so retarded that I have to hope, that the person is trolling and not just a sub 70 IQ nigger.
Bentley Lopez
>muh superhuman reaction time >muh frametime = reaction time
Landon Johnson
>clearer images in motion turn your head real fast and tell me what happens, its not going to be clear retard, motion blur on ips/va is not perceivable
Gavin Perez
not reaction time, that would be 15 frames in a second to line something up preferably 4 times a second at 60 fps
Jacob Jones
i have that case and also heard the same thing. all i can say that for now the temps are fine with the stock config. i will replace the fans with NZXT RGB ones, for aesthetic purposes, however.
Alexander Hughes
>things that happen in low ms such as 1ms vs 10ms are inperceptible because of reactions time here is proof that average reaction times are 273ms >okay here, using your logic, frametime graphs which show how long each frame took to put out >as you can see people can easily perceive the difference between 33.3ms(30fps) and 16.7ms(60fps) anybody going for 120fps will be dealing with 8.3ms.
>muh shitpost about superhumans I guess if you wanted to convince people that you are retarded, well done. But that's where this "discussion" ends.
I know you are the retard from above but just to BTFO you for one last time, there is easily objective proof that motion blur on monitors is different and it has been recorded as proof.
Daniel Garcia
If I turn my eyes or head fast while focussing on something it stays clear though. Even scrolling in this browser right now is making text turn into a smudge on my tablet screen
Juan Parker
30 fps has no more input lag than 60 retard and if one frame out of 60 were just issing you would not notice it i guess crts were unusable back in the day because camera eyes here could see the flicker youtube.com/watch?v=JGruhqs16lA not that you are even old enough to have ever seen a crt, again keep thinking 2 ms is a selling point over tn looking like complete ass
