Why is Europe a fucking joke in IT? They have maybe 3 players in the tech market and most of them are dinosaurs...

Well you'd think more independant countries would produce more varying results but they all suck exactly the same

That is simply not true. There are countries that have considerable amounts of IT startups and have decently high odds of succeeding. (Germany, England, Sweden, Denmark, and The Netherlands quickly come to mind.)

Australian here. If you want to see a real tech backwater look no further. Our corrupt-as-fuck government even screwed up our one chance at getting something decent happening.

I've yet to see someone name any actual players in the market from europe

European Co.s get hampered by regulations, rules and consumer protection laws. Burger Co.s DGAF, can sell their marks any ole Chink half-built, falling apart dangerously incompetent crap, whilst buying up and shutting down any competition (ala Nokia) with an impunity that would make La Coasa Nostra blush. Eu Tech thrives in areas Burger Co.s ignore as too complicated or not enough easy pickings, specialist boards like Pi, Siemens with control gear, etc.

They usually fill a particular niche and make good money while they're at it. Not to sound like a dick, but just because you don't hear about it in your bubble, doesn't mean that they're not around.

Big corporations are fuckin' scary anyway.

there are small IT comparments in every nation, since they are necesary either way, europe is doing okay there. I'm specificly talking about big international names like oracle, IBM, apple, etc

When I was in school the most IT related things (even in ICT classes) was networking AKA what happens when you plug in the ethernet cable. Everything else was like using powerpoint, microsoft word and even photoshop/image editing or animation..

All the courses I can possibly take in any kind of school are shit, they're all "Computing" courses that teach a bit of PHP and "how to use social media", paired with graphic design stuff like "making digital assets".

I can't imagine doing much except making shitty wordpress sites, after 3 years of learning? kinda sad.

Europe has huge industrial high-tech companies though, just take a look at Germany alone: Bosch, Siemens and SAP are leading examples. There's a huge amount of talent within those companies.

I starting to wonder if a stronger IT lobby would ultimately benefit europe. I know they are corrupt as fuck bujt ast least they know what they are doing. Neuland

The big nations in the EU; France, Germany, the UK all have absolutely garbage internet connectivity, making it difficult for people to learn IT.
Look at places like Sweden that have had broadband for decades you'll see a lot of successful IT companies per capita.

It gets even more depressing when you hear that, for example, the German politicians in the 80s wanted to lay down fiber cables across the country, but this was cancelled in favor of cable TV.

ARM

Doesn'tm bosch make drills and stuff? I'd say thats more mechanics than tech. I mean like actually programming or electronics

thats 1 so far

>The big nations in the EU; France, Germany, the UK all have absolutely garbage internet connectivity, making it difficult for people to learn IT.
your redneck uncle told you that ?
is this the absolute state of ameriogres culture about foreign countries ?
90%+ of cities in FR have 100mbps+ FTTH, probably the same for DE/UK
Even then 95%+ of countrysides have access to broadband LTE/ADSL internet in any case

And even then, you don't need broadband to "learn IT" lmao whatever that means

I've read retarded posts on Jow Forums but damn

>100mpbs in big cities
>fast
the absolute state of europoors. You know even China has 1 Gig?

Also try have fun waiting 20 minutes for a Linux distro to download

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America is even worse with internet connectivity.
Bragging about LTE/ADSL is ridiculous.
Having 100mbps+ is not anything to brag about either when the prices are as ridiculous as they are.

I'm saying this as someone who grew up in a rare EU country with developed internet.

>90%+ of cities in FR have 100mbps, probably the same for DE/UK
I'd guess, having lived in both (DE/UK), 90% is probably an exaggeration, its 'uneven' - but Burgers suggesting anyone else's infrastructure is fucked, that takes some balls. G'luck with persuading Comcast et al to crack with their investment programs. I'd take my chances in Yurope than be subject to Burger fucked up divvied-up monoply providers, any day of the week.

Sensors, appliances, custom-designed machinery, just naming shit from the top of my head. A lot of the things they produce require low level programming to function.

I honestly hate these US/Euro pissing contests, man. They're being initiated from both sides.

I mean ultimately everything does. But I guarantee they outsourced that to the chinks

You have a point there, intellectual theft is a rising problem for a lot of western companies nowadays.

how's your 250GB monthly limit?

>ameriogre tries to pretend EU doesn't have its own silicon valley tier IT market because "consumer grade internet access is absolute garbage, how can you """learn IT""" with less than 80Mb/s upload speeds for muh private tracker seeding???"
>implying consumer grade internet has anything to do with business grade internet
>implying you need 1Gbps FTTH to learn CS/Whatnot

>eventually answer that yeah, every fucking major city in France and probably €zone Europe has at least FTTH but most likely ADSL or at least LTE
>HURR DURR U BRAGGIN ?
>HE BRAGS
>HURR HE PROUD???? STOP BRAGS LOL LE CHINA HAS LE BETTER
>HE BRAGS EUROPOOR LMAO

I wonder what the average IQ on Jow Forums is.

>I'm saying this as someone who grew up in a rare EU country with developed internet.
this tops the cake, 20€/month for 100Mbps FTTH is "expensive" but I'm the europoor np

Wanna go to war one last time, lads?

America, Canada, Japan, South Korea, and Australia attack the Chinese east coast, while the EU comes marching in from the west, kek.

>I wonder what the average IQ on Jow Forums is.
Definitely below 100 with all the Reddit-tier mongoloids on here.

doesn't being white at least guarantee above 95?

>averages are minimums
thought so

In big french cities, you can have 500 Mbits to 1 Gbps.

I rest my case.

NL here, 500 symmetrical for about 50EUR, I could get 1Gbps for around 75, but it's not like I'm running a fucking server farm in my house.

in america only what you produce is consumer stuff, not rlly relevant. here we dont waste our high iqs on that we do relevant stuff like goverment level :)

One thing I think is just the existence of Silicon Valley. Startup hubs do actually work, everything in the Valley is geared to get you started ASAP often with no upfront cost for lawyers etc. and you pay later, it's where the investors are, there are people who have walked the same path and that can help you. There are of course some startups from Stockholm like Spotify, but it's not really the same.

Yeah I've seen Orange 1Gbps but it's like 75€/mo, I have no use for that

Are fucking joking? In europe every single goverment does pretty much everything with paper or email. The only large scale IT revamp project was Limux and that was killed a few months ago

People tend to forget that Silicon Valley employs huge numbers of Europeans and Asians too.

he threw a damn smiley in there what did you expect

mm ok, if i was you i wouldnt talk :D showing ignorance

I unironically worked at Facebook for a few months 6 years ago, can confirm.

where do they pay taxes and where are they doing their buisness?

That differs per country. Most allow you to pay your taxes in the US.

Taxes too high, they punish successful companies and talent. Oh but they have "free" healthcare so that's fine.

Unironically based.

Dude, you're embarrassing yourself. Just stop.

agreed

The average west euro has higher internet accessibility than NA

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>drills
Car parts, home appliances, automotive diagnostics, software development, and shit, a lot more diverse. Bosch is actually huge and owns a lot more than that, it's just that for some reason they seem to prefer keeping the brands of their child companies.
I'm not kidding, name one european company with some degree of success, and chances are Bosch already bought them.

TAX THEM AT 70% SO TRANNIES CAN HAVE FREE HRT

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I'm living in a big village/ small town and I have the option of 500mbit. But I know friends of mine that like in a 100k+ city and get 16mbit, other friends 2 streets down can get 1gbit
EU woke up just recently, Germany alone invests 3 billion into AI-research

Well, we are living in the 4th Reich after all. (;

>3 Billion
For an economic powerhouse like the EU that is fucking nothing.

It's a start, obviously more funds will be made available once promising results are achieved.

Germany has absolutely shit infrastructure.
t. Austrian that keeps laughing his ass off at how absolutely cucked Germany is by Telekom

The US spends as much tax money per capita on healthcare as Germany, Sweden, etc.
I remember a story about an American hospital charging $100 for a pair of throwaway gloves that go for $10 for a box of a hundred on eBay, so Americans need to throw a bunch of extra money on top of that.

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Their roads, hospitals, and education are acceptable. Their telecom infra is a joke indeed lol.

There are actually quite a few but a lot of them have been bought by other tech giants located in China or the US. The only real competition in tech is between Tencent, Amazon, Google, Facebook and maybe Apple while other tech companies exists mainly to get bought by one of these companies for whatever shareholders they have to make quick profits.
weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/meet-europe-top-tech-titans/
techcrunch.com/2013/01/29/report-2277-private-tech-companies-were-acquired-for-over-46-8b-in-2012-google-and-facebook-were-most-active-acquirers/?guccounter=1

>You know even China has 1 Gig?
You mean small portion of China has access to 1 Gig.

Europe has been more focused providing affordable internet for everyone, even those living in more rural areas.
cor.europa.eu/en/news/Pages/High-speed-broadband.aspx

>europe
>european union flag .jpeg

fucking idiot. Kys.

Look a little bit closer frendo

I'm French but I'm in Austria right now
Since I live high on the mountain I had to subscribe a Wertkarte 3 + LTE Modem but the internet offers here aren't great here either ngl

Their roads recently have started degrading heavily and instead of solving that problem, they want to privatize them. Can you imagine how straight up evil you have to be to think about doing that?

Their schools are even shittier than ours and that's saying something.

Hospitals probably yeah, considering doctors are pretty well payed.

>like the EU
i said germany alone, the EU together will invest 20 billion.

They are shit countryside and even more so in the mountains, but they are acceptable in the cities.
That's why I'm laughing my ass off though: Germany has absolutely zero reason to be worse than us at this.

I'm Dutch and I travel to Germany maybe about 5 times a year, I have noticed a lot of roadworks going on that take fucking forever, or they just section part of it off.

Protip: Don't travel through Germany by train either, Deutsche Bahn is one massive headache.

Last time I drove through Poland their highways have improved significantly lol.

Privatized roads are pretty normal. You offer bids with minimum requirements like construction quality or a maintenance clause and companies compete, get the contract for anywhere between a few years to decades and they are responsible of managing it. Government may allow construction of toll boots so that most of the cost is played by the actual people that drive on that road and not by all of the nation taxpayers.
Have you seriously never heard of this? Other EU countries have been doing it for decades...

Any big players in Europe are big players in their own countries and nowhere else

ITT: Americans trying to justify their shit country by shitting on others like they usually do.

Then they aren't bit players you massive fucking tards

Hasn't the US been doing this for a long time, or does it happen on a state/federal level?

Consumer IT is a scam and we're not falling for it, though we have a decent business IT sector.

It's a bit generalized but here's this
youtu.be/zSU5MFPn6Zkù
tl;dw capitalism

Applel or MS alon could probably carry a nation the size of Switzerland economically alone

They unironically plan to sell their machine sector to the chinx

>Economic changes are caused by capitalism
No shit

>Why is Europe a fucking joke in IT? They have maybe 3 players in the tech market and most of them are dinosaurs. I mean even china manages to compete, what are they doing wrong?
Come back when your dick is bigger than a maggot climbing into a walnut, sunny boy. It takes balls to post on Jow Forums and get taken seriously, huge big hairy swingin balls that have slapped a few women on the ass at high speed.

Nice try son but youre out of your depth and otta your league

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Don't worry I'm not falling for the bait, I'm just replying to express my joy in knowing that the Zoomers are based

Depends on state and federal. Most interstate/federal roads are all public funded and managed, but there's apparently a general mini crisis going on with some of the maintenance of most infrastructure.
I've seem burgers poking fun at yuros for having toll boots and non free roads and simultaneously making fun of paying for """free healthcare"""" and then yuros doing the opposite.
Turns out people don't really have strong opinions on one thing or the other, they just see that the place they wee born does it one way and they cheer for it and shit on others, no question asked.

lol amerimutts and their somalian internet speeds

BASED

>cookie law
>GDPR
It's because of the EU itself and its regulations.
People in charge literally have no clue what the fuck they are doing and how tech actually works. Why would anyone want to start or keep their tech company in that environment?
All EU bureaucrats want is to maintain a position of authority. Doesn't matter how petty it is.
>Oh you use a browser functionality, that has existed for fucking ever and that you could easily opt out if you just opened your browser settings?
>Better force everyone to show the same annoying popup to every visitor, telling them, that you use a basic functionality of web browsers.
And with GDPR. How the fuck is some tiny new business with 1-3 people supposed to comply with that shit?
I hate the EU so goddamn much.

>I hate the EU so goddamn much.
lol fascist, miss Hitler much ? =)))

>Why is Europe a fucking joke in IT?
>What turned Europe into third world technologists?

is this the new meme of the week?

By not datamining and selling user data.

Fucking this. How are you Ameriboos okay with this shit? It's clear the world is becoming more and more authoritarian, and when the time comes we'll all be in deep shit.

Enjoy your freedom while it still lasts, it could be gone within our generation. People are so naive.

Maybe a little bit off-topic, but there's this massive shitstorm going on on Reddit at the moment because a large Chinese company is investing in the platform, and the users fear censorship. This trend could continue on other websites as well.

The average burger is just Jewish cattle - bred and trained to live and die for their masters.

Why would a Chinese firm invest in a platform that isn't even available in China?

>implying EU is any better

Returning to original question.
Post soviet countries got their businesses bought out and dismantled.
One of leading engineers in Poland designed firs chip for home use computers around 1979.
His work got destroyed by jealus officals, so he switched to farming pigs.
Then 20 years after collapse of Soviet Union he revolutionized production of graphene on industrial scale, his work got sabotaged, most likely by Americans/Israeli/Chinks and his hi-tech company got salvaged for parts by politicians.
After that he decided to stick to pigs while saying "at least they are always in demand and everyone leaves me alone".

t. Jakuslaw Miroslaw

>Europe has no tech companies
>ASML, NXP, Philips, Bosch, Siemens, Nokia Corporation and HMD, Wiko, Wileyfox, SAP, Spotify, Adyen (online payment system), several major game studios
I have to admit the EU does make it less attractive for tech companies to remain within the EU. It also doesn't help a lot of start-ups end up getting bought up by well established Western and Eastern players.

ARM, SAP, Bosch, Siemens

Just because EU tech isn't focused on consumer shitware, doesnt mean it doesn't exist.
China gets all their machines for manufacturing from germany for example.